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Old 09-17-2014, 10:37 PM   #1
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Question Off-road x-pipe without tune?

Hey guys. My off-road x-pipe should be here tomorrow and I'm wondering if I can go ahead and install it without updated Bama tunes. I'm still waiting on new tunes for the x-pipe. I know I'll get a check engine light, but will anything else be affected? From what I've read, the tunes for an off-road x-pipe only turn off the rear O2's so as to not get the check engine light. Other than that, no difference. Any advice or suggestions?
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Short term it shouldn't effect it, but i wouldn't simply for ease of mind. If you do it do it right ya'know get the tune clear the codes and have fun...

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Tomorrow will be my only time to do the install for a week. Starting Friday night, I work 7 nights straight.
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Well the tune is on its way right? If so I'd say go for it then log up when it comes in

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They said the engine will run lean. +1 for short term. NO if it's for a long time

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I ordered the new tunes on Friday. Just waiting for the email. I'll probably go ahead and install the x. I'm too impatient not to lol.

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Just install it you'll be fine for he day or 2 it takes for the tune to come
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The car is probably not going to be happy. The rear o2s are going to be measuring a LOT more than they are used to seeing (remember, they think the cats are there) and will wreak havoc on your fueling trying to figure it out.

The performance gains will be marginal at best until both the fuel adjustments and cam timing adjustments are made for the cats being gone... personally i wouldnt bother. I'd prefer to keep my motor safe and actually reap the full potential of the part when the new tune comes in. It takes all of 30 minutes to swap anyways.
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I'll probably call Bama and see if they can get them to me today. Hell, it's been almost a week.

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I could be wrong, every car i've ever owned has been tuned for catless, and i'm fairly certain the rear 02 sensor is just there to measure catalyst efficiency (primary O2s are used for AFR). That being said, there's still just no telling what the car will do if it thinks the catalyst is bad and starts trying to compensate something.
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Hey guys. My off-road x-pipe should be here tomorrow and I'm wondering if I can go ahead and install it without updated Bama tunes. I'm still waiting on new tunes for the x-pipe. I know I'll get a check engine light, but will anything else be affected? From what I've read, the tunes for an off-road x-pipe only turn off the rear O2's so as to not get the check engine light. Other than that, no difference. Any advice or suggestions?
I would recommend waiting for the tune. However, you could get away with a few days.

Let me speed this up a bit for you, though! Shoot me a PM with the order number included. I'll make sure the new tunes are emailed over to you today so that you can install your X-Pipe and not have any issues! You're going to love the added sound and power you get from the X-pipe.

Keep up the great work with your build! I hope this helps.

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Update: got off the phone with Bama just a bit ago. He said my order had been assigned to a specialist and I should have them today. He also said I'd be fine to run the current 93R tune and I would just get a check engine light. He said it won't hurt the engine to run like that. Well, just checked my email and there were my tunes! They were emailed while I was on the phone lol. Now I'm excited! C'mon usps!

Dan, thank you but looks like I'm good to go!

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The car is probably not going to be happy. The rear o2s are going to be measuring a LOT more than they are used to seeing (remember, they think the cats are there) and will wreak havoc on your fueling trying to figure it out.

The performance gains will be marginal at best until both the fuel adjustments and cam timing adjustments are made for the cats being gone... personally i wouldnt bother. I'd prefer to keep my motor safe and actually reap the full potential of the part when the new tune comes in. It takes all of 30 minutes to swap anyways.
30 minutes to swap the x-pipe? Any suggestions to make the swap go smoothly?

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Jack stands and air tools lol? That's what it took on my GT, i would assume the V6 would be just as easy, if not easier. Even with hand tools its not bad, 4 bolts to the OPAs, then 3 at each header. I have an H-pipe, and lining the middle part up got a little tricky, luckily something you wont need to do with an X.
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30 minutes to swap the x-pipe? Any suggestions to make the swap go smoothly?

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1. Remove all 4 O2 sensor plugs (let the car cool first as the cats and pipe will be very hot)

2. Support the xpipe with a jack or stand

3. Unbolt the collector (2 x 17mm iirc)

4. Unbolt the midpipe clamps (4 x 15mm iirc)

5. Pull out the stock pipe

6. Put the O2 sensors in the same locations on your new x-pipe

7. Repeat the steps in reverse, don't forget to plug in the O2's at the end


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I see you have the 3 piece BBK x, you'll want to loosely connect the collectors so it can still rotate. Then connect the x portion to the over axle pipes with the clamps loosely in place. Then connect the lead pipes to the x and tighten everything down. Be wary of ground clearance, don't want to be scraping it.
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1 thing i can say, the metal will be hot and expanded, so it may almost be easier to just hop in there and get the o2s out. If you cant, a little PB blaster goes a long way.

Also, if you've never done o2s before, you'll really want an o2 socket, makes life easier. There are different sizes, so you'll want to check first.

Lastly, when threading them back in, spin it back wards a bunch of times, so that as you thread it in, the wires unwind. If you just try to tighten it as it is, there will be tension on the wires from twisting, which could either damage them, or back the o2 sensor out.
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Got it installed. Bout 2 hours with hand tools and by myself. Tuning now. Thanks for all the help guys!

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Let us know how you like it bro!! Glad the install went well

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Of course there would be an issue. Getting the tunes resent.

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Back in business! I'll update once I fire her up!
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Holy hell!!! What a difference in sound! Now she sounds like a performance machine!!! I let the car run for a bit now gonna let everythong cool back down and double check all fasteners. Sounds leak free so far.

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Holy hell!!! What a difference in sound! Now she sounds like a performance machine!!! I let the car run for a bit now gonna let everythong cool back down and double check all fasteners. Sounds leak free so far.
Glad to hear you're in good shape! How are you enjoying the tune so far?

Let me know if I can be of any assistance moving forward! Anytime you have a question about your Bama tune feel free to hit them up directly.

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Glad to hear you're in good shape! How are you enjoying the tune so far?

Let me know if I can be of any assistance moving forward! Anytime you have a question about your Bama tune feel free to hit them up directly.

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Thanks, Dan! I've only put about 20 miles on it so far. Seems I've lost a bit down low due to the x-pipe but that's ok. Until now, this has been one of the more quiet Mustangs I've owned. She's loud now though! A bit raspy at higher rpm, but sounds really unique frome idle to around 3000. Cold startup sounds wicked. Overall, I'm a happy camper! I'll get some miles on her and then let her eat. I haven't ran a car at the track since 2010, so I'm itching to get this one out there to see what number I can lay down. Might go in a couple weeks.

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Thanks, Dan! I've only put about 20 miles on it so far. Seems I've lost a bit down low due to the x-pipe but that's ok. Until now, this has been one of the more quiet Mustangs I've owned. She's loud now though! A bit raspy at higher rpm, but sounds really unique frome idle to around 3000. Cold startup sounds wicked. Overall, I'm a happy camper! I'll get some miles on her and then let her eat. I haven't ran a car at the track since 2010, so I'm itching to get this one out there to see what number I can lay down. Might go in a couple weeks.
Sounds great! Let us know if we can be of any assistance. We're here to help!

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