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Old 10-14-2014, 11:34 AM   #71
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I'd like to see a turbo 3.7 up against the eco 4......... Just saying.

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The ecoboost is like the following scenario: you're at work and all of a sudden, your boss asks you to train a new hire. You go through the motions and before you know it, a month later, you're out of a job even though you've been with that company for 30+ years. This is a perfect analogy as to what I think Ford wants to do with the EB.
Yep.... think about this.... turbo/EB engines will probably be replacing ALL NA engines in the near future.

The Bad News is they're going to lower displacement across the board

The Good News is power will keep going up, so while we might get a 3.7L V6 turbo in the future that replaces the 5.0L in the GT, they'll probably release it with 450hp, 400+ lbs torque.
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Not sure what your saying here...
Just saying that you're more than likely gonna see bigger gains mod for mod in the turbo i4 over the v6, but my plan is still to get a 5.0 next haha.

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Just saying that you're more than likely gonna see bigger gains mod for mod in the turbo i4 over the v6, but my plan is still to get a 5.0 next haha.

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OH! LOL I got all confused when you start talking about S550 and S197 after saying youwere going to get a 5.0 LOL i get it, its the chassi code for the current mMustang and the new 2015.
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OH! LOL I got all confused when you start talking about S550 and S197 after saying youwere going to get a 5.0 LOL i get it, its the chassi code for the current mMustang and the new 2015.
Yeah. Haven't made up my mind on which 5.0 I want, a 11-14 (late-s197) or a new gen (s550). Waiting to see how the new ones are as far as issues before I decide, but I'm currently leaning towards the late-s197 5.0.

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Yeah. Haven't made up my mind on which 5.0 I want, a 11-14 (late-s197) or a new gen (s550). Waiting to see how the new ones are as far as issues before I decide, but I'm currently leaning towards the late-s197 5.0.

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I would say if you want the S550, wait at least another year for the bugs to be found and hopefully worked out. Possibly new engines coming up in 2-3 as well. Don't be the 2010 guy that's pissed haha

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I would say if you want the S550, wait at least another year for the bugs to be found and hopefully worked out. Possibly new engines coming up in 2-3 as well. Don't be the 2010 guy that's pissed haha

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I would say if you want the S550, wait at least another year for the bugs to be found and hopefully worked out. Possibly new engines coming up in 2-3 as well. Don't be the 2010 guy that's pissed haha

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LOL Ive felt bad for them since i got mine. Im sure its safe to say a good 70% of them didnt do their homework with what was coming in just 1 year...poor people.
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LOL Ive felt bad for them since i got mine. Im sure its safe to say a good 70% of them didnt do their homework with what was coming in just 1 year...poor people.
Hahaha yes. A friend of mine was FUMING after he bought his. Not only did the new engine come out. The dealerships wouldn't give him crap for trade in, because no one wanted the old engine.

Saw dealerships scurrying and giving major deals out like candy to get them off the lot. Lol

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Hahaha yes. A friend of mine was FUMING after he bought his. Not only did the new engine come out. The dealerships wouldn't give him crap for trade in, because no one wanted the old engine.

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With the amount that you would lose trading it in (if you did go that route) you could have Turbo'd suspension work and a couple of tickets paid off,

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2014 EcoBoost vs S197 V6

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Yep.... think about this.... turbo/EB engines will probably be replacing ALL NA engines in the near future.



The Bad News is they're going to lower displacement across the board



The Good News is power will keep going up, so while we might get a 3.7L V6 turbo in the future that replaces the 5.0L in the GT, they'll probably release it with 450hp, 400+ lbs torque.

It's funny you say that because I was talking to someone and he had stayed something about Ford Focus getting a v6 turbo in 2016 ? I believe never looked into it though
Looked that up didn't see anything about it but I found this and it was interesting
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:26 AM   #83
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ID:	167846 so how much is this motor turned up all ready how much more is a tune going to do if it seems it's already aggressive compared to the Lincoln
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Nm found this maybe the 2.3 won't be that badClick image for larger version

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WAttachment 167846 so how much is this motor turned up all ready how much more is a tune going to do if it seems it's already aggressive compared to the Lincoln

While they both may be 2.3L, this ecoboost was all new designed for the mustang.

All stock turbo cars turn the boost down up top to keep the heat under control, you're lucky to find one carrying power past 6k on the stock tune. Where the tune makes a difference isnt so much peak numbers, but picking up that dip up top. Peak numbers may only change a few whp, but you can see how flat lining that hp on the top end would lead to MASSIVE gains.
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Another thing people don't realize is stock for stock it may not be that big of a difference but it's when the modding starts that you will see the difference. Take a v6 and ecoboost car and put 1-2 k in mods on both cars it won't even be close.


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The ecoboost should definitely respond to mods better. Which Ford should love, I bet they have to do VERY LITTLE warranty work on the 4's because few will still have their warranty intact.
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I'm looking forward to seeing that Ford Focus though in all honesty
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I'm looking forward to seeing that Ford Focus though in all honesty

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Between 325 to 350 hp it's suppose to be
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Anybody else see the stock ecoboost with just a tune horsepower gains? Something around 45rwhp and the tune isnt even perfected yet
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it wasn't that much, it was like 20-30 whp and 40 wtq. The Average im seeing is 305 whp 340 wtq stock with a tune.
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I read somewhere I do forget but the turbos only turn up to 9 psi? Or I don't know if that is the stock boost
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it wasn't that much, it was like 20-30 whp and 40 wtq. The Average im seeing is 305 whp 340 wtq stock with a tune.
Livernois has gotten almost 90hp and 60tq (though their stock run seemed low)
WMS has gotten 30hp and 50tq

And I believe this is all with the restrictive stock intake and exhaust. Just imagine once it is free breathing. The problem with the ecoboost right now, it seems, ford has set very strict safety precautions to deal with heat, and they have to find a way around it or upgrade to a bigger turbo.
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So basically, after reading 10 pages, the t4 performs the same as the v6, just less fuel used to idle at a stop light.

It's apples to apples to compare two stock cars. Most people do not significantly modify their cars. Compare Mustang sales to tuner sales. That would be a tiny fraction. Granted, WE all want to tune, but the average Joe? Most likely rims, maybe some trim pieces, and then way later comes the performance stuff, if they even do that.

Not arguing stock vs modified or whatever. I would expect a LOT of power when tuned. Realistically, if Ford can safely tune to 350 HP, a more aggressive tune should be able to push even more. I doubt Ford will go near the limits at all.

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It's all gearing. The tall gears on the V6 make it possible to just leave it in 3rd the whole rest of the run. The V6 *is* a better engine, just it takes keeping it above 2K rpm at all times to go fast. So if you drive it poorly, it bogs down compared to the turbo.
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So basically, after reading 10 pages, the t4 performs the same as the v6, just less fuel used to idle at a stop light.

It's apples to apples to compare two stock cars. Most people do not significantly modify their cars. Compare Mustang sales to tuner sales. That would be a tiny fraction. Granted, WE all want to tune, but the average Joe? Most likely rims, maybe some trim pieces, and then way later comes the performance stuff, if they even do that.

Not arguing stock vs modified or whatever. I would expect a LOT of power when tuned. Realistically, if Ford can safely tune to 350 HP, a more aggressive tune should be able to push even more. I doubt Ford will go near the limits at all.

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The thing is if your going to compare two engines with similar Hp you really need to have the same or similar gearing, transmissions, and weight. All those things play a big factor in 1/4 mile times.

And with the v6 and ecoboost models ford is going to mix performance with practicality (Mpgs) as that is what sells the majority of these cars. Guys who care strictly about performance go with the 5.0


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Beat me to it! Here's what they posted on FB:

"52+ RWHP gains out of the Automatic Ecoboost with a Bama custom tune only! We're not finished yet.. Stay tuned!"
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Considering it gained that much and the tune isnt even perfected yet makes me want to get one. Imagine an ecoboost with full bolt-ons what power that would be making
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Look at all the dips and hills on that graph though, not impressed one bit, still having trouble perfecting a tune I see

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Considering it gained that much and the tune isnt even perfected yet makes me want to get one. Imagine an ecoboost with full bolt-ons what power that would be making
Also keep in mind they made those gains with an auto. A manual will not lose as much through the drivetrain and I believe will easily make 300+ whp once tunes are perfected.

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I've been considering pulling off my 5.0's and putting on the 3.7's to F' with people!
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Look at all the dips and hills on that graph though, not impressed one bit, still having trouble perfecting a tune I see

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Depends on smoothing. I've also tuned on a few different dynos, and one made a LOT of chatter that was throwing off the knock sensors... Could very well be a rough tune, but typically you wouldn't see that much variation.
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V6 takes the ecoboost on the latter part of the race because the ecoboost has no top end. If you look at the dyno graphs of a ecoboost, it will build good power up until halfways thru the rev range and then it drops down just like the other ecoboost engines. Makes it a great car to drive around town. Not the best when drag racing though. With mods it will definitely be a game changer. I read in a review the ecoboost handles better than a new wrx which is pretty amazing.


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