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Old 10-16-2014, 06:34 PM   #36
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Question for mpt.
When you buy their tune + tunner they give you 3 tunes at first. Can you just order one tune and save the rest for later?
And can you ask them to alter the first tune let's say you install some new parts in.


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Not sure what you mean by save the rest for later?

MPT will give you free revisions for 6 months after you purchase your tune. They won't upgrade the octane level (87 to 91 for example) without you buying a new tune though. If you buy the tuner from them, just get the different octane levels you think you will run. Then have the revisions for 6 months.
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Y'all kept changing my mind left and right about what I want for my car, that, combined with I have no money, and college, I'm going insane!
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Bama 1st. 3 free tunes + free tunes for life. Once your done with your mods get an MPT tune. 93 race.
It's just nice to be able to switch and edit your tunes with BAMAs one time fee.
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Can anyone tell me what a tune will do for a stock manual 3.7? I was just wondering if I should even bother with it until I do some other mods.


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Not sure what you mean by save the rest for later?



MPT will give you free revisions for 6 months after you purchase your tune. They won't upgrade the octane level (87 to 91 for example) without you buying a new tune though. If you buy the tuner from them, just get the different octane levels you think you will run. Then have the revisions for 6 months.

When you buy their tune don't they give you 3 tune for $75?
What I mean is can I use one tune and don't use those 2 until later when I have more mod.


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When you buy their tune don't they give you 3 tune for $75?
What I mean is can I use one tune and don't use those 2 until later when I have more mod.


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I can't decide between bama and steeda!!
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When you buy their tune don't they give you 3 tune for $75?
What I mean is can I use one tune and don't use those 2 until later when I have more mod.


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No, for $75, you get 1 tune only. If you buy their tuner package including the SCT x4 device ($380 if I remember ), then you get 3.

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MPT has this all on their website, the price goes down with the number of tunes you buy.
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As far as a stock 3.7 standard, your gains will be minimal, even going to something like 93. There will be gains, but honestly for the cost of a tuner and tunes, i think it may still leave you wanting compared to a stock car with an auto.

Sakib: I agree with the steeda rep in a sense, that a stock car on 87 there really isn't much tuning they can do to it... that being said, VERY unprofessional on their part if that's really how that conversation went down. I'd be upset as well.
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Sakib: I agree with the steeda rep in a sense, that a stock car on 87 there really isn't much tuning they can do to it... that being said, VERY unprofessional on their part if that's really how that conversation went down. I'd be upset as well.
Good to know, thanks. But is he correct about there is no point in data logging a stock car? My thinking is that even at stock there will be vehicle-to-vehicle differences that will require dialing-in the canned mail order tune with data logging.

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Well, its a grey area because i have no experience tuning mustangs. My experience is with the Cobb software and the Mazdaspeed platform, and if a stock mazda came to me and wanted a tune i could "massage" the factory one a hair to make them happy and would likely not need to log, which is what i imagine Steeda has done... That being said, regardless of how much experience you have, or how many times you have seen this same "massage" work, i don't understand blatantly refusing to look at a datalog because you're right that things are different from car to car.

Unless they only changed the shift points and nothing else; ie: left fueling targets and ignition targets stock, then i don't see why they wouldn't want a datalog to confirm results. Again though, i'm basing a lot of this on speculation.
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Well, its a grey area because i have no experience tuning mustangs. My experience is with the Cobb software and the Mazdaspeed platform, and if a stock mazda came to me and wanted a tune i could "massage" the factory one a hair to make them happy and would likely not need to log, which is what i imagine Steeda has done... That being said, regardless of how much experience you have, or how many times you have seen this same "massage" work, i don't understand blatantly refusing to look at a datalog because you're right that things are different from car to car.

Unless they only changed the shift points and nothing else; ie: left fueling targets and ignition targets stock, then i don't see why they wouldn't want a datalog to confirm results. Again though, i'm basing a lot of this on speculation.
I think they did more than shift points. Last week my butt dyno said 3000-4000 range had pretty good improvement in acceleration. But this week I'm not feeling that anymore, the lag in throttle response is back, and even the shift points have become muddy. I did a fuse 47 pull yesterday, no real improvement. On the way to work I could lock it in second or third and see how it does and let you all know. (There is a good stretch of road where I can safely do this without going over the speed limit.) I'm not thread jacking right? It's a stock car, tune without mods, I think this info will help the OP and others who are thinking of tuning their cars.

Another question, modern engines have closed loop feedback systems that optimize parameters while you're driving around, right? Like based on O2 sensors, exhaust temps and pressures etc. So might not the car's adjustments be adversely affecting the Steeda tune?

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Can anyone tell me what a tune will do for a stock manual 3.7? I was just wondering if I should even bother with it until I do some other mods.


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Do it! Not only does it make the car feel and drive so much better but then there will be no more waiting for updates. you can run your car stock with any tune, then when you buy say an X pipe or headers you just send for a new tune when you order the parts. That way once the parts come and are installed you will already have the tune ready to load!
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The mustangs are actually full time closed loop, i believe we're going to see open loop conditions become a thing of the past with the processing power modern ECUs have. I'd say its relevant to see what gains there are to be had on a stock car with a tune. Unfortunately the nuances of the mustang ECU escape me, so i wouldn't know if the car is "untuning" itself so to speak. I do believe a lot of people mention the throttle going sluggish with the auto however.
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I think they did more than shift points. Last week my butt dyno said 3000-4000 range had pretty good improvement in acceleration. But this week I'm not feeling that anymore, the lag in throttle response is back, and even the shift points have become muddy. I did a fuse 47 pull yesterday, no real improvement. On the way to work I could lock it in second or third and see how it does and let you all know. (There is a good stretch of road where I can safely do this without going over the speed limit.) I'm not thread jacking right? It's a stock car, tune without mods, I think this info will help the OP and others who are thinking of tuning their cars.

Another question, modern engines have closed loop feedback systems that optimize parameters while you're driving around, right? Like based on O2 sensors, exhaust temps and pressures etc. So might not the car's adjustments be adversely affecting the Steeda tune?

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I think your right. I tend to notice that every now and again when i load a new tune its great at first. 2 days later it feels pretty blah... If its a closed loop system then what needs to happen is the loop needs to be opened. Either by disconecting the front o2 sensor or both. Its how I got my last car to drive with boost. Everytime I hit 4-5 psi the car would just stutter and jerk. Disconect the o2 and suddenly it was hauling a$$.
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Front o2s measure AFR, rears measure catalyst efficiency right? Dont know that i'd be ok removing them lol. Granted, i've seen stranger things happen... I had a buddy with an old Mitsubishi lancer and the thing ran like **** with the MAF sensor attached, so one day he just removed it lol. Car purred like a kitten after that o_O
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Front o2s measure AFR, rears measure catalyst efficiency right? Dont know that i'd be ok removing them lol. Granted, i've seen stranger things happen... I had a buddy with an old Mitsubishi lancer and the thing ran like **** with the MAF sensor attached, so one day he just removed it lol. Car purred like a kitten after that o_O
I wasn't suggesting removing I was saying to disconnect them. just unplug them while leaving them in the exhaust. I did the same thing with my old Hyundai. ran like crap then as soon unplugged the front o2 it ran just fine.
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Like i said, stranger things have happened haha. Itd be interesting to have a log with the Front o2s "out of commission" and see what the computer tries to do.
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You get 2 tunes, but you just choose two octane levels. I got 87 and 93. I haven't tried the 93 yet, I've only been tuned for 1 week now. Steeda doesn't have "race" or "street" tunes the way BAMA does.

I have to say though, the 87 is leaving a lot to be desired. I'm in communication with Steeda right now to try to get this dialed in, but unfortunately the customer service rep I've been talking to on the phone (Patrick) is a real d-bag and just said "well, that's because you have a stock car. What did you expect, that you would put this tune on your stock car and be blown away by the improvement?" I asked if they will look at a datalog for me and he said "no, if you have a stock car then datalogging won't do anything, we have thousands of cars out there running the same tune." That is NOT good customer service. I'm in email communication with someone named Matt. I hope I have better luck with him.

Just an FYI; I've been reading posts about 87 octane tunes for the last year and the general consensus is that there isn't much difference. The general feeling on the forums indicate that 91 or higher will show a noticeable difference in performance, especially with an automatic, stock or otherwise.
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Like i said, stranger things have happened haha. Itd be interesting to have a log with the Front o2s "out of commission" and see what the computer tries to do.
Yes deffinately. Im curious too, someone should also data log their car right after a reflash, then again a few days later and a 3rd time when things start to feel "sluggish"

Maybe then we would be able to see if the ECU is in fact "de-tuning" itself a bit. I know it wont go all the way back to stock but seams like everytime somone loads a tune it feels like " magic" and a week later its not as responsive or as magical as it once was a couple weeks prior. i doubt its that your getting used to it but I could be wrong.



Sakib...why are you only running 87? 91 or 93 is only 3-$5 more a fill up
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You're in Texas now Boss lol, we got the good stuff!
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If Steeda is unable to improve the results of the 87, I will request them to replace the 87 tune with 91 so that my two included tunes are 91 and 93. I'll send them a video of me deleting the 87 if they want. But let's see what, if anything, they can do with the 87 before I do that.

I did a 2nd gear pull 0-40 mph in a large empty parking lot on my way to work. There was too much traffic on the road I spoke of earlier to do it safely there. It felt alright, better than stock. Hard to say if it's any worse than it was a week ago. It does feel like whatever they're doing kicks in right at 3K rpm. Might try going back to stock to compare, unless Steeda gets back to me with other things they want to try.
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If Steeda is unable to improve the results of the 87, I will request them to replace the 87 tune with 91 so that my two included tunes are 91 and 93. I'll send them a video of me deleting the 87 if they want. But let's see what, if anything, they can do with the 87 before I do that.

I did a 2nd gear pull 0-40 mph in a large empty parking lot on my way to work. There was too much traffic on the road I spoke of earlier to do it safely there. It felt alright, better than stock. Hard to say if it's any worse than it was a week ago. It does feel like whatever they're doing kicks in right at 3K rpm. Might try going back to stock to compare, unless Steeda gets back to me with other things they want to try.

You can PM the Steeda rep for this forum, tj@steeda , and see if he can assist you. He's really good at helping out the forum members.


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Absolutely, TJ is great and he's the one who put me in touch with Steeda a couple weeks ago when I decided to go with them. Since I'm in active communication with Steeda by email I'll hold off on enlisting his support and continue working with Steeda the conventional way, unless things get worse, or unless TJ reads this thread and decides to step in himself. Thanks for the tip though!
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Absolutely, TJ is great and he's the one who put me in touch with Steeda a couple weeks ago when I decided to go with them. Since I'm in active communication with Steeda by email I'll hold off on enlisting his support and continue working with Steeda the conventional way, unless things get worse, or unless TJ reads this thread and decides to step in himself. Thanks for the tip though!


Fair enough, keep us posted. This puts me back on the fence concerning Steeda unless this can be resolve properly.


BTW, since Steeda gives you 2 tunes for life, is it only the octane that you can specify or does Steeda have a form that asks you how each tune should be. There's very little info on Steeda's website concerning tunes and their procedure. I wish I didn't have to go to a forum to find this info when the seller of a product should indicate this info up front. Look at MPT's site and it's all there. Thanks in advance.
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Steeda gives you "tunes for life" not just two tunes. I've received 5 different ones so far. I like the 91 octane performance tune the best.

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Steeda gives you "tunes for life" not just two tunes. I've received 5 different ones so far. I like the 91 octane performance tune the best.

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Oh yeah you're right, I knew that, I don't know why I said the thing about deleting the 87 tune. Comes with 2 tunes pre-loaded, but I should be able to get a 91 from them for free if I'm unsatisfied with the 87 and don't want to pay for 93 every fill-up.

What do you mean by 91 "performance", that must be an old thing. Now they don't have "performance" tunes, they are all the same, just different octane levels.

Update: Matt from Steeda just emailed me an apology for Patrick and said that he will take over my case. He asked for my tuner serial number and said they will get me another test tune. Here's hoping for good stuff! Would be awesome if they can get it to me by the end of today so that I can test it all weekend long.
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Fair enough, keep us posted. This puts me back on the fence concerning Steeda unless this can be resolve properly.


BTW, since Steeda gives you 2 tunes for life, is it only the octane that you can specify or does Steeda have a form that asks you how each tune should be. There's very little info on Steeda's website concerning turns and their procedure. I wish I didn't have to go to a forum to find this info when the seller of a product should indicate this info up front. Look at MPT's site and it's all there. Thanks in advance.
Sorry MustangDawg, I didn't read the question you asked earlier. Just noticed it now. I think it's because you didn't put a question mark at the end of your first sentence. You only specify the octane. They will tell you that BAMA has "street", "performance" and "race" tunes because one is "bad", one is "better", and one is "good". Steeda says they just have one tune that it is good. lol. Take it with a grain of salt, that is customer service of a company talking, of course they want to talk down the competition.
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MPT has the same thing. 1 performance tune with different octanes. You just pick "chill", "street", or "race" shift aggressiveness.

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Is MPT any good for manuals over BAMA?
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Is MPT any good for manuals over BAMA?
I should get my not tune on tuesday and I will let you know.

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So would it be safe to say a tuner is the best initial "mod"? You get performance just from the tuner, but it also will increase the performance of every mod you may want to make in the future. If this is the case, I need one ASAP!!!

A tune can also void your warranty so beware. But yea theyre pretty sweet, plus if you add a new performance part you can have a new tune sent out to ya to include it



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Sorry MustangDawg, I didn't read the question you asked earlier. Just noticed it now. I think it's because you didn't put a question mark at the end of your first sentence. You only specify the octane. They will tell you that BAMA has "street", "performance" and "race" tunes because one is "bad", one is "better", and one is "good". Steeda says they just have one tune that it is good. lol. Take it with a grain of salt, that is customer service of a company talking, of course they want to talk down the competition.
Thanks for the response and info. So what you've indicated is that Steeda only asks for the octane for the tune. They take care of the rest concerning shift points for the automatic. It makes sense that there isn't a race, performance or street tune. I only really need 1 tune for 91 octane. That's all I've ever put in the tank since day one. What I do like about MPT, is the choice of shifts for my automatic and a few other variables on their form. Is there some sort of form that Steeda has you fill out concerning the mods and specifics on your car after you've ordered the SCT tuner?
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A tune can also void your warranty so beware. But yea theyre pretty sweet, plus if you add a new performance part you can have a new tune sent out to ya to include it



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Thanks for the response and info. So what you've indicated is that Steeda only asks for the octane for the tune. They take care of the rest concerning shift points for the automatic. It makes sense that there isn't a race, performance or street tune. I only really need 1 tune for 91 octane. That's all I've ever put in the tank since day one. What I do like about MPT, is the choice of shifts for my automatic and a few other variables on their form. Is there some sort of form that Steeda has you fill out concerning the mods and specifics on your car after you've ordered the SCT tuner?
Yes, there is a build form. You can access it from the website now before buying it even. It's at the very bottom, under Tunes, called "Tune Build Form"

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