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Old 10-24-2014, 08:29 AM   #316
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Bingo. This v6 actually puts out a pretty stout powerband when set up properly.
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You may not see a power "increase" past 6200, but as long as the HP has flatlined, i'd ride it out. This way, whenever you shift, you have a better chance of falling back into that Flat HP max, instead of the "rise" at a lower rpm to get you there. Does it make sense what i'm trying to say? It would be easier to explain if looking at a dyno graph, but i fully support a 7500 rpm shift point on this car if you have the flow mods for it.
Complete sense. I was just thinking about that. Now i really want to have BAMA write me up a tune allowing for an 8,200rpm redline! Is that something they can even do? I know they can adjust the mapping in the existing stock tune but if the stock tune doesnt have any maps for anything above 7k would that mean they would have to write an entire new map for the rpm range?
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lol they probably wouldnt give you an 8200 rpm redline, and i dont know that thats a good idea either. I've spun my GT up to 7500-7800 but the stock oil pump gears are known to shatter at high rpms (lots of stress on rotating parts) which will take a motor out with them.

Looking at a dyno, it looks like the car really isnt making power over 7500 anyways, so id say shifting at 7500 or a hair before would be sufficient on a Fully bolted car. Cars with just mild mods are probably better shifting closer to 7.

I did a full shift calculator break out in one of these threads discussing this same topic, but for the life of me i cant remember which one. I need to start cataloging this **** -_-
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For an 8,200 redline, you would need the high rpm pulse ring if you have an automatic.

I doubt BAMA can, as not many people want a redline that high.
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lol they probably wouldnt give you an 8200 rpm redline, and i dont know that thats a good idea either. I've spun my GT up to 7500-7800 but the stock oil pump gears are known to shatter at high rpms (lots of stress on rotating parts) which will take a motor out with them.

Looking at a dyno, it looks like the car really isnt making power over 7500 anyways, so id say shifting at 7500 or a hair before would be sufficient on a Fully bolted car. Cars with just mild mods are probably better shifting closer to 7.

I did a full shift calculator break out in one of these threads discussing this same topic, but for the life of me i cant remember which one. I need to start cataloging this **** -_-
Maybe its in your Subscribed threads folder or check through threads you've started?

Is 8k rpm really that much higher? oh well its just a thought....back to the old drawing board.
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It really is, and its not like 1-2 times would kill it, but if you're not making the power up there and it actually slows you down, kind of doesnt make sense.

It was someone else's thread, but maybe i can dig through there and find it real quick.
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What about if you have a manual? Is the redline just a setting at that point

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Yup, it'll just be a hard rev limit in the tune, I think theres actually some sort of throttle close enabled too though. When i got my new tune, i just kind of walked it up there in 2nd gear to see where my rev limit actually was, and theres no mistaking when you hit it, its almost like the car falls on its face.
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Yup, it'll just be a hard rev limit in the tune, I think theres actually some sort of throttle close enabled too though. When i got my new tune, i just kind of walked it up there in 2nd gear to see where my rev limit actually was, and theres no mistaking when you hit it, its almost like the car falls on its face.
Yeah. I've hit the rev limiter a few times. It's ridiculous how flat it falls.
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I don't think I want an 8200 rev limiter lol. Mines either 7 or 7200/7300 right now and that's already in the red

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I don't think I want an 8200 rev limiter lol. Mines either 7 or 7200/7300 right now and that's already in the red

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I believe mine shifts at 7k on the line of the red.

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I am curious as to what is the best redline for manual and auto and for which applications of driving ie strip or circuit is beneficial to each

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Old 10-24-2014, 10:07 AM   #328
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Really wishing i could find that shift calculator i did lol... It basically took rear gear, tire height, trans gearing into account and would basically calculate your fallback point after each shift. Using that + your dyno you could find the "optimal" place to shift to maximize area under the curve.
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Hot DAMN i remembered to book mark it! The post i used it in had all the trans gearing and everything already filled out, but its nothing a quick google search cant come up with.

Basically compare this information to your dyno and it should work pretty nicely. I remember really liking this program.
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Yeah that would be sweet to play with and optimize what mods will do what to shifting and power placement

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I wrote a script that takes the torque curve (and gear ratio, trans ratio, tire height and trap speed) as input and maximizes horsepower... but it was pretty boring because with every 3.7 curve I threw at it, it was best to shift at max rpm.

Granted, I never saw a torque curve for the 3.7 that went up to 7600 or so, and I'd like to see that.
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I wrote a script that takes the torque curve (and gear ratio, trans ratio, tire height and trap speed) as input and maximizes horsepower... but it was pretty boring because with every 3.7 curve I threw at it, it was best to shift at max rpm.

Granted, I never saw a torque curve for the 3.7 that went up to 7600 or so, and I'd like to see that.
That's a similar result i was getting, basically since the HP doesnt TANK, it just makes sense to shift at Max rpm.
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ohh my gosh I love that sound! How's cruising? I'm tempted to do a 73 mm TB and shorties to my 2013 Convertible and of course don't need a top-down headache Of course the cat's could either stay or go and perhaps I keep the stock mufflers to keep sound still down. Thoughts?
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ohh my gosh I love that sound! How's cruising? I'm tempted to do a 73 mm TB and shorties to my 2013 Convertible and of course don't need a top-down headache Of course the cat's could either stay or go and perhaps I keep the stock mufflers to keep sound still down. Thoughts?
Do 80 mm TB from a gt instead. Be a better idea, both price and performance wise.

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Agreed ^^^^

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Sounds tempting! I can get a GT TB really easily. What years GT are compatible?
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2011-2014. You would need its holes aligned (I would suggest getting it professionally dine from a machine shop) with your stock TB, get a bigger intake coupler.

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Old 10-25-2014, 12:06 AM   #341
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I think this gt tb mod Is catching on.....

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I used that calculator. It looks like shifting at 7 keeps me in the 5500 and up rpms, which is great because that's about max tq and right into max hp which is 6500 for my car. According to the calculator I could top the car out in 4th gear. Not gonna happen but the numbers It gave for gear matched to rpm equaling speed was very accurate with what I have personally recorded for my ratios. Nice find!

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I used that calculator. It looks like shifting at 7 keeps me in the 5500 and up rpms, which is great because that's about max tq and right into max hp which is 6500 for my car. According to the calculator I could top the car out in 4th gear. Not gonna happen but the numbers It gave for gear matched to rpm equaling speed was very accurate with what I have personally recorded for my ratios. Nice find!

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Thats not bad. I was just guessing when i put in 6200 max hp. honestly with this revised tune I can feel the power climbing now past 5,500 rpm. Before it would feel flat and dead up there so i would shift at 6-6200 rpm. Now i feel i can shift at 6900-7k and not lose a thing.
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Same here. I have to data log more to see if my tune needs any tweets but it feels very nice

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I think this gt tb mod Is catching on.....

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Looks like bbk 73mm TB is soon gonna be out of business :p

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Don't u think it's to much?.. or bbk would have made there's bigger.. I don't see it helping..
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Don't u think it's to much?.. or bbk would have made there's bigger.. I don't see it helping..
That's what I'm researching before I pull the trigger on mine. I don't see it "hurting", but I think it will give only comparable gains as the 73mm, just at a fraction of the cost.

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I mean if it was doing all that I'm sure bbk would have gone bigger..

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I mean if it was doing all that I'm sure bbk would have gone bigger..

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No, what I mean was they probably found that 73mm was the largest that produced gains. The 80mm will probably not give you anything more than the 73mm, but it's just ~$150 vs BBK $409. It's a matter of cost, not gains.

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