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Old 10-06-2014, 05:08 PM   #36
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May I ask why you didn't run the 89 Bama vs the 89 MPT? I get MPT wouldn't give you a new free tune (not that I agree or support that), but if you have Bama tunes for life, why not use theirs? Neither are the best, but they would be apples to apples.

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Sorry for chiming in late guys. I should add a few things about my MPT 87 tune here.

1) I had 87 octane fuel in my tank the day I loaded this tune. Even though it was a blast to drive (as compared to Bama tune I had that time), it pinged like a betch!! I switched to 91 fuel a few days later, and this pinging problem was solved more the most (still pinged while going up hill and under light acceleration/load). Could it be possible that '87' tune had timing/other performance parameters notched up to match 91 or higher octane? Maybe it was a generic high performance tune? I had to do a datalog to get this issue fixed. My only tune-needed mod is CAI. It's airraid, but still.

- I had used Bama's various tunes (including hybrid) designed to run with 87 fuel with no pinging/knocking issues what so ever. They didn't feel as aggressive at MPT

2) Some of you are wondering if stock tune on 93 fuel is going to feel any better than a MPT/Bama tune on 87 and 91 fuel. I believe we could see a top end gain, but now much 'under the curve' or comparatively better 'throttle response' for the matter. Reason being as Volt pointed out, an aftermarket tune will have a higher threshold to add timing (or for the matter higher cam timing all ready incorporated into it) and different cam tables. However give her 100 octane fuel, and hopefully you will be surprised.

I have run stock tune on 91 fuel.. it was super sluggish, even my old 87 bama felt better.
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May I ask why you didn't run the 89 Bama vs the 89 MPT? I get MPT wouldn't give you a new free tune (not that I agree or support that), but if you have Bama tunes for life, why not use theirs? Neither are the best, but they would be apples to apples.

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If it helps, I can say from my experience that the 87 MPT tune would out perform 87 Bama tunes at all levels. It just doesn't feel like your tune designed to run lower octane fuel. Granted it had lot of pinging in it, but it pulled pretty damn hard across rpms when I stepped on it. I can imagine similar result if I were to compare 89 tunes from respective companies.
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It doesn't lol. It would have been cool to see on that dyno day! Are you going back anytime soon?

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OP what kind of tranny do you have Auto or Manual?
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How were you diagnosing the part throttle knock? Were you actively monitoring it, or is it something you think you felt?
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It doesn't lol. It would have been cool to see on that dyno day! Are you going back anytime soon?

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Lol not anytime soon.. it's pricy as **** lol. My next dyno date would be next year when I go FI haha

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How were you diagnosing the part throttle knock? Were you actively monitoring it, or is it something you think you felt?
Are you referring to pinging I had? I could hear it even it under light acceleration, and much more pronounced while uphill if i had a passenger. This is 87 tune on 87 and 91 fuel.

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This got me wondering....why dyno in 3rd? also how fast did they end up taking it to?
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This got me wondering....why dyno in 3rd? also how fast did they end up taking it to?
It was dyno'd in 4th gear, numbers would have been higher if it was 3rd. He revd it to each tune's rev limiter. Bama let go at 6350ish, stock around 5800 and MPT went up to 7000k.

Afr was calculated from rear exhaust. Bama read 13.2 I guess, mpt 12.7, stock 12.88, and stock after fuse 47 pull 13.5-8

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If it was dyno'ed in 3rd numbers would be lower.
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It was dyno'd in 4th gear, numbers would have been higher if it was 3rd. He revd it to each tune's rev limiter. Bama let go at 6350ish, stock around 5800 and MPT went up to 7000k.

Afr was calculated from rear exhaust. Bama read 13.2 I guess, mpt 12.7, stock 12.88, and stock after fuse 47 pull 13.5-8

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If you did dyno in 4th, it was likely the speed limiter you were hitting, not the rev limiter.
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It was dyno'd in 4th gear, numbers would have been higher if it was 3rd. He revd it to each tune's rev limiter. Bama let go at 6350ish, stock around 5800 and MPT went up to 7000k.

Afr was calculated from rear exhaust. Bama read 13.2 I guess, mpt 12.7, stock 12.88, and stock after fuse 47 pull 13.5-8

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Oh I ment MPH fast...4th gear pull to redline would take you to what, 120 mph? 9havnt taken mine past 100 due to Im afraid of blowing my drive shaft)
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If it was dyno'ed in 3rd numbers would be lower.
Very true, so it was done in 4th giving you LESS power than in 5th yet wouldn't 5th be the most accurate gear seeing as it's a 1:1 ratio?
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It was dyno'd in 4th gear, numbers would have been higher if it was 3rd. He revd it to each tune's rev limiter. Bama let go at 6350ish, stock around 5800 and MPT went up to 7000k.

Afr was calculated from rear exhaust. Bama read 13.2 I guess, mpt 12.7, stock 12.88, and stock after fuse 47 pull 13.5-8

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The stock 2014 manual V6 hits limiter around 6800 to 7000RPM (probably 7000, as I try to avoid repeating it).
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The stock 2014 manual V6 hits limiter around 6800 to 7000RPM (probably 7000, as I try to avoid repeating it).
I'm pretry sure my stock tune (before and after fuse 47 pull) didn't go past 5850. You can look at the graphs to get a better idea I guess.





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Oh I ment MPH fast...4th gear pull to redline would take you to what, 120 mph? 9havnt taken mine past 100 due to Im afraid of blowing my drive shaft)


Very true, so it was done in 4th giving you LESS power than in 5th yet wouldn't 5th be the most accurate gear seeing as it's a 1:1 ratio?
I asked my dyno guy why isn't he doing it in 3rd gear, since most tuners would like you to redline your car in 3rd year to get a datalog. He goes you will read higher numbers in 3rd gear, and 4th gear has 1:1 ratio. I have no clue if he was right or not.

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I'm pretry sure my stock tune (before and after fuse 47 pull) didn't go past 5850. You can look at the graphs to get a better idea I guess.

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Is that in a 2014?
I've hit the rev limiter on stock tune a few times while testing or data logging, and it definitely was around the 7000 RPM area.


EDIT: Quick check of datalogs and even the Bama 87S and 87P tunes hit the 7000 rpm mark. Your results are most likely as Livewire003 stated, not rev limited and instead limited by mph.
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Is that in a 2014?
I've hit the rev limiter on stock tune a few times while testing or data logging, and it definitely was around the 7000 RPM area.


EDIT: Quick check of datalogs and even the Bama 87S and 87P tunes hit the 7000 rpm mark. Your results are most likely as Livewire003 stated, not rev limited and instead limited by mph.
Yeah it's a 2014. I have dyno files, let me load em up again and see how much mph was each tune when it stopped revving.

Ps: if my stock tune reached 112mph limiter at 5850, BAMA tune at 6350 and MPT at 7000, does it mean stock tune was fastest to reach 112?!

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You're correct, it did reach 112mph when it stopped pulling. However, my mpt tune shows it reached 137mph?!

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MPT and Bama tunes weren't using the stock speed limiter.
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Yep that's what I figured.

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You're correct, it did reach 112mph when it stopped pulling. However, my mpt tune shows it reached 137mph?!

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The bone stock V6 reaches peak HP at 6500rpm, so the peak number you obtained in 4th gear at 5850rpm with mph limiter did not reflect how much power a stock tune was capable of. Prior to hitting mph limiter, the stock tune was pulling more HP than tuned versions. After that, who knows. Sorry. A better test result would have been obtained in 3rd gear.
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I asked my dyno guy why isn't he doing it in 3rd gear, since most tuners would like you to redline your car in 3rd year to get a datalog. He goes you will read higher numbers in 3rd gear, and 4th gear has 1:1 ratio. I have no clue if he was right or not.

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Most tuners just ask for 3rd gear logs because they're assuming you're getting them on the street or drag strip. My 5th gear tops out at 180 mph with 3.31 gears, and i can imagine a 2.73 geared v6 would never even touch the top of 5th. The load is obviously higher, and the longer time gives more breakpoints (ie: data from which to tune) with higher gears, but 3rd will often suffice. Since it is not a 1:1 drive with the transmission however, it will skew numbers. most transmissions have a 1:1 at 4th, but ours happens to be 5th. I've often dynod mine in 4th though, no sense in spinning the car almost 200 mph on a dyno.
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Most tuners just ask for 3rd gear logs because they're assuming you're getting them on the street or drag strip. My 5th gear tops out at 180 mph with 3.31 gears, and i can imagine a 2.73 geared v6 would never even touch the top of 5th. The load is obviously higher, and the longer time gives more breakpoints (ie: data from which to tune) with higher gears, but 3rd will often suffice. Since it is not a 1:1 drive with the transmission however, it will skew numbers. most transmissions have a 1:1 at 4th, but ours happens to be 5th. I've often dynod mine in 4th though, no sense in spinning the car almost 200 mph on a dyno.
Thats what i thought...very strange we have a 1:1 in 5th and not 4th. Thats dangerous though to be dynoing your car at that speed. Bazinga, do you have the stock DS?
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Thats what i thought...very strange we have a 1:1 in 5th and not 4th. Thats dangerous though to be dynoing your car at that speed. Bazinga, do you have the stock DS?

Yes, but i have a 5.0.
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Yes, but i have a 5.0.
According to this so does the V6. They didnt change the gear ratios in the 2013-14 from the 2011-12s did they?
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I'm not quite sure what it is you're asking?
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I'm not quite sure what it is you're asking?
Oh sorry, I had just realized that i had uploaded a 2014 V6 spec sheet and i have a 2012 manual. so my statement regarding gear ratios and the 5th 1:1 may have been wrong but i ended up finding the answer from a past thread on the 2011s. So yes 11-14 V6 all have the same gear ratios.
Also that V6 and GT share the same 5th gear ratio of 1:1
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