2014 v6 Gear Change at dealer - Mustang Evolution

Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 4 Cylinder | V6 | Classic Mustangs || Tech and Talk > 2011-2014 V6 Mustang



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them here!
Old 10-15-2014, 08:00 PM   #1
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: New York
Region: New York
Posts: 84
2014 v6 Gear Change at dealer

I know there are a lot of threads on gears, and I've read and searched a lot of them to avoid typing a redundant post, but I don't see the answer to this question so here we go.

I've read a lot of people saying that they've gone to their dealer and gotten gear swaps on 2013/2014 v6's, and as long as they change to a factory option (2.73 or 3.31 I believe) the dealer is able to reprogram the speedometer, keep the warranty and no harm no foul.

Today I spoke with a specialist at a Ford Racing motorsport division of a Ford dealer about an hour way. This guy claims he is an expert at this an has been doing this for years. Anyway he says that Ford has not yet released a tuner for the 2010 - 2014 v6 Mustang (GT is another story), and that if I change the gear to any other ratio I 'd have to use an aftermarket tuner to correct things which could void my warranty. He actually said he'd make me sign a waiver on my warranty to do the work.

He said that right now Ford has only released tuners for the 2005 - 2009 v6 mustangs (and s197 GT's of all years), and that therefore those are the only s197s that can have their gears changed to any other option and still keep the Ford warranty.

Given that I think I've heard other people having change their gears on 2011- 2013 v6's at the Factory and still keeping their warranty, does anybody have any advise? Is what this dealer saying true? Does he need a tuner to correct the speedometer after a gear change or is there another device he can use to make the corrections if I am switching to a gear ratio that was a factory option on my car?

Many thanks for any guidance on this.
Thegreenmachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-15-2014, 08:09 PM   #2
Registered Member
Regular
 
smurf stang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Miami
Region: Florida
Posts: 1,341
Since the V6 came from the factory with 3:31, the dealership can change the programing on the ecu so that the speedo is correct.

Now if you choose a gear ratio other than 2:73 or 3:31 then a tuner would be needed to correct the speedo.
__________________
2016 VW GTI 2.0 Turbo

1989 Sonic Blue LX Coupe, 349 ci, TW heads, TFS Track Heat Intake, 75mm Accufab TB, 80mm ProM, 30 lb. inj, TKO, 3.73, 31 spline w/ TruTrac, MAC 1-5/8" LT headers w/ H pipe, Flowmaster, electric fan Moates QH
391 rwhp & 424 rwtq...Mustang Dyno 11.5@122mph
smurf stang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 08:22 PM   #3
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New Smyrna Beach
Region: Florida
Posts: 102
Also check other dealers. Some are more mod friendly than others. Also do not let them scare you about the warranty thing. Google Magnusson-moss warranty act of 1975.

Sent from my LGLS990 using Mustang Evolution mobile app
fission is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-15-2014, 08:44 PM   #4
Registered Member
Regular
 
JR4288's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: San Antonio
Region: Texas
Posts: 220
When I ordered my mustang I had included the performance package in order. I later decided against it and asked them to remove the option. When the car was delivered they had accidently left the 3.31 gearing in. This caused the price of the car to be about $450 more. To remedy the situation the dealership gave me two options: I could either have them switch it out at the dealership or they could deduct the $450 the gears were invoiced at. I ended up choosing the later and getting free 3.31 gearing. Long story short, I had discussed both options and the dealership told me it would be no problem for them to do the gear swap and that this "procedure" was done often. Haha I hope that helped. Probably a little more elaborate than necessary.
JR4288 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 09:09 PM   #5
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: New York
Region: New York
Posts: 84
2014 v6 Gear Change at dealer

Thanks for the responses. So just to confirm - this dealer is blowing smoke when he says he would need an aftermarket tuner for me to movie up to the 3.31 gear on a 2013 v6?

He claims he is very knowledgable and has done this kind of work for years, and that the 2010 - 2014 v6s can't change gears without an aftermarket tune.

Does anyone know what the exact device is that he'd need to use to program the ecu if he isn't using an after market tuner? Again, he claims that only 2009 - 2010 v6's can be reprogrammed because those are the only s197 v6's that FORD has released tubers for (the procal). Maybe I can educate him a bit.

I have heard some people say that dealers have promised that they can do certain gear changes only to realize that they can't.


Sent from my iPhone using Mustang Evolution
Thegreenmachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 09:12 PM   #6
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: New York
Region: New York
Posts: 84
Quote:
Originally Posted by JR4288 View Post
When I ordered my mustang I had included the performance package in order. I later decided against it and asked them to remove the option. When the car was delivered they had accidently left the 3.31 gearing in. This caused the price of the car to be about $450 more. To remedy the situation the dealership gave me two options: I could either have them switch it out at the dealership or they could deduct the $450 the gears were invoiced at. I ended up choosing the later and getting free 3.31 gearing. Long story short, I had discussed both options and the dealership told me it would be no problem for them to do the gear swap and that this "procedure" was done often. Haha I hope that helped. Probably a little more elaborate than necessary.
Do you know the name of your dealer - maybe I can call them to get more info on this process? It seems my dealers are clueless.





Sent from my iPhone using Mustang Evolution
Thegreenmachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 09:14 PM   #7
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New Smyrna Beach
Region: Florida
Posts: 102
I know of the biggest ford racing shop in the south. In Daytona Florida. Google Gary Yoemans Ford. Call them They are great.

At least to get info.

Sent from my LGLS990 using Mustang Evolution mobile app
fission is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 09:41 PM   #8
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: New York
Region: New York
Posts: 84
Quote:
Originally Posted by fission View Post
I know of the biggest ford racing shop in the south. In Daytona Florida. Google Gary Yoemans Ford. Call them They are great.

At least to get info.

Sent from my LGLS990 using Mustang Evolution mobile app

Awesome thanks


Sent from my iPhone using Mustang Evolution
Thegreenmachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 09:59 PM   #9
Registered Member
Regular
 
JR4288's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: San Antonio
Region: Texas
Posts: 220
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thegreenmachine View Post
Do you know the name of your dealer - maybe I can call them to get more info on this process? It seems my dealers are clueless.





Sent from my iPhone using Mustang Evolution
I bough my car from Northside Ford.
JR4288 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 10:06 PM   #10
Registered Member
Regular
 
5pointYoBro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Nashville
Region: Tennessee
Posts: 730
Anyone know how much a dealership would charge? May have to end up going to the dealership to get my 3:55's installed
__________________
2014 GT. Oxford White.
20" Velgen VMB5s on NT555s.
MBRP Race Series Catback Exhaust
Bama 93 Performance Tune
5pointYoBro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 10:11 PM   #11
Registered Member
Regular
 
FastFord13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Montreal
Region: Canada
Posts: 4,264
I wouldn't go to a dealership for gears. Try to find a local reputable gear shop.

2013 3.7 Manual Candy apple red metallic,
GT 500 stripes, painted side mirror covers, GT 500 spoiler, 2010 GT premium wheels with Pirelli P-zero tires, upper and lower front billet grille, Barton shifter bracket, Airaid Cold air intake, S.R lowering springs, J&M adjustable panhard bar, Boss 302 strut tower brace, 3.73 ford racing gears, Bama tuned, BBK shorty headers, Roush Axel backs.
FastFord13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 10:15 PM   #12
Registered Member
Regular
 
5pointYoBro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Nashville
Region: Tennessee
Posts: 730
Quote:
Originally Posted by FastFord13 View Post
I wouldn't go to a dealership for gears. Try to find a local reputable gear shop.

2013 3.7 Manual Candy apple red metallic,
GT 500 stripes, painted side mirror covers, GT 500 spoiler, 2010 GT premium wheels with Pirelli P-zero tires, upper and lower front billet grille, Barton shifter bracket, Airaid Cold air intake, S.R lowering springs, J&M adjustable panhard bar, Boss 302 strut tower brace, 3.73 ford racing gears, Bama tuned, BBK shorty headers, Roush Axel backs.
I've only found two options around me. One being a dealeship. The other is a local shop that says they have done gears in the past but not as many now as they used too. Then there is a performance shop in Nashville but they want 750 to install, yes just to install not supply parts.
__________________
2014 GT. Oxford White.
20" Velgen VMB5s on NT555s.
MBRP Race Series Catback Exhaust
Bama 93 Performance Tune
5pointYoBro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 12:09 AM   #13
VIG
Registered Member
Regular
 
VIG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wilmington
Region: Delaware
Posts: 1,238
For $#!+$ and giggles I asked my dealership how much it would be to swap my 2.73 for 3.31.

$1248
__________________
IG: workshardplayshard
VIG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 12:29 AM   #14
Registered Member
Regular
 
JR4288's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: San Antonio
Region: Texas
Posts: 220
Quote:
Originally Posted by VIG View Post
For $#!+$ and giggles I asked my dealership how much it would be to swap my 2.73 for 3.31.

$1248
Hahaha well that definitely made me giggle!! Robbery!!
JR4288 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 12:58 AM   #15
Registered Member
Regular
 
JoeyM91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Shawnee
Region: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,840
Quote:
Originally Posted by VIG View Post
For $#!+$ and giggles I asked my dealership how much it would be to swap my 2.73 for 3.31.

$1248
Plus I doubt they will warranty their work. "It's aftermarket. Best effort, no guarantee ".

The shop I paid $360 for gave me his personal number and said if I have any problems, call him immediately.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
__________________
2011 V6 Race Red - Airaid CAI , BBK 73mm Throttle Body, 3.73 FRPP Gears, BBK Longtube Headers , BBK Off Road X-Pipe , Borla ATAKs , SR Performance Strut Tower Brace, MPT 91R Tune, Powerstop Rotors and pads, JLT Oil Seperator, Koni STR.T Struts & Shocks, Eibach Pro Line Springs, BMR Adjustable Panhard Bar, J&M Caster Camber Plates, Mickey Thompson Street Comps on 19" Laguna Seca Hyper Black Wheels, Several other aesthetic mods
JoeyM91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 11:41 AM   #16
IS3
Registered Member
Regular
 
IS3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SoCal
Region: California
Posts: 98
I just went to a Ford Dealership (Southern California) yesterday and i was told by the Service guy that it would cost $1260 just for 10 hours of labor not including parts.
IS3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 11:44 AM   #17
Registered Member
Regular
 
JoeyM91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Shawnee
Region: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,840
Quote:
Originally Posted by IS3 View Post
I just went to a Ford Dealership (Southern California) yesterday and i was told by the Service guy that it would cost $1260 just for 10 hours of labor not including parts.
10 hours?! Are they teaching a rabid monkey how to do it? Lol. For someone that knows what they're doing it shouldn't be more than 3 or 4 max of labor.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
__________________
2011 V6 Race Red - Airaid CAI , BBK 73mm Throttle Body, 3.73 FRPP Gears, BBK Longtube Headers , BBK Off Road X-Pipe , Borla ATAKs , SR Performance Strut Tower Brace, MPT 91R Tune, Powerstop Rotors and pads, JLT Oil Seperator, Koni STR.T Struts & Shocks, Eibach Pro Line Springs, BMR Adjustable Panhard Bar, J&M Caster Camber Plates, Mickey Thompson Street Comps on 19" Laguna Seca Hyper Black Wheels, Several other aesthetic mods
JoeyM91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 11:59 AM   #18
Registered Member
Regular
 
FastFord13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Montreal
Region: Canada
Posts: 4,264
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyM91 View Post
10 hours?! Are they teaching a rabid monkey how to do it? Lol. For someone that knows what they're doing it shouldn't be more than 3 or 4 max of labor.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
Lol+1. Dropped mine off at 8 and was ready by 1230. 650$, tax, gears,oil and labour.

2013 3.7 Manual Candy apple red metallic,
GT 500 stripes, painted side mirror covers, GT 500 spoiler, 2010 GT premium wheels with Pirelli P-zero tires, upper and lower front billet grille, Barton shifter bracket, Airaid Cold air intake, S.R lowering springs, J&M adjustable panhard bar, Boss 302 strut tower brace, 3.73 ford racing gears, Bama tuned, BBK shorty headers, Roush Axel backs.
FastFord13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 05:14 PM   #19
IS3
Registered Member
Regular
 
IS3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SoCal
Region: California
Posts: 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyM91 View Post
10 hours?! Are they teaching a rabid monkey how to do it? Lol. For someone that knows what they're doing it shouldn't be more than 3 or 4 max of labor.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
I am serious, i looked at him with a blank face and repeated the question. this is in Carlsbad Ford by the way just in case someone may say im making this up. Go over there and ask he repeated 10 hours like 3 times.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FastFord13 View Post
Lol+1. Dropped mine out at 8 and was ready by 1230. 650$, tax, gears,oil and labour.

2013 3.7 Manual Candy apple red metallic,
GT 500 stripes, painted side mirror covers, GT 500 spoiler, 2010 GT premium wheels with Pirelli P-zero tires, upper and lower front billet grille, Barton shifter bracket, Airaid Cold air intake, S.R lowering springs, J&M adjustable panhard bar, Boss 302 strut tower brace, 3.73 ford racing gears, Bama tuned, BBK shorty headers, Roush Axel backs.
I asked a local differential shop and i was quoted $550 for labor, $250 for parts and the rest for hazmat fees and taxes for $1000 even.

It sucks that people can really rip you off... sometimes I wish i'm a mechanic... a good one though lol not just a pretend mechanic.
IS3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 07:40 PM   #20
Registered Member
Regular
 
5pointYoBro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Nashville
Region: Tennessee
Posts: 730
I've been qouted at one performance shop in Nashville for 742 with me supplying everything. 150 hr for labor and it was cheaper if I let them supply the parts for me

Sent from my HTC One using Mustang Evolution mobile app
__________________
2014 GT. Oxford White.
20" Velgen VMB5s on NT555s.
MBRP Race Series Catback Exhaust
Bama 93 Performance Tune
5pointYoBro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 07:49 PM   #21
Registered Member
Regular
 
JoeyM91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Shawnee
Region: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,840
Quote:
Originally Posted by LavaRedSixxer View Post
I've been qouted at one performance shop in Nashville for 742 with me supplying everything. 150 hr for labor and it was cheaper if I let them supply the parts for me

Sent from my HTC One using Mustang Evolution mobile app
Some shops do that because they think there's a higher chance you'll order the wrong thing or miss something and that's shop time they don't want to use.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
__________________
2011 V6 Race Red - Airaid CAI , BBK 73mm Throttle Body, 3.73 FRPP Gears, BBK Longtube Headers , BBK Off Road X-Pipe , Borla ATAKs , SR Performance Strut Tower Brace, MPT 91R Tune, Powerstop Rotors and pads, JLT Oil Seperator, Koni STR.T Struts & Shocks, Eibach Pro Line Springs, BMR Adjustable Panhard Bar, J&M Caster Camber Plates, Mickey Thompson Street Comps on 19" Laguna Seca Hyper Black Wheels, Several other aesthetic mods
JoeyM91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 08:27 PM   #22
Registered Member
Regular
 
5pointYoBro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Nashville
Region: Tennessee
Posts: 730
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyM91 View Post
Some shops do that because they think there's a higher chance you'll order the wrong thing or miss something and that's shop time they don't want to use.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
Yeah that was their explanation. Wonder if they will change that if I go and show them the parts ahead of time

Sent from my HTC One using Mustang Evolution mobile app
__________________
2014 GT. Oxford White.
20" Velgen VMB5s on NT555s.
MBRP Race Series Catback Exhaust
Bama 93 Performance Tune
5pointYoBro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 10:41 PM   #23
VIG
Registered Member
Regular
 
VIG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wilmington
Region: Delaware
Posts: 1,238
I have a reputable shop saying $350 for labor, and I bring the parts.

I just have to make the time for it.
__________________
IG: workshardplayshard
VIG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 10:53 PM   #24
Registered Member
Regular
 
JR4288's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: San Antonio
Region: Texas
Posts: 220
Quote:
Originally Posted by VIG View Post
I have a reputable shop saying $350 for labor, and I bring the parts.

I just have to make the time for it.
VIG what gearing do you have right now?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Mustang Evolution mobile app
JR4288 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 10:58 PM   #25
VIG
Registered Member
Regular
 
VIG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wilmington
Region: Delaware
Posts: 1,238
2014 v6 Gear Change at dealer

At the moment I have the stock 2.73.

If I upgrade I'm deciding between 3.31 and 3.55 (for various reasons I won't get into in this thread).
__________________
IG: workshardplayshard
VIG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 11:02 PM   #26
Registered Member
Regular
 
5pointYoBro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Nashville
Region: Tennessee
Posts: 730
Quote:
Originally Posted by VIG View Post
I have a reputable shop saying $350 for labor, and I bring the parts.

I just have to make the time for it.
Where da hell do you live haha?
__________________
2014 GT. Oxford White.
20" Velgen VMB5s on NT555s.
MBRP Race Series Catback Exhaust
Bama 93 Performance Tune
5pointYoBro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 11:14 PM   #27
VIG
Registered Member
Regular
 
VIG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wilmington
Region: Delaware
Posts: 1,238
Delaware. Gotta love no sales tax.
__________________
IG: workshardplayshard
VIG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2014, 11:22 PM   #28
Registered Member
Regular
 
5pointYoBro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Nashville
Region: Tennessee
Posts: 730
Ahh crucial, that is nice, but way too far from TN... haha
__________________
2014 GT. Oxford White.
20" Velgen VMB5s on NT555s.
MBRP Race Series Catback Exhaust
Bama 93 Performance Tune
5pointYoBro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2014, 07:35 AM   #29
Registered Member
Regular
 
Voltwings's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Houston
Region: Texas
Posts: 3,450
Paid $250 for my install at a local performance shop. No way in hell would i take something like this to a dealership ... I barely trust other people working on my car as it is, at least people at a performance shop are used to "performance" installs, not just oil changes and reading the service manual.
Voltwings is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 4 Cylinder | V6 | Classic Mustangs || Tech and Talk > 2011-2014 V6 Mustang

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What my trip to the dealer for an oil change turned in to... DiESeven 2011-2014 V6 Mustang 34 08-04-2014 12:13 AM
Royal Purple & Dealer Oil Change? Fritzep 2011-2014 Mustang GT 29 04-22-2013 09:58 PM
To change or not to change? Djulin 2011-2014 Mustang GT 13 04-03-2013 11:20 AM
Gear change progress. SrATEX Pictures and Videos 5 03-01-2006 04:57 PM
Automatic Gear Shift Change luckyman Mustang Audio & Video 9 08-20-2003 07:50 PM

» Like Us On Facebook



03:27 AM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0

MustangEvolution.com is in no way associated with or endorsed by Ford Motor Company.