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Old 10-10-2014, 07:10 AM   #141
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^^ I'd have to agree with this. Without knowing how the tune is set up it'd really just be a crap shoot on my part trying to give you any solid info :/
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AM guys please give us a clear answer. Still no e mail from Bama it's been almost 24 hours. Please help lol

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AM guys please give us a clear answer. Still no e mail from Bama it's been almost 24 hours. Please help lol

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Yes that's true.
It shouldn't be them having to figure out the Bama confusion in the first place though. It says on the website they tune for the TB for max performance and when I called they said they don't.
If the answer is "not a big enough difference in size" that's just not true.

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Honestly i dont think it will matter. It's like with all the intakes, I had an AIRAID with a tune and to be honest switching back and forth with my OEM intake i felt NO difference. I highly doubt they do ANYTHING to the tunes with something like TB or intakes...except the Steeda which oddly enough is the only intake they list when you do a tune request. Also O/R X or H pipes. other than that I think they just grab the same tune file and email it to you.

I think doing a datalog is 100% your BEST way to do it.
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MPT tuned for my airaid though and their lead calibrator said he saw better gains on the dyno with the airaid over the steeda. With the combo of shorty headers and the 73MM Throttle Body and CAI all that needs to be tied together for maximum efficiency and performance.
Mpt is doing remote tuning basically for me. A crap ton of data logs including simulated 1/4 runs etc.
Bama said no data logging is necessary and won't benefit me

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As an aside to that. I emailed Ken at MPT a couple questions I had. Long story short, I told them of my plans and they will tune for ported intake manifolds and throttle bodies. (Even swapping to a GT). As expected, it will take some data logging though. They said they've already done quite a few with ported manifolds.

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Please don't take this as me bashing bama . I am just trying to wrap my head around all this. Although I am annoyed I was sent in a circle and then never received the info or email still

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MPT tuned for my airaid though and their lead calibrator said he saw better gains on the dyno with the airaid over the steeda. With the combo of shorty headers and the 73MM Throttle Body and CAI all that needs to be tied together for maximum efficiency and performance.
Mpt is doing remote tuning basically for me. A crap ton of data logs including simulated 1/4 runs etc.
Bama said no data logging is necessary and won't benefit me

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First part: I have no idea cause I saw nothing different with stock box and airraid. Never had a Steeda.

Second part: YES, getting a tune to tie it all together is whats important but in order to do that you need to have a tune specificly for YOUR car...not some generic file they use for all V6s with an intake and shorty headers. AS we all know different people have been getting different results from their BAMA tunes some with identical builds.

3rd: BAMA said no datalogging was needed? I think they are just being lazy at this point. a Datalog can ALWAYS be done and is the BEST way to dial in all your mods for your car...thats fishy...
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Yes they said no data log was necessary and that they don't tune for the throttle body or account for it but they would email me and I could tell them what I wanted . Didn't get the email .
When I said I understand that you don't tune for it even though it says on your website a tune is necessary for max performance, I want the extra 5mm accounted for in my tune especially with the intake and shorty headers that can't just be ignored if I want max performance. Not saying it won't be safe, I just want the top gains possible. Which is basically word for word AM themselves say on their website

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Fyi, when I installed my off road x-pipe, Bama informed me that the new tunes would be no different other than turning off the rear O2s. I would think having the same tune is leaving some power on the table considering the increase in exhaust flow.

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Well AMAlex PMed me today and I PMed him back asking about the throttle body and referenced this thread and the different info people on here have found. Hopefully we will get an answer soon.
I don't want to fill out a new tune request form since I don't want a new tune, I want the throttle body incorporated into my current 93R which I like exactly how it is.
Still no e-mail from Bama lol.
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Well AMAlex PMed me today and I PMed him back asking about the throttle body and referenced this thread and the different info people on here have found. Hopefully we will get an answer soon.
I don't want to fill out a new tune request form since I don't want a new tune, I want the throttle body incorporated into my current 93R which I like exactly how it is.
Still no e-mail from Bama lol.
I think a lot of what your experiencing is the idea that you go this super secret tune from Paul and your holding onto it a little too hard. This tune you have is something EVERYONE should be getting regardless, otherwise whats the point?
Either way you can request the tune and see how it is...if it doesn't feel any better or the same as what you currently have then you can just switch back.
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I think a lot of what your experiencing is the idea that you go this super secret tune from Paul and your holding onto it a little too hard. This tune you have is something EVERYONE should be getting regardless, otherwise whats the point?
Either way you can request the tune and see how it is...if it doesn't feel any better or the same as what you currently have then you can just switch back.
I'm not thinking I have a super secret tune at all. I have always thought mine is no different than anyone elses. My main sentiment is that after working with him I got it EXACTLY how I like, with the little kinks worked out such as idle surging, the throttle response on key, etc.
I'm worried if I request a complete new tune those things will be left out or lost and I will have to repeat that process.
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I'm not thinking I have a super secret tune at all. I have always thought mine is no different than anyone elses. My main sentiment is that after working with him I got it EXACTLY how I like, with the little kinks worked out such as idle surging, the throttle response on key, etc.
I'm worried if I request a complete new tune those things will be left out or lost and I will have to repeat that process.
See and thats the issue with BAMA. You should never be getting these feelings to begin with!
Sorry if i sounded like an ***....I can sometime be a dick but you kind of said it with your statement. Your afraid your going to lose the details that were worked out on this current tune if you resend for a new one. You should never have that feeling.
On a side note you wont ever LOSE your tune. You can always just switch back to the one you have if this new one ends up being poop.
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Not even so much that I will lose it just that it won't be incorporated in to the new one and I'll spend weeks trying to unsuccessfully fine tune it so it's exactly how I like it....
Especially with bamas new "5-7 business day turn around" it could be almost 2 weeks between each step....
And no worries you didn't sound like an ***, I just wanted to clarify my feeling on the subject so it isn't misconstrued in any way!

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"I'm calling to find out about updating my tunes for my 2012 v6 I'm adding BBK shorty headers and a BBK 73mm throttle body"
'Ok let me pull up your information really quick. Brian O'Connor, address is _______, correct?'.....I was emailed the form to fill out ... apparently they can't do it on the phone, which was my entire reason for calling.

Bama does NOT tune for the throttle body.

If they don't tune for the throttle body or for the headers, why am I filling out a form for a new tune if it's going to be literally the same? Where is all that extra air going that's being pumped going? Am I going to run rich? If they don't tune for the engine to account for it, how can my performance increase? I have a million questions, none of which were answered....
I really do not want to run a tune that does not account for the throttle body especially. Hopefully I will have better luck with MPT....
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MPT answered my email in 10 minutes guess I am just used to them lol. I'm using to being Bama being instant for me when I was doing my tuner write up. I get that emails take time but when the person says "its been sent " I'm expecting the email to be there. An hour and it's still not there. That leads me to believe it was not sent
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Just passed the 10 minute mark waiting on hold for someone at Bama to pick up.....
the e-mail I received back from them was to request a new tune, didn't answer either of my questions about headers or TB lol.
Finally someone picked up.
GB-My apologies but I can see that Paul had sent an automatic reply 1 hour and 7 minutes after your first email that had said the following:

"Thanks for your inquiry. Please see the link below to request a new tune revision:"


If there's a tuning inquiry it would need to go through support[at]bamaperformance[dot]com. And to clear some of this up BBK states on both their GT and V6 Throttle Bodies that custom tuning, in not required.


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EXACTLY! MPT & done! I sent data logs to Bama's lead calibrator Paul on Monday and I'm still waiting to hear back. I'm not going to say anything and see how long it takes them to get back to me.

AJ-PM me your your order number so I can have them look into this for you!

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This is what AM says on their site>>>
Will my Mustang Need a Custom Tune?
Another great debate in the performance world! When you upgrade your throttle body, it is not required to recalibrate your computer with a custom tune. That being said, we highly recommend getting a custom tuner to fully utilize not only your intake mods, but all of your upgraded parts. Our Bama Tune Specialists can incorporate the larger throttle body into your tune files to ensure you get optimum performance from your upgrade. The custom tune will let your Mustang’s computer (ECU) know there is increased air flow and will correct the air/fuel ratio.
Can you shoot me a link for this so this so that we can have this corrected? On Bama Performance under their Top Questions, there's a section for:

I just installed a new Throttle Body. Do I need a tune?: For pre-2005 vehicles, a tune is not required. However, we recommend a tune for 2005 and newer Mustangs for all throttle bodies that do require a tune.

Have more questions? Submit a request


& I just installed Shorty Headers. Do I need a tune?
No. A tune is not required unless you change to an off-road mid-pipe at the same time; however, you can gain additional HP/TQ with one of our tunes.

Have more questions? Submit a request

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When the person I'm speaking to thinks I have a GT when theyre looking at my info and I tell them prior I have a v6... I lose hope

Why does Bama ask the year and model? They seriously don't have this written down? I'm baffled by this. He knew my address and said he brought all my info up and then had to ask. He didn't say oh 2012 correct? He just asked what year. Then said GT right. No. I'm just confused by that whole exchange. Really makes you worried this person has anything to do w your car lol
Going back to my first quote are you sure you spoke with a Bama rep as this sound like you were speaking with an AM rep. There's no reason that Bama's rep would need to verify your physical address and the fact that they were unable to submit the tune info on their end would explain this further.


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Bama said no data logging is necessary and won't benefit me
Can you let me know who you spoke with? Bama is more than willing to datalog for any of their customers!

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3rd: BAMA said no datalogging was needed? I think they are just being lazy at this point. a Datalog can ALWAYS be done and is the BEST way to dial in all your mods for your car...thats fishy...
There's absolutely no reason why they would ever turn anyone away. They're there to help people get the most of out their car and make the best power possible!

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...even though it says on your website a tune is necessary for max performance...Which is basically word for word AM themselves say on their website
GB Please show me where it says this so the listing can be updated.
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Yes Paul responded to me promptly with the tune revision form - thing.
I had questions so I called Bama. I waited on hold for about 10 minutes because all the representatives were busy, then spoke to who I'm assuming was a Bama rep since it was Bamas number. I did not get his name, tried listening for it but I couldn't catch it. He sounded super young though.
The info I mentioned from the site was me quoting diehard and which you quoted. Not sure where he got that from.
Again, not sure who I spoke with specifically. Said thank you for calling Bama Performance my name is ____ how can I help you ?
He did talk about the airflow and how that would be tuned by the MAF too, so I really think he was a bama guy.
It's not a big deal he was polite and everything just didn't exactly inspire confidence in me with the whole what year it's a GT right tangent.
Idk why he would say thank you for calling bama etc if he wasn't a bama guy.
I'm more miffed I couldn't get a straight answer about tuning for it and the email never came lol.

I really don't want this to turn in to another "Bama customer service" thing because as I said he was polite etc. I really would just like this info on the throttle body.
If Bama does not tune for it that's fine. I'm just wondering why they don't if that's the case. 5mm is a big increase in TB diameter and I would really like that accounted for in my tune.
MPT said they would do kind of a remote tuning with me to get it fine tuned perfectly.
Now I'm not comparing MPT to bama but why would they say they will tune for it but Bama will not? Especially when it's on the sheet in the questions when you submit for a tune (to the best of my memory it Is) .
I don't know where diehard pulled that from he would have to answer I just was going off of that .


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Honestly i dont think it will matter. It's like with all the intakes, I had an AIRAID with a tune and to be honest switching back and forth with my OEM intake i felt NO difference. I highly doubt they do ANYTHING to the tunes with something like TB or intakes...except the Steeda which oddly enough is the only intake they list when you do a tune request. Also O/R X or H pipes. other than that I think they just grab the same tune file and email it to you.

I think doing a datalog is 100% your BEST way to do it.




Just to avoid confusion on the subject, the Steeda intake (to my knowledge) is the only one that changes the MAF diameter, meaning it 100% does require a tune; at least in regards to the fueling.
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Not even so much that I will lose it just that it won't be incorporated in to the new one and I'll spend weeks trying to unsuccessfully fine tune it so it's exactly how I like it....
Especially with bamas new "5-7 business day turn around" it could be almost 2 weeks between each step....
And no worries you didn't sound like an ***, I just wanted to clarify my feeling on the subject so it isn't misconstrued in any way!

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I'm not sure how long bama takes now honestly. Members have been saying a week and 5-7 business days is what they advertise now

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Dyno custom tuning is an awesome luxury to have if available. ... .
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I'm not sure how long bama takes now honestly. Members have been saying a week and 5-7 business days is what they advertise now

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Bummer...it used to be 3 days till you started that thread...good job GB93!

LOL I'm just messing...
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AJ-PM me your your order number so I can have them look into this for you!

I already did earlier this week. I sent it to you and Chris for the exact same issue. Bama not getting back to me. I didn't know it takes the 5-7 days before they even get back to you. It hasn't been quite that long yet so I will pm you my info but I guess I have to wait til Monday to hear anything since I last emailed Bama (Paul) this past Monday? What a cluster! No worries Alex I'll keep running my awesome MPT tune in the mean time. Thanks for all your help but it seems like Bama is much to busy.
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Welp. Woke up at 630AM to start working on the headers.... Pouring rain. Still pouring rain.
God does not want me to put these headers on. Gonna try again for tomorrow morning.
I need a garage

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Welp. Woke up at 630AM to start working on the headers.... Pouring rain. Still pouring rain.
God does not want me to put these headers on. Gonna try again for tomorrow morning.
I need a garage

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Might check in your area for something like we had here. Shade Tree. It's a garage with lifts that you rent for x amount of time and get access to their tools. Super cheap to use.

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Sadly they do not have any by here anymore. There was one place up until a few years ago. They ended up spending more time helping people put their cars back together then making $ so they stopped

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Ironically, the same thing here. That and the people owning it moved to Hawaii. Apparently it's a very expensive business to run.

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Ironically, the same thing here. That and the people owning it moved to Hawaii. Apparently it's a very expensive business to run.

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Oh I can see why.
rent, heat, electricity, lifts + tools, insurance, etc. are some crazy amount a month
can't charge more than $15 or so an hour or people will just pay to get it installed
Say you have 5 lifts (which is huge)
You can't make all those expenses back plus profit every month
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Dynomax has 2.75" over axle pipes that fits to s197 V6. It's available at ebay and jegs. Just have to transfer the elbow from the stock over axle pipe for easy muffler change if you need to. Took this route and It works well.
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Dynomax has 2.75" over axle pipes that fits to s197 V6. It's available at ebay and jegs. Just have to transfer the elbow from the stock over axle pipe for easy muffler change if you need to. Took this route and It works well.
GT 5.0 over axel pipes are 2.75". Also isn't 2.75" too big for the V6 N/A?
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GT 5.0 over axel pipes are 2.75". Also isn't 2.75" too big for the V6 N/A?
+1. I personally would go 2.75" only if i go FI. 2.5" is just more than enough for N/A application.

Looking at LPF turbo kits Y Pipe design, I don't think you'd even need a bigger over the axle pipe. I might be wrong though.

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+1. I personally would go 2.75" only if i go FI. 2.5" is just more than enough for N/A application.

Looking at LPF turbo kits Y Pipe design, I don't think you'd even need a bigger over the axle pipe. I might be wrong though.

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You could always opt for a BOSS H pipe...get some baffled exhaust so at a certain preasure it'll open up and you'll get knarly open exhaust out the sides!
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You could always opt for a BOSS H pipe...get some baffled exhaust so at a certain preasure it'll open up and you'll get knarly open exhaust out the sides!
I doubt the V6 would sound very good with that honestly. I think it would be a raspy wheezing mess.

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It's possible but at high RPMs it shouldn't. Haven't really heard one though. This is what I'm talking about. It's a butterfly valve inside the exhaust that only opens at specific preasure. Corvettes have them in their exhaust.
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