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Old 10-16-2014, 02:31 AM   #1
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Real or fake? Anyone tried this?

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I don't believe. What do want it to do (or think it does?)
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I'd say it probably does do something with the signal since our throttle is drive by wire. BUT I can guarantee a proper tune could do the exact same thing.

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ABSOLUTELY REAL.

I've been a Porsche guy most of my "car hobby" years, and Porsche guys have been installing those (SprintBooster brand) and been very pleased for years. Plus it does not require any tuning, is easily removed (doesn't leave traces like a tune, etc.) for warranty denials, etc.

It completely changes the throttle response / pedal sensitivity... in a good way. It makes you feel like you have more horsepower, but all it does it just give it a lot more gas, a lot easier. I'm just used to stomping the pedal to near WOT to get the same action.
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well I am tagging this for future feedback. Seems like a tune would accomplish this but maybe it is more aggressive that the tune usually does? Maybe we can get an AM guy input from BAMA or something?
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According to the TMS thread, yes. I hope to see some more reviews of people with 11-14 V6s here. My main question is whether or not this adversely affects aftermarket tunes. Another question is the long-term performance. I'm currently running Steeda tunes.
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All it is is a signal amplifier I did research on that a couple of months ago but for 300 bucks 2 guys garage did a 0 -60 ft with and without and that time didn't impress me to much I forget what it was cool part though

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b ut doesn't all it do is make your throttle more sensative? If so there is only feeling that is changed NOT acctual power or speed in the 1/4. I've driven slow cars where the mfr tricks you by making the 1st 1/2" of throttle tip in real sharp. You think it has lots of power but all you loose is the ability to drive smooth.

I admit to not trying one of these so it's speculation only.
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b ut doesn't all it do is make your throttle more sensative? If so there is only feeling that is changed NOT acctual power or speed in the 1/4. I've driven slow cars where the mfr tricks you by making the 1st 1/2" of throttle tip in real sharp. You think it has lots of power but all you loose is the ability to drive smooth.

I admit to not trying one of these so it's speculation only.

What I've gotten from the sprint booster is its just an amplifier. Because we're using fly by not cable when you floor the gas say it takes 1 full second for you computer to recognize that (not actual time) the booster will amplify the signal so it would be like 1/2 a second ...... Those are not real times just example
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The benefit here is that you are not tuning the car and voiding the warranty. If you have a tune, you may still enjoy this mod but the same could be had by adjusting the throttle parameters in the tune.

But again, for those who swear against losing the warranty, seems like a fun buy.
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It works, believe me.

Is it worth the 300bucks though
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Idk if the fly by system works off the ecu

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Is the throttle lag really that bad? Personally, I don't really think so.

Interesting piece of gear though nonetheless..
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Is the throttle lag really that bad? Personally, I don't really think so.

Interesting piece of gear though nonetheless..
I think it is. Foot meets floor=wait, wait, go. Should be floor=go
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I think it is. Foot meets floor=wait, wait, go. Should be floor=go

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I wish I would have tried it without my E-Force so I could give a more applicable comment, but it has made my car much more awesome to drive. It seems to give me more power down low, and the boost comes quicker, and more linear.

I'm not sure how it works with a V6, but I can assume it will be good. Well worth the price.
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Hmm maybe I'll pick one up there's a shop by me selling them that's how I found out about it
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Maybe this is going to be an awesome mod for all of you running/going to run procharger on your car. I am expecting low end tq to be somewhat close to that of a turbo, if not same/better.

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Maybe this is going to be an awesome mod for all of you running/going to run procharger on your car. I am expecting low end tq to be somewhat close to that of a turbo, if not same/better.

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But it's not changing the low end torque, as I understand it. Just changing the throttle response. Like, your engine isn't going to be producing any more torque at 3000 rpm than it is now... Just the pedal position is going to correspond to a wider open throttle position than it did without the device. So the end effect will be that you are feeling the power sooner, but that doesn't mean you have more low end torque.

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But it's not changing the low end torque, as I understand it. Just changing the throttle response. Like, your engine isn't going to be producing any more torque at 3000 rpm than it is now... Just the pedal position is going to correspond to a wider open throttle position than it did without the device. So the end effect will be that you are feeling the power sooner, but that doesn't mean you have more low end torque.

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Yep.. U hit it on the nail I'll probably buy one after some other things

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The sprint booster seems to be interesting... it amplifies the signal from the throttle to the the TB.

The pedal box seems to function as an Overdrive / sports mode

I think the sprint booster is worth the try. I hope it doesn't mess up the tune ....

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But it's not changing the low end torque, as I understand it. Just changing the throttle response. Like, your engine isn't going to be producing any more torque at 3000 rpm than it is now... Just the pedal position is going to correspond to a wider open throttle position than it did without the device. So the end effect will be that you are feeling the power sooner, but that doesn't mean you have more low end torque.

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True that! I should have been more clear on that, I was meaning to say throttle response down low could come close to that of turbo I guess?

On a different note, I'm curious if pedalmax on a stock tune is going to give driveability of a tuned car? - nice kick in the pants and even flow of power?

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I'm going to try to give you another analogy.

Imagine an old rack&pinion steering wheel with play in it. It would take 2 complete turns to get the wheels all the way around to the most turned point.
And worse there's a little wiggle each way before it actually starts turning the wheels.

That's kind of like the pedal response. The pedal isn't very sensitive from the factory by default and it takes a big change in pedal location for throttle changes.

Its kind of a safety mechanism... imagine if you're driving on a bumpy road and the pedal was so sensative that the bumps in the road causing slightly pressing the gas more caused changes in the throttle.

Anyway, now you put the sprint booster on, it removes the play in that old steering wheel so as soon as you start turning it starts going the direction you want and makes it so you only have to turn the weel 180 degrees either direction to get the full turn radius.

I know its kind of a weird analogy, but that's what it does... sharper / faster response so it might make you a little faster b/c the higher sensitivity + amplified throttle signal equals an overall faster increase in gas or faster to WOT.

It DOES not make your car more powerful in anyway, but it can make your reactions a little faster and pedal more sensitive, which MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE ITS FASTER.

I think its a great "mod" for someone who doesn't want to ACTUALLY mod their car.
No warranty issues. No changes to the engine, tune, etc. It just makes the car think you have a lead foot.

And it should work fine with tunes, though you'd probably have a very sensitive pedal as you'd have the programmed increase in throttle response from the tune + extra from the SprintBooster. But I think there may be a limit and that they 2 are not cummulative.

It would be a fun toy.... to tell someone you could make their car faster in 5 minutes with this small black thing in your hand... install it & tell them to go take a spin. Then take it back and not tell them what it was!
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How bout this video http://youtu.be/rawvJop772E so basically the booster is doing the same thing just electronically no cables
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and I wonder if what some call throttle lag is just lack of torque (or from what I've read slow AT shifting programing) I still think most of the differance would be in feel not real power. I can't imagine it takes more than .1 secs to go from no gas to mat gas. I know my V6 MT has good engine response in fact my only issue (besides not V8) is throttle hang which I believe is for pollution reasons to burn all the gas in the manifold

Tommy, I see your mods (wicked nice ride) and wonder if your love of this is just your tuner gave you a non-sensative pedal? respect bro...
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Would it be safe to imagine that your car would go quicker through rpms if coupled with pedalmax? Much like going from 3.31 to 3.55 gears if not more.

Would it also give smooth delivery of power? I don't know about 5.0 but in 3.7s, there's a little jerk around 3000k before it really starts pulling away.

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Would it be safe to imagine that your car would go quicker through rpms if coupled with pedalmax? Much like going from 3.31 to 3.55 gears if not more.

Would it also give smooth delivery of power? I don't know about 5.0 but in 3.7s, there's a little jerk around 3000k before it really starts pulling away.

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Not quicker threw rpms I doesn't not change power if you have 350 hp you will still have 350 same with tourqe and all it does is send the message that u pushed the gas to the ecu faster
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Just watch that video of Eric the car guy how he explains the cable is loose basically same thing with the booster your tightening your cable (metaphorically we don't have cables)
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