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Old 10-06-2014, 10:07 PM   #1
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Anyone out there naturally aspirated at 300 horsepower to the wheels.
What is needed to reach these numbers, already have exhaust, CAI, and throttle body.

Also what is the horsepower at the crank with 300 whp?
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Oh my bad I always forget about that, Have a 91 bama race tune, waiting on the 93 to be emailed
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Anyone out there naturally aspirated at 300 horsepower to the wheels.

What is needed to reach these numbers, already have exhaust, CAI, and throttle body.



Also what is the horsepower at the crank with 300 whp?

Absolutely a tune. First and foremost.

Long tube headers, off road x pipe and a one piece driveshaft and with an automatic you'll be kissing 300, with a manual you'll clear 300.




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I've got
- one piece driveshaft
- 73mm throttle body
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What do you think i'm at now? to the wheels, not crank.
Plan on adding shorty headers and Ford Racing X pipe as well here after gears.
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Is it an automatic or manual?


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300 WHP

The only way to actually find out is to strap up to a dyno and run it.

With your current set up, my best guess would be +/-285ish.

Keep in mind it's a complete guess and there's no way to actually know without putting it on a dyno.


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Yeah I guess your right. I'll do that once I've bought headers and x pipe.

What about coil packs? Does that really give you gains?

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I have hit 301rwhp with BBK Ceramic Longtubes; BBK TB; Airraid CAI; BBK o/r X, 3:31 gears; Exhaust pulled off from x back. 93 Bama Race tune.

Getting dyno tuned once I drop in new flywheel/clutch/driveshaft/fuel system and n2o. Ill see about getting one before I add anything else for sake of uploading it to here. I should still be right on the dot +/- 1.


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300 WHP

Sounds about right. You're a manual so you have less driveline loss.

Love when people post graphs and their 1/4 mile times and such. Great to have all of this info.

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You won't be seeing 300 at the wheels with the stock cats in place with the current mods available. You may get close to 290 after headers. I've been putting off dyno'ing my car since I don't have a new driveshaft, but I'd only be expecting 275-280.
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The only way to actually find out is to strap up to a dyno and run it.

With your current set up, my best guess would be +/-285ish.

Keep in mind it's a complete guess and there's no way to actually know without putting it on a dyno.


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Makes no difference if you dont have a baseline to compare it to, its basically just a number. You can walk into any dyno shop and say you want to make 300 whp and depending on how they load the dyno, you can make 300 whp. The point of a dyno is to track gains, not simply show a number, because a number in and of itself is arbitrary.

I took my previous car to two separate dynos on the same day a while back. On one i made 275 whp and 340 wtq. The other i made 315 whp and 410 wtq (turbo 4 on E85)... my car wasnt any faster on the 315 pull than the 275 pull, so you see where i mean its arbitrary.

Its best to always dyno a car bone stock and then always go back to that same dyno to chart gains. Lets say your manual 3.7 dynos 290 stock on your dyno, and i dyno 230 stock on mine. I do headers, cat delete, intake, TB, yada yada yada and end up with 280 whp, or 50 whp over stock. You do an intake and end up with 295 whp, or 5 whp over stock on your dyno. If you just look at the numbers, you would tend to think your car would beat mine; 295 whp vs 280, but i picked up 50 whp over stock, whereas you only picked up 5. Cant just get hung up on numbers.
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Yes the throttle body is a nice improvement. You'll feel the difference past 3k rpms.

Im definitely not cutting out my mufflers.
What if I kept stock cats and added the shorty headers with ford racing x pipe along with ported upper and lower intake?

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You won't be seeing 300 at the wheels with the stock cats in place with the current mods available. You may get close to 290 after headers. I've been putting off dyno'ing my car since I don't have a new driveshaft, but I'd only be expecting 275-280.
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Yes the throttle body is a nice improvement. You'll feel the difference past 3k rpms.

Im definitely not cutting out my mufflers.
What if I kept stock cats and added the shorty headers with ford racing x pipe along with ported upper and lower intake?

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You'd deffinatly gain some in the low end with the shortties. Something i always wondered was if changing out the transmission fluid to a raceing fluid or something like Royal Purple would get you anything.
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You got me stumped. I wouldn't even know how to change it.

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Makes no difference if you dont have a baseline to compare it to, its basically just a number. You can walk into any dyno shop and say you want to make 300 whp and depending on how they load the dyno, you can make 300 whp. The point of a dyno is to track gains, not simply show a number, because a number in and of itself is arbitrary.

I took my previous car to two separate dynos on the same day a while back. On one i made 275 whp and 340 wtq. The other i made 315 whp and 410 wtq (turbo 4 on E85)... my car wasnt any faster on the 315 pull than the 275 pull, so you see where i mean its arbitrary.

Its best to always dyno a car bone stock and then always go back to that same dyno to chart gains. Lets say your manual 3.7 dynos 290 stock on your dyno, and i dyno 230 stock on mine. I do headers, cat delete, intake, TB, yada yada yada and end up with 280 whp, or 50 whp over stock. You do an intake and end up with 295 whp, or 5 whp over stock on your dyno. If you just look at the numbers, you would tend to think your car would beat mine; 295 whp vs 280, but i picked up 50 whp over stock, whereas you only picked up 5. Cant just get hung up on numbers.
Correct and totally agree.


Dynos are tools and can be fudged with to create numbers to make people happy. I have seen operators make the dyno read lower and then they "work and tune" the car and low and behold they "found" 10 hp from their incredible knowledge of tuning.
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Theres 2 bolts, one to drain on the bottom, and one to fill on the side (you will need a good fluid transfer pump to fill). They're Hex head, so you'll need Hex sockets. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of dyno improvement but it helps a ton with transmission shift and feel, and i swear mine runs cooler after switching. I've sun Redline 75w-90, and Amsoil 5w-30 (gear oil is not weighted the same as engine oil) synchromesh and both are phenomenal.
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Theres 2 bolts, one to drain on the bottom, and one to fill on the side (you will need a good fluid transfer pump to fill). They're Hex head, so you'll need Hex sockets. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of dyno improvement but it helps a ton with transmission shift and feel, and i swear mine runs cooler after switching. I've sun Redline 75w-90, and Amsoil 5w-30 (gear oil is not weighted the same as engine oil) synchromesh and both are phenomenal.
Thats just the answer i was looking for! Do you live anywhere where it snows or gets to around 15*? I hear that some aftermarket transmission oils can be negatively affected by cold weather. I have a manual and want to switch over, that Redline 75W-90...is that for a manual tranny or auto?
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I live in Houston lol ... what is this snow you speak of? Both oils i listed are for manual transmissions, but i'm not sure if they will work in the cold. With both oils my transmission was still a little notchy when cold, but once it warmed up it was smoooooooooooooth. It's probably worth seeing what oils will benefit you in a colder climate though.
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I live in Houston lol ... what is this snow you speak of? Both oils i listed are for manual transmissions, but i'm not sure if they will work in the cold. With both oils my transmission was still a little notchy when cold, but once it warmed up it was smoooooooooooooth. It's probably worth seeing what oils will benefit you in a colder climate though.
So I can't use that specific oil on my automatic?
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The auto doesn't actually take oil, it takes "ATF (automatic transmission fluid), which is hydraulic if i'm not mistaken and the 6r80 takes like $12 qts ... This is not a job easily done at home, nor will it be cheap, but i saw someone above mention swapping to royal purple fluids which is why i made my first statement. I didnt realize you had an auto.
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The auto doesn't actually take oil, it takes "ATF (automatic transmission fluid), which is hydraulic if i'm not mistaken and the 6r80 takes like $12 qts ... This is not a job easily done at home, nor will it be cheap, but i saw someone above mention swapping to royal purple fluids which is why i made my first statement. I didnt realize you had an auto.
Is it ever necessary to change that ATF? Im almost at 59k
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The owners manual says 100,000 or 120,000 miles if I'm not mistaken.

It's a sealed transmission, so no dipstick or drain plugs.


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Alright have a good while then. I assume the dealership will do this for me?
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Alright have a good while then. I assume the dealership will do this for me?

Yeah. They'll pretty much do anything as long as you pay them.


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Actually the dealership will skip some things even tho you paid them.
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Anyone out there naturally aspirated at 300 horsepower to the wheels.
What is needed to reach these numbers, already have exhaust, CAI, and throttle body.

Also what is the horsepower at the crank with 300 whp?
OP my friend , getting 300 rwhp out of our 3.7's N/A is so easy with nothing more than bolt on mods. My 2011 3.7 made 297 rwhp with my 91 MPT tune and 294 rwhp with my 91 Bama hybrid tune. Now granted I did fall short of the 300 rwhp you are asking for but please keep in mind my 3.7 is an automatic. 297 rwhp from an automatic would be well over 300 rwhp in a manual transmission.

So me having 297 rwhp is roughly 350 HP to the crank which is some what respectable for a V6. Lol. In order to achieve my 297 rwhp these are my mods.

91 MPT tune
Airraid CAI
BBK Long Tube Ceramic Headers
BBK off road x pipe
One piece aluminum driveshaft
3:73 gears.
Flowmaster Force II axle backs.

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Yes it helps.
I plan on doing the same except shorty headers and ford racing x pipe with stock cats.
Eventually maybe some aftermarket cats in place of stock, but I know I can't deal with the rasp from the off road x pipe.

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Yes it helps.
I plan on doing the same except shorty headers and ford racing x pipe with stock cats.
Eventually maybe some aftermarket cats in place of stock, but I know I can't deal with the rasp from the off road x pipe.

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I don't think your gonna break 300 rwhp with the stock cats. Just not gonna happen. Those cats really rob the car of HP.

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