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Old 09-29-2014, 09:23 AM   #1
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2011-2014 mustang v6 fake 305 hp

I saw an article and a few videos about the 11-14 mustang v6 advertised with 305hp but the dyno results shows around 250hp. Can someone explain to me why? Isn't that false advertisement?


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It's 305hp at the crank, approximately 250-270 at the wheels. You've got to factor in drivetrain loss (auto or manual) as well as local weather/altitude conditions. It can also change from dyno to dyno.
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Rwhp not engine hp is what you are referring to. 305 is at the engine and 275 or whatnot is power at the rear wheels


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So in reality a mustang v6 or even say an 08 350z isn't on the 300 hp range. Kind off disappointing...


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It's 305hp at the crank, approximately 250-270 at the wheels. You've got to factor in drivetrain loss (auto or manual) as well as local weather/altitude conditions. It can also change from dyno to dyno.

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they advertise as the hp from the crank. but you will loose power as it reaches to the back tires. which is why some people post RWHP (rear wheel horse power) on this forum. as stated
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So in reality a mustang v6 or even say an 08 350z isn't on the 300 hp range. Kind off disappointing...


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correct. neither is in the 300 range but you can surely get it in that range
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Not really disappointing when you think about where N/A V6s were at prior to this. And horsepower at the motor is what ALL manufacturers rate their vehicles on, meaning a lot of those 300-range hp cars are actually mid to high 200.
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It's 305hp at the crank, approximately 250-270 at the wheels. You've got to factor in drivetrain loss (auto or manual) as well as local weather/altitude conditions. It can also change from dyno to dyno.

By making the car lighter (replacing parts with aluminum or carbon fiber) will it help raise the rwhp? Or do you have to make major mods like making the engine breathe better or use force induction?


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By making the car lighter (replacing parts with aluminum or carbon fiber) will it help raise the rwhp? Or do you have to make major mods like making the engine breathe better or use force induction?


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Yes making a car lighter gives a car more horses. 🙊😋
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By making the car lighter (replacing parts with aluminum or carbon fiber) will it help raise the rwhp? Or do you have to make major mods like making the engine breathe better or use force induction?


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OP,

Weight reduction does not make the car produce more power, but it does make the car move faster since lighter weight.
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Yes making a car lighter gives a car more horses. 🙊😋

Lol sorry I just thought about it.


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So in reality a mustang v6 or even say an 08 350z isn't on the 300 hp range. Kind off disappointing...


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Well no. The Mustang V6 is in the 300hp-range. The Cyclone V6 makes over 300 peak horsepower. Those 305 horsepower are not all transferred through the wheels because of drivetrain loss. So both the Mustang and 350Z are in the 300hp club.

And engine horsepower isn't constant either. The engine doesn't make 305 horsepower at idle - as a side note.
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If you think this is "disapointing", it's good you did not live and own musclecars that existed in the 80's and 90's!

Even the crank rated HP of the Mustang's current V6 tops the HP rating of the V8's of the 60's and 70's.
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If you think this is "disapointing", it's good you did not live and own musclecars that existed in the 80's and 90's!

Even the crank rated HP of the Mustang's current V6 tops the HP rating of the V8's of the 60's and 70's.
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If you think this is "disapointing", it's good you did not live and own musclecars that existed in the 80's and 90's!

Even the crank rated HP of the Mustang's current V6 tops the HP rating of the V8's of the 60's and 70's.
Not true, a good amount were rated at more than 305 back in the mid to late 60's. Mainly big blocks though.
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with twice the displacement lol. Hell, the original Fox 5.0 made all of 225 at the crank... crazy how far we've come, there's 4 cylinders nearly making that from the factory all motor now.
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Not true, a good amount were rated at more than 305 back in the mid to late 60's. Mainly big blocks though.

Oh but it is true. In the 60's and 70's HP was rated at SAE Gross. Today the ratings are SAE Net at the crank. Net is roughly 80% of Gross. Therefore a 67 Mustang 390 V8 rated back then at 320 HP would be rated 256 HP today. Reversing the situation our 3.7s would be rated 385 HP by 60s/70s standards. Now that little 256 HP 390 had tons more torque, yet only running high 14s in a quarter mile. There was a history of under rating HP figures for insurance purposes but not by a lot in most cases.


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The engine makes 305 horsepower. But think.... The transmission, driveshaft, and rear gears still need something to turn them. It takes power for that. So you lose a bit of your power through that before it actually gets to the pavement.


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so a number on paper makes your car feel not as fun?

Also to clarify less weight does not change HP but it does make it faster...

I will say the power/performance/mpg of these engines is great. They also make a decent sound and seem to be rather reliable. The differance between 2k rpm and 4k when the TIVOT starts kicking into POWER!!! is great use of technology and a hoot whenever you get on it. Every time I use 3rd to pass someone I am amazed at what Ford has done with these cars.
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That's interesting midnight! So can we easilly assume that the 3.7 can easily outrun a stock 289 in the 60s? :p

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with twice the displacement lol. Hell, the original Fox 5.0 made all of 225 at the crank... crazy how far we've come, there's 4 cylinders nearly making that from the factory all motor now.
The 302ci in an original 1979 Fox body didn't put out but 140hp. It didn't get to 225hp until 1987. That number was later dropped in 1989 to 205hp until the advent of the 1993 Cobra with a whopping 235hp. Woohoo!
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So in reality a mustang v6 or even say an 08 350z isn't on the 300 hp range. Kind off disappointing...


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None of the HP #'s you see on a manufacturers page, Are to the wheels... It's always the amount of power the ENGINE produces.
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None of the HP #'s you see on a manufacturers page, Are at the crank... It's always the amount of power the ENGINE produces.

To avoid confusion, i think you mean at the wheels. "At the crank" = engine HP, "At the wheels," obviously is whp after drivetrain loss.
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The 302ci in an original 1979 Fox body didn't put out but 140hp. It didn't get to 225hp until 1987. That number was later dropped in 1989 to 205hp until the advent of the 1993 Cobra with a whopping 235hp. Woohoo!
Engine horsepower has come a long way in recent years. 305 hp from a base model V6 Mustang is pretty cool compared to some of those Mustangs in the past. Let's not forget the couple of years (80-81?) the GT was saddled with a pathetic 4.2 liter V8 that was way down on power (120 hp IIRC) and a gas hog.

My first Mustang was a '94 Mustang Cobra rated at 240 hp. Since it was heavier that the previous Cobra, it was actually a little slower in straight line speed.
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To avoid confusion, i think you mean at the wheels. "At the crank" = engine HP, "At the wheels," obviously is whp after drivetrain loss.
Correct, My apologies. Post corrected to reflect what I originally meant.
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My first Mustang was a '94 Mustang Cobra rated at 240 hp. Since it was heavier that the previous Cobra, it was actually a little slower in straight line speed.
My second 1966 coupe had a 271hp 289ci (4.7L). At just under 2,800lbs and 3.50 gears, it was quite a little screamer. Starting in 1974 with the gas crunch and tree huggers gone mad, horsepower went out the window. I'm so glad that it has returned with a vengence.
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My second 1966 coupe had a 271hp 289ci (4.7L). At just under 2,800lbs and 3.50 gears, it was quite a little screamer. Starting in 1974 with the gas crunch and tree huggers gone mad, horsepower went out the window. I'm so glad that it has returned with a vengence.
No imagine if we weren't saddled down with emissions regs.
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No imagine if we weren't saddled down with emissions regs.

Yeah, look at the hp they get out of a 1.6L V6 in a F1 car. Unbelievable!
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That's interesting midnight! So can we easilly assume that the 3.7 can easily outrun a stock 289 in the 60s? :p

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Yes including the 271 HP HIPO. Quicker than a stock Boss 302, Boss 429 and the 390 I mentioned. The Torque was where all the fun was. They are stock for stock in the quarter as quick as The 428 Cobra Jet. 1/8 mile I'm going to guess all those cars were quicker because of the torque.

As comparison the stock 65 289 2 barrel ran 17 seconds or so.


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Doesn't the Boss 429 run 11s?


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Doesn't the Boss 429 run 11s?


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That's what it's rated at. But I know for a fact it is one of the most under rated cars ford ever produced


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Ford Boss 429 engine

It was designed for Nascar Racing but was never used due to Ford pulling out. It was put in Mustangs but made the Mustangs so front heavy it worked against the performance.
They sure bring a lot of $$$$$ if you can find one.
I forget the name of the company but they got license from Ford to manufacture the Boss 429 engines. I'll try to find out the name of the company when I go to Breakfast with my Street Rod friends Saturday morning.
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The 351 engines always did work the all around best in Mustangs and Comets back in those days for all around performance. The were much lighter and still produced a good amount of power.
That was the good old days when Tires, Brakes, etc. just plain sucked. But it was really fun for us Car people back then.
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