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Old 10-09-2014, 12:39 PM   #106
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Someone asked that on here and I said multiple times that they do and AM Alex said that they do , then changed to they do not. Let me try and find the thread . I was given the run around by Bama when I called to ask so my posts are a little angry

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If that's their true stance, I think it's another reason AM needs to drop Bama and partner with MPT or Steeda instead.

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I can't find the thread. May have been on the GT section, it was awhile ago and I can't find it.
I remember it distinctly because I was so surprised. How could you have it on your check list for parts before you tune but not offer tune revisions or anything for it?

Not sure if that's their true stance or whatever the case is, I just remember that. Sent them an email, may just call them... I do hate calling them though.
Sent Paul an e-mail but my e-mail has been wonky and I bet he's super busy on the 2015s.
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Last time I spoke with Bama they said they do not offer tuning or revisions for the throttle body or for the headers.. Hoping that has changed

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Same here. I sent out for new tunes when i installed my shorties headers (GB93 is installing shorties as well).

You might be thinking LT headers. that they need to tune for but shorties there is no need for a tune. Maybe the TB and definitely for the ported manifolds.

Also GB93 if you can could you get the TB on the car before you do the headers? just so you can give us feedback on how it works out before and after header install
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Same here. I sent out for new tunes when i installed my shorties headers (GB93 is installing shorties as well).

You might be thinking LT headers. that they need to tune for but shorties there is no need for a tune. Maybe the TB and definitely for the ported manifolds.
Yes I know it's a no-go on the shorty headers, in this particular case I'm talking about the throttle body

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Hopefully one of the AM guys can chime in, haven't seen them around on here for awhile though
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Just passed the 10 minute mark waiting on hold for someone at Bama to pick up.....
the e-mail I received back from them was to request a new tune, didn't answer either of my questions about headers or TB lol.
Finally someone picked up.
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"I'm calling to find out about updating my tunes for my 2012 v6 I'm adding BBK shorty headers and a BBK 73mm throttle body"
'Ok let me pull up your information really quick. Brian O'Connor, address is _______, correct?'
"yes"
'What year is your mustang?'
"2012..."
'Ok cool, 2012 GT'
"no, I have a v6..."

Well that is not the way to start a phone call... lol.
So after waiting on hold for 10 minutes, having that interesting convo, I was emailed the form to fill out ... apparently they can't do it on the phone, which was my entire reason for calling.

Bama does NOT tune for the throttle body.
If they don't tune for the throttle body or for the headers, why am I filling out a form for a new tune if it's going to be literally the same? Where is all that extra air going that's being pumped going? Am I going to run rich? If they don't tune for the engine to account for it, how can my performance increase? I have a million questions, none of which were answered....
I really do not want to run a tune that does not account for the throttle body especially. Hopefully I will have better luck with MPT....
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AM needs to partner with Steeda or MPT.
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So I go to check my e-mail to fill out the form to send it in...
Guess what's not there? no form was e-mailed to me.
Check my spam folder, maybe it's there. Nope.

It's been 10 minutes. Maybe they didn't e-mail it yet. Don't say you e-mailed me it if you didn't send it yet.......
I'm assuming I am never getting this e-mail .....

I had an awesome experience with Paul when Alex set me up with him. I have had countless bad ones with Bama employees. I e-mailed Paul to ask these questions to avoid the Bama employees. His response was to call Bama or fill out the online tune request form. Didn't answer either of my questions.
Maybe since my write-up on Bama is not getting constant activity then I am pushed to the back of the line with everyone else.....
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To help settle you a little, any and all air coming into the engine is read by the MAF, so your fueling will still be fine.

More air does not mean more power, more timing does not mean more power, but the synergy of both is what makes power. With "substantially" more airflow, i would expect to add a * or two of timing to really complete the burn process, and make the most of it. I would also think the cams could be optimized to get more in, as well as more out. That being said, these are two mods you can likely just throw on and not worry about, but i'd still be more than happy to take a look at a log for you if youd like.

The biggest thing about changing a throttle body for me would be the load scaling. Basically, at the same throttle input, you'll now have the potential to bring in much more air, which could make the throttle very twitchy. DBW systems are very neat because of the amount of control they offer over the throttle, but they're also incredibly sensitive and delicate to tune. If, however, the throttle feels fine upon installation, i wouldn't bother with them.
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To help settle you a little, any and all air coming into the engine is read by the MAF, so your fueling will still be fine.

More air does not mean more power, more timing does not mean more power, but the synergy of both is what makes power. With "substantially" more airflow, i would expect to add a * or two of timing to really complete the burn process, and make the most of it. I would also think the cams could be optimized to get more in, as well as more out. That being said, these are two mods you can likely just throw on and not worry about, but i'd still be more than happy to take a look at a log for you if youd like.

The biggest thing about changing a throttle body for me would be the load scaling. Basically, at the same throttle input, you'll now have the potential to bring in much more air, which could make the throttle very twitchy. DBW systems are very neat because of the amount of control they offer over the throttle, but they're also incredibly sensitive and delicate to tune. If, however, the throttle feels fine upon installation, i wouldn't bother with them.
Thanks volt. I'm not so much worried about damage being done to my car, rather I want the most performance possible out of the mod's.
I'm not very knowledgeable on tuning and all that, but I get what you are saying. I would like increased throttle response, but not one that is twitchy or doesn't feel smooth.
I'm sure they can be thrown on and not worried about just fine, but my view is if I'm installing them and have paid a tuner, I want that tuner to get me the literal last drop of performance possible out of it.
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Yes I know it's a no-go on the shorty headers, in this particular case I'm talking about the throttle body
Oh I know i ment that last statement for the other guy who posted...i dint link himin the quote.

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So I go to check my e-mail to fill out the form to send it in...
Guess what's not there? no form was e-mailed to me.
Check my spam folder, maybe it's there. Nope.

It's been 10 minutes. Maybe they didn't e-mail it yet. Don't say you e-mailed me it if you didn't send it yet.......
I'm assuming I am never getting this e-mail .....

I had an awesome experience with Paul when Alex set me up with him. I have had countless bad ones with Bama employees. I e-mailed Paul to ask these questions to avoid the Bama employees. His response was to call Bama or fill out the online tune request form. Didn't answer either of my questions.
Maybe since my write-up on Bama is not getting constant activity then I am pushed to the back of the line with everyone else.....
it takes time, emails are not instant...at least not all. i had to wait 20 mins for an email from my bank. sat on the phone till it appeared. waiting sucks.

and whats with this being pushed to the back of the line with everyone else?!
honestly i would have sent for the tune revision when you first bought the headers. its what i did. I bought the headers, then sent for a tune from BAMA. Tune got to me just after the headers. after that it was just a matter of loading into my tuner for download.
Now if you need to datalog for a part well then you will need to wait until after its installed like when porting intake manifolds.
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I think I'll just keep waving my MPT flag for now lol. Revisions I ask from them take 3 days MAYBE before their lead calibrator emails them back to me, stating what he changed. Not the specifics, but in general.

Yet when I asked Bama (I asked for a revision there because I'm going to use my smaller winter tires soon and I only bought 1 MPT tune), it took over a week.

Now I'm sure Bama has more customers to get to, being the larger of the two. But sometimes those tunes are pretty time sensitive. Not in my case of tires, but others of more critical parts that could cause problems.

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I think I'll just keep waving my MPT flag for now lol. Revisions I ask from them take 3 days MAYBE before their lead calibrator emails them back to me, stating what he changed. Not the specifics, but in general.

Yet when I asked Bama (I asked for a revision there because I'm going to use my smaller winter tires soon and I only bought 1 MPT tune), it took over a week.

Now I'm sure Bama has more customers to get to, being the larger of the two. But sometimes those tunes are pretty time sensitive. Not in my case of tires, but others of more critical parts that could cause problems.

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I think i will wait to go the MPT route until i'm 100% done with my car...at wich point i will send them a datalog just to clarify.
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MPT answered my email in 10 minutes guess I am just used to them lol. I'm using to being Bama being instant for me when I was doing my tuner write up. I get that emails take time but when the person says "its been sent " I'm expecting the email to be there. An hour and it's still not there. That leads me to believe it was not sent

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"I'm calling to find out about updating my tunes for my 2012 v6 I'm adding BBK shorty headers and a BBK 73mm throttle body"
'Ok let me pull up your information really quick. Brian O'Connor, address is _______, correct?'
"yes"
'What year is your mustang?'
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'Ok cool, 2012 GT'
"no, I have a v6..."
HE HAS A NAME!!!

Sorry, just have had no idea what to call ya except by your really long screen name, unless you prefer GB93? lol

Oh and get on up here for that cruise this weekend if your not going to instal the parts...shoot if we have time maybe we can all help you out...no promises as we might grab drinks afterward. None the less it will be a blast.
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HE HAS A NAME!!!

Sorry, just have had no idea what to call ya except by your really long screen name, unless you prefer GB93? lol

Oh and get on up here for that cruise this weekend if your not going to instal the parts...shoot if we have time maybe we can all help you out...no promises as we might grab drinks afterward. None the less it will be a blast.
Brian O'Connor. And he's going to school to be a cop. Fast and Furious anyone?

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Lmao and I drive a bright blue car like his skyline.... I get that a few time times a week Lmao

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Brian O'Connor. And he's going to school to be a cop. Fast and Furious anyone?

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Oh CRAP!! I just realized that!!
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Wait, your name actually is Brian O'Connor? I totally thought that was a F&F spiff lol. So tell me, what's the better TB for my V6, a Gallo73 or Gallo80?
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I think I'll just keep waving my MPT flag for now lol.

EXACTLY! MPT & done! I sent data logs to Bama's lead calibrator Paul on Monday and I'm still waiting to hear back. I'm not going to say anything and see how long it takes them to get back to me.
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Lmao yeah that's my real name
Hahaha name on the drink cup that was one of my favorite parts

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Now not to be the big d bag here but I'm really confused about why one would not tune for a larger throttle body. To me that would be like buying a CAI and not tuning for it. One is installing a larger 73 mm throttle body for more air flow and yet the computer thinks you still have the factory 68mm throttle body. I would think in order to get the most from the larger throttle body you would want the CPU to recognize you have a larger throttle body on there and yet with no tune you have a 73 mm throttle body that is gonna take in same amount of air or not much morr as the factory throttle body because the CPU thinks that's what is on there because of no new tune.

Maybe I'm missing something

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That's the same boat I'm in kona. Hopefully one of the AM guys can clarify for us.
MPT is gonna do a bunch of data logs with me to get it locked in.
Still no email from bama lol

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The CPU will see any airflow increase because of the MAF. A tune is used to fine tune the setup.

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Brian O'Connor. And he's going to school to be a cop. Fast and Furious anyone?

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That's the same boat I'm in kona. Hopefully one of the AM guys can clarify for us.
MPT is gonna do a bunch of data logs with me to get it locked in.
Still no email from bama lol

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Will my Mustang Need a Custom Tune?
Another great debate in the performance world! When you upgrade your throttle body, it is not required to recalibrate your computer with a custom tune. That being said, we highly recommend getting a custom tuner to fully utilize not only your intake mods, but all of your upgraded parts. Our Bama Tune Specialists can incorporate the larger throttle body into your tune files to ensure you get optimum performance from your upgrade. The custom tune will let your Mustang’s computer (ECU) know there is increased air flow and will correct the air/fuel ratio.
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Yes that's what it says and when I called they said no they won't incorporate it into the tune lol

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When the person I'm speaking to thinks I have a GT when theyre looking at my info and I tell them prior I have a v6... I lose hope

Why does Bama ask the year and model? They seriously don't have this written down? I'm baffled by this. He knew my address and said he brought all my info up and then had to ask. He didn't say oh 2012 correct? He just asked what year. Then said GT right. No. I'm just confused by that whole exchange. Really makes you worried this person has anything to do w your car lol

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When the person I'm speaking to thinks I have a GT when theyre looking at my info and I tell them prior I have a v6... I lose hope

Why does Bama ask the year and model? They seriously don't have this written down? I'm baffled by this. He knew my address and said he brought all my info up and then had to ask. He didn't say oh 2012 correct? He just asked what year. Then said GT right. No. I'm just confused by that whole exchange. Really makes you worried this person has anything to do w your car lol

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Now not to be the big d bag here but I'm really confused about why one would not tune for a larger throttle body. To me that would be like buying a CAI and not tuning for it. One is installing a larger 73 mm throttle body for more air flow and yet the computer thinks you still have the factory 68mm throttle body. I would think in order to get the most from the larger throttle body you would want the CPU to recognize you have a larger throttle body on there and yet with no tune you have a 73 mm throttle body that is gonna take in same amount of air or not much morr as the factory throttle body because the CPU thinks that's what is on there because of no new tune.

Maybe I'm missing something

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Maybe this is reason why majority of the reviews surrounding bigger TBs are crappy. No shieet there won't be any significant gains if you're using it on a car tuned to run stock 68mm TB.

It like putting Steeda CAI on a non-tuned and complaining its a waste of money.
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Old 10-10-2014, 01:22 AM   #138
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To help settle you a little, any and all air coming into the engine is read by the MAF, so your fueling will still be fine.

More air does not mean more power, more timing does not mean more power, but the synergy of both is what makes power. With "substantially" more airflow, i would expect to add a * or two of timing to really complete the burn process, and make the most of it. I would also think the cams could be optimized to get more in, as well as more out. That being said, these are two mods you can likely just throw on and not worry about, but i'd still be more than happy to take a look at a log for you if youd like.

The biggest thing about changing a throttle body for me would be the load scaling. Basically, at the same throttle input, you'll now have the potential to bring in much more air, which could make the throttle very twitchy. DBW systems are very neat because of the amount of control they offer over the throttle, but they're also incredibly sensitive and delicate to tune. If, however, the throttle feels fine upon installation, i wouldn't bother with them.
Hey Volt since you talked about twitching and given your background in tuning, I have a question (Paul @ Bama never gave me a specific answer when I have asked him). I am running Bama's 91R beta tune right, I have had few revisions done to it regarding twitchy throttle and pinging by use of datalogs. It still hasn't solved my problem. My car has still has a twitchy/overly sensitive throttle, it sort of jerks through out the pull each time I stomp on gas paddle and its really annoying. My only mod is CAI so far.

Also, my car hesitates/bogs down/chokes (I don't know how to describe it) when I press the paddle to go wot. For example gear 3, from 2-2.8k rpms. It will hesitate a bit before taking off when I floor it. Sometimes it will accelerate fine from low rpms, hesitate/jerk a bit during and then takes off have climbed up. Its been constant since I have been with Bama. Before and after Paul took over.

Any idea what the issues might be? No such problems with mpt. Smooth driveability.
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Hey Volt since you talked about twitching and given your background in tuning, I have a question (Paul @ Bama never gave me a specific answer when I have asked him). I am running Bama's 91R beta tune right, I have had few revisions done to it regarding twitchy throttle and pinging by use of datalogs. It still hasn't solved my problem. My car has still has a twitchy/overly sensitive throttle, it sort of jerks through out the pull each time I stomp on gas paddle and its really annoying. My only mod is CAI so far.

Also, my car hesitates/bogs down/chokes (I don't know how to describe it) when I press the paddle to go wot. For example gear 3, from 2-2.8k rpms. It will hesitate a bit before taking off when I floor it. Sometimes it will accelerate fine from low rpms, hesitate/jerk a bit during and then takes off have climbed up. Its been constant since I have been with Bama. Before and after Paul took over.

Any idea what the issues might be? No such problems with mpt. Smooth driveability.
Twitchy throttle is the race tune. One of the reasons they don't recommend it for daily use is the overly sensitive throttle response.

That bogging is why I ditched CAIs. Had so many bogging issues I just sold them and used a drop in K&N filter. It wasn't until after I got headers that a CAI started to make more sense. You have all this air going in and no where for it to go.
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Maybe this is reason why majority of the reviews surrounding bigger TBs are crappy. No shieet there won't be any significant gains if you're using it on a car tuned to run stock 68mm TB.



It like putting Steeda CAI on a non-tuned and complaining its a waste of money.

Yes sir, my thoughts exactly bro.


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