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Old 11-06-2014, 09:00 PM   #71
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I figured you would be over the 325 rwhp mark based on all your mods. Just to compare and share my power mods I had for my dyno day

91 MPT tune
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Kona...what gas are you running ? 93 ? Is your tune set for 93 octane ?


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It's a 91 MPT. That's a 91 octane tune.

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The number, 87, 89, etc, is the octane
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It's a 91 MPT. That's a 91 octane tune.

---------- Post added at 11:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:51 PM ----------

The number, 87, 89, etc, is the octane

Oh yeah...DUH!! It says it...didn't notice.


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Kona...what gas are you running ? 93 ? Is your tune set for 93 octane ? Not all the gas stations in my area carry 93 octane gas. Some carry 92 and some 91 octane but majority do have 93 gas


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My tune is 91 but typically I fill 93 octane. On the dyno day I had 93 octane fuel but it's 91 tune. Not all the gas stations in my area carry 93 octane gas. Some carry 92 and some 91 octane but majority do have 93 gas

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My tune is 91 but typically I fill 93 octane. On the dyno day I had 93 octane fuel but it's 91 tune. Not all the gas stations in my area carry 93 octane gas. Some carry 92 and some 91 octane but majority do have 93 gas

The Mustang Source Website is complete trash.

Aaahhhh...well that explains a bit. CA only 91 man...max.

Anyhow...gonna look into the issue with someone next week and figure out what the **** is going on. I may want to revert to stock heads and see...know someone who sells salvaged parts from totaled cars. Then see what numbers it pulls. Kinda bummed.

Even without cams and ported heads I should be doing that....I think...



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Aaahhhh...well that explains a bit. CA only 91 man...max.

Anyhow...gonna look into the issue with someone next week and figure out what the **** is going on. I may want to revert to stock heads and see...know someone who sells salvaged parts from totaled cars. Then see what numbers it pulls. Kinda bummed.

Even without cams and ported heads I should be doing that....I think...



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I totally agree. You got some serious mods bro. Should I decide to go with any additional power mods I will be going right to the ProCharger supercharger. I am NOT going to waste my money and time on a larger throttle body, port and polish, and larger cams. The gains just don't seem to be worth it.

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Put down the accessories catalog and step away! We are here to help you!

Honestly it's neat to put in some work modding a car but the level of small nick-nack stuff is way over the top to me. To each their own I guess.
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I saw the first two images and said "Damn that looks good..." But the sides don't do it for me. Too much going on.

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I saw the first two images and said "Damn that looks good..." But the sides don't do it for me. Too much going on.

Luke 11:9-10 “So I say to you ...*search and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

It was the engine bay that got me. Maybe I'm too much of a minimalist but that looks like someone went crazy in the pepboys clearance bin. But again, if it makes him happy, who am I to say it's wrong?
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The Throttle body spacer isn't doing you any favors, but I would tend to agree a less than perfect head job and possibly that fan blowing out are your main issues.

The spacer isn't a good idea because while it does give you some low end torque, it ends up creating turbulence in the plenum on the high end, choking it out. Losing more up top than you gain down low.

Those things were meant for trucks to help with towing and older cars.

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My tune is 91 but typically I fill 93 octane. On the dyno day I had 93 octane fuel but it's 91 tune. Not all the gas stations in my area carry 93 octane gas. Some carry 92 and some 91 octane but majority do have 93 gas

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I dont get that, why the hell are their 3 different kinds of Premium fuel?! just make it all 93 and be done with it....


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The Throttle body spacer isn't doing you any favors, but I would tend to agree a less than perfect head job and possibly that fan blowing out are your main issues.

The spacer isn't a good idea because while it does give you some low end torque, it ends up creating turbulence in the plenum on the high end, choking it out. Losing more up top than you gain down low.

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There's a lot of mods that on most other cars make a difference that this car just doesn't seam to like. Camaro's with TB spacers are looking at 6-8 hp gains (not sure if its up top or where it is) Now there's a guy on the Cyclone Mustang FB page who made an intake manifold spacer. 1.25" thick and when he dynoed he appeared to gain some thing. Not sure if it has to do with the heat soak of the engine wasnt there anymore or what, but I think thermal spacers could help. Nothing too think, maybe .5"-1" more like an anti heat absorbing gasket. slap one between the TB and Upper intake another between the lower and heads. Just to keep the heat in the engine where it belongs. However I think the IMs are made of a heat resistant material to begin with so they would have very minimal heat soak anyways.

From what I've noticed and seen is that unless you have a nice big block and your dragging it only there is really no reason for any street car to have aftermarket cams or port and polish. I have seen some gains with none valve timing cars that improve with cams but the amount of VVt we have it almost seams pointless to do any cam work. The cost Vs benefit is not worth it. Now if its FREE work and parts then hell go right ahead...its free!
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I dont get that, why the hell are their 3 different kinds of Premium fuel?! just make it all 93 and be done with it....




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There's a lot of mods that on most other cars make a difference that this car just doesn't seam to like. Camaro's with TB spacers are looking at 6-8 hp gains (not sure if its up top or where it is) Now there's a guy on the Cyclone Mustang FB page who made an intake manifold spacer. 1.25" thick and when he dynoed he appeared to gain some thing. Not sure if it has to do with the heat soak of the engine wasnt there anymore or what, but I think thermal spacers could help. Nothing too think, maybe .5"-1" more like an anti heat absorbing gasket. slap one between the TB and Upper intake another between the lower and heads. Just to keep the heat in the engine where it belongs. However I think the IMs are made of a heat resistant material to begin with so they would have very minimal heat soak anyways.

From what I've noticed and seen is that unless you have a nice big block and your dragging it only there is really no reason for any street car to have aftermarket cams or port and polish. I have seen some gains with none valve timing cars that improve with cams but the amount of VVt we have it almost seams pointless to do any cam work. The cost Vs benefit is not worth it. Now if its FREE work and parts then hell go right ahead...its free!
Some even carry 94 octane, few places carry 100 octane
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Some even carry 94 octane, few places carry 100 octane
You know what gets me, you can find 106 octane at select VP stations. theres like 5-6 in San Diego, 10 in Orange County and not sure but I assume theres a few in LA...why? lol
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You know what gets me, you can find 106 octane at select VP stations. theres like 5-6 in San Diego, 10 in Orange County and not sure but I assume theres a few in LA...why? lol
That makes no sense. You'll never use it's potential
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I saw the first two images and said "Damn that looks good..." But the sides don't do it for me. Too much going on.

Luke 11:9-10 “So I say to you ...*search and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

I think it may be the rocker stripes that give you that impression...that's the last thing I did and whilst I like it, it may be the touch that pushes the side over the edge.


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It was the engine bay that got me. Maybe I'm too much of a minimalist but that looks like someone went crazy in the pepboys clearance bin. But again, if it makes him happy, who am I to say it's wrong?

Do you mean the stickers ?


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The Throttle body spacer isn't doing you any favors, but I would tend to agree a less than perfect head job and possibly that fan blowing out are your main issues.

The spacer isn't a good idea because while it does give you some low end torque, it ends up creating turbulence in the plenum on the high end, choking it out. Losing more up top than you gain down low.

Those things were meant for trucks to help with towing and older cars.

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Ok...yes that is something I thought about. But since I rarely drive it at high rpms, it may be better for my style of driving to have the lower end torque sacrificing some hp up high...

I mean I guess my question is : "if I prefer torque to high rpm hp...should I keep the throttle spacer ?"...and this is if I just don't care about the numbers.


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That makes no sense. You'll never use it's potential
If you get a tune for it you can use most of what it has to offer. I have a MPT 100+ Octane tune and I love it. Best one I have but I only use it when doing road course work. Mainly because it's so expensive around OK. About $8 gal.
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If you get a tune for it you can use most of what it has to offer. I have a MPT 100+ Octane tune and I love it. Best one I have but I only use it when doing road course work. Mainly because it's so expensive around OK. About $8 gal.
I meant in that area. Too much traffic.
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I dont get that, why the hell are their 3 different kinds of Premium fuel?! just make it all 93 and be done with it....









Sorry you live there....took me 6 years to finally get the hell out. Worst of all your in LA.... I feel for ya...











There's a lot of mods that on most other cars make a difference that this car just doesn't seam to like. Camaro's with TB spacers are looking at 6-8 hp gains (not sure if its up top or where it is) Now there's a guy on the Cyclone Mustang FB page who made an intake manifold spacer. 1.25" thick and when he dynoed he appeared to gain some thing. Not sure if it has to do with the heat soak of the engine wasnt there anymore or what, but I think thermal spacers could help. Nothing too think, maybe .5"-1" more like an anti heat absorbing gasket. slap one between the TB and Upper intake another between the lower and heads. Just to keep the heat in the engine where it belongs. However I think the IMs are made of a heat resistant material to begin with so they would have very minimal heat soak anyways.



From what I've noticed and seen is that unless you have a nice big block and your dragging it only there is really no reason for any street car to have aftermarket cams or port and polish. I have seen some gains with none valve timing cars that improve with cams but the amount of VVt we have it almost seams pointless to do any cam work. The cost Vs benefit is not worth it. Now if its FREE work and parts then hell go right ahead...its free!

I agree at this point...

I guess my questions are :

1. Is there any PROBLEM with the engine. Meaning...some mods may not be working much, but I want to first make sure there are no issues...NOTHING BROKEN DOROTHY!

2. I do not want to go forced induction...I am a lover of NA engines and want to keep it that way. So BIG question - " WHAT IS THE CYCLONE MUSTANG NA THAT PULLED THE BIGGEST NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WHAT WERE THE MODS ?"


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You know what gets me, you can find 106 octane at select VP stations. theres like 5-6 in San Diego, 10 in Orange County and not sure but I assume theres a few in LA...why? lol

If you are running a tune done for 91 gas, and you put in 100...isn't that gonna screw up your engine ?


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Anyhow...will post the dyno chart soon had to leave town for work 3 days this morning.

Plan is to get regular heads back on and retest, kinda step down and rebuild.

Tuner was impressed...he says for a V6 it's doing more than 3v GT's...but if you guys say I should have more...

I mean without the cams and the ported heads, which is the 2 areas that concern me all considered...what do you think I should be realistically pulling with everything else ?


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I meant in that area. Too much traffic.

You have no idea what traffic is until you live here.

Yesterday driving back up the parking lot 405 (the world's biggest daily traffic jam) to go home, with a burned out fan...I almost got an ulcer.


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Anyhow...will post the dyno chart soon had to leave town for work 3 days this morning.

Plan is to get regular heads back on and retest, kinda step down and rebuild.

Tuner was impressed...he says for a V6 it's doing more than 3v GT's...but if you guys say I should have more...

I mean without the cams and the ported heads, which is the 2 areas that concern me all considered...what do you think I should be realistically pulling with everything else ?


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Your tunner is not verry bright.
It makes more than a stock 3v
But barely.


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Did your buddy do the heads in his garage? Or what? Flow test b4 and after? Or just say I know how to do heads and you let him

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You have no idea what traffic is until you live here.

Yesterday driving back up the parking lot 405 (the world's biggest daily traffic jam) to go home, with a burned out fan...I almost got an ulcer.


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Yeah he did...

I mean, in my garage.

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I honestly believe the heads are your problem. Bc you can't just simply port heads and get results.
It's a precise process.
And doing it by hand, you better be 110% bad ***. Ask someone who started out doing it by hand how many heads became door stops, and legs for work benches etc.

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I honestly believe the heads are your problem. Bc you can't just simply port heads and get results.
It's a precise process.
And doing it by hand, you better be 110% bad ***. Ask someone who started out doing it by hand how many heads became door stops, and legs for work benches etc.

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I'll get stock ones from a salvaged motor and see what goes.

Without heads and cams on my mods what do you think will be the numbers ? I'll probably go down from here correct ? I mean what else can I do really...


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Old 11-07-2014, 10:25 AM   #104
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I'll get stock ones from a salvaged motor and see what goes.

Without heads and cams on my mods what do you think will be the numbers ? I'll probably go down from here correct ? I mean what else can I do really...


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Here's the video, may help :

http://youtu.be/BuwYazrOcRk


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Old 11-07-2014, 10:27 AM   #105
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I also have an average mpg of 11.5...at least that's what the dash is telling me.


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