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Old 01-28-2015, 05:20 PM   #106
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I don't know for a fact they are selling it for that much, Joey said he heard a rumor. I'm just stating my thoughts on the kit costing $5600.


If your paying $5500 for the P1SC procharger kit your getting ripped off. I can get a a kit with upgraded D1SC head unit for close to $5K


The turbo will make more torque sure. The equalizer is gearing for the procharger, I already have 3.73, which is way to much gear for a big torque turbo setup without blowing the tires off everywhere. I would put my 3.31 back in for a turbo setup.
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Lol, check out lethal performance, then add forum discount, or maybe CFM with club discount or possibly American Muscle with discount and free shipping. You have to add the discount in. CFM has the best deal by the way with the club discount.

Should I go on? Again if your paying those prices your getting ripped off.
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With 6% forum discount the procharger kit would be $5,185. Me personally, that's what I would go with based on my set up but I have 3:73 gearing and long tube headers both which are a no go for a turbo kit. I will gladly sacrifice some torque with the supercharger and make up some with having the 3:73 gearing.
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Well I went to cfm performance did a procharger with upgraded D1SC helical gears, cold air intake, standard finish. Added drop in 80 lb. 3.7 v6 injectors (possibly e85) , took 5% off (it could be a bigger discount, not sure what club discount is) total was $5171.


I already have MPT, so whatever they would charge to tune it.


I already have 3.73 gears, full bolt ons including intake manifolds, shorties, o/r h pipe. Should be pretty stout.


I have a tial wastegate and tial bov already sitting around waiting for something.
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So go with that that is a really good set up. if for some reason the turbo doesn't work out I will also be going with that kit from CFM , but with the P1SC since I daily and don't track it too much

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I'm still going to shop around, see what Bomber says and even check with LPF again to see if they are willing to deal. I really want a turbo kit but I'd be ok with a procharger if the turbo purchase falls through. I was just shocked by the "rumor" of the Bomber kit being $5600 after Hugo posted on facebook of around $4700. That's why I'm going to contact them, can't go by internet hearsay.
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Its around 4500/4700 with a tuner and a tune from MPT ... Idk where the crazy price came from. that's directly from him

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$5600 count me out. I'm not going to go through the whole this is what we expect price to be (which was $4500 initially, then said probably $4700 which I was fine with) then jack the price up to hell $5600. LPF did the same thing with the full kit when it initially came out. I had the money then and passed. To try to make the LPF turbo kit look more appeasing price wise after they changed the initial price they sold options in the kit. But you still got less for your money then the initial price which was released.
I can understand being off $200-$300 from what you say but almost $900 additional, no thanks. Have fun selling maybe 3 to 5 kits for $5600. The person who comes out with a reliable $4.5k kit is going to be making all the money. I refuse to pay for price gouging.

A Good turbo this size is going to cost ~$2000 give or take, a good intercooler will be $800-1000, a good wastegate will be $300-400, manifolds are going to be $800-1000 each ... There are a LOT of components to a turbo kit, which the company obviously still has to make money off of. Most kits are going to be around that much, i honestly wouldnt trust a $4500 kit because that means you're getting something sub-par somewhere.
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A Good turbo this size is going to cost ~$2000 give or take, a good intercooler will be $800-1000, a good wastegate will be $300-400, manifolds are going to be $800-1000 each ... There are a LOT of components to a turbo kit, which the company obviously still has to make money off of. Most kits are going to be around that much, i honestly wouldnt trust a $4500 kit because that means you're getting something sub-par somewhere.
I know exactly how much stuff cost. I've fully forged, built, turbocharged and tuned my 5 spd awd Eagle Summit Van. Its sitting at 452 HP / 405 wtq. I built the thing myself. If I could weld I would build my own kit for my mustang, but because I can't it adds to time and money. I know I could buy quality partse needed to turbo for $3k-3.5k. I just don't have the time to have my car down to fab everything up and have it welded.
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I'm still going to shop around, see what Bomber says and even check with LPF again to see if they are willing to deal. I really want a turbo kit but I'd be ok with a procharger if the turbo purchase falls through. I was just shocked by the "rumor" of the Bomber kit being $5600 after Hugo posted on facebook of around $4700. That's why I'm going to contact them, can't go by internet hearsay.






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Its around 4500/4700 with a tuner and a tune from MPT ... Idk where the crazy price came from. that's directly from him

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I'd kind of agree with Volt though, I have my suspicions about a $4500-4700 kit.


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The lpf kit is 4200 if you don't go oiless or triple bearing.
The options are what adds up

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Sounds like there are too many kids in garages building kits. They have no proven track records for reliability or performance amongst the greater public besides maybe Procharger...i love the idea but I could never spend 5k on any of these...it's just too up in the air with everything. **** just installing one of these improperly could **** you over.
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You think mpt which is like the godfather of tuning for us 3.7L is going to put there name up with this kit if they thought it was faulty?

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i honestly wouldnt trust a $4500 kit because that means you're getting something sub-par somewhere.
I partially agree - you just have to see the overall design of the kit before you can deem it worthy of $xxxxx. A more efficiently designed kit could be cheaper than one that's not designed as well (of course, that doesn't stop companies from charging extra because their design is better).

For example: LPF's replaces one of the exhaust manifolds, and the Bomber Kit doesn't even touch them. That could be cost-savings for Bomber, which can then be passed onto the customer. I mean, Hellion's kit was just about a whole grand more, and their kit was a maze of pipes - truly a work of art but you're definitely paying to have more material.

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The ATI kit from Bomber costs $4,500 (w/out handheld tuner) and includes the Custom Supercharged Tune from MPT (valued at $600). The base price for LPF's kit is $4,350 but does not include tune or injectors. After purchasing the minimum options needed for the kit, you are looking at $5,300+ for LPF's kit. That's $800+ more than Bomber's base price. That being said, this is quoted via email directly from Justin at Limitless Performance about his opinion of the Bomber5c Turbo Kit by Hugo from Bomber Performance:


"There's not a comparison[between our kit and Bomber's]. We use stainless 304 material. A[n] intercooler nearly twice the size for consistent HP and intake air temp. Pull after pull. Fully tig welded dual wastegates and a 50mm bov. Our kits are on many daily driven cars many over 20,000 miles; all without failure. We use American made turbos that cost from 1100-2000 dollars depending on the selection and has a 1 year warranty, the other kit[Bomber5c] has a offbrand 300 turbo. We have a 3.5 " maf housing that we have made over 800whp on. our kit is proven to be capable of well over 800whp. We make more TQ and HP. On 9 psi we've made 475 and 525+tq on 15-16.5 we made over 600whp and 640tq with pump gas 93 octane timing. We have yet to do a race gas tune like he did we will here in 2weeks we are doing multiple videos of dyno pulls and numbers. We have 12+ kits on the road. His kit[Hugo's kit] was an attempt to slightly use our design that we designed and tested for months. Our kit is proven as many know it has been lined up with many high HP cars in a lot of video's with the same resultseach time nearly never losing the cars drive like they did from the factory with better mpg actually. That is until you get on the throttle lol. We also use expensive stainless steel flex section in our kit to ensure fitment durability and anti vibration etc. And everything is vband connections including the turbo inlet and outlet no gaskets or bolts."


Personally, I am torn between the two kits. In my opinion, they each have potential and both seem to be moderately priced. But as they say, you get what you pay for. Since the Bomber5c kit simply doesn't have any proper "field testing" yet, we don't know the actual quality of the product. The only thing we can do now is wait until a few customers have his turbo on their vehicles and let his kit speak for itself, whether good or bad.
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I trust the bomber kit simply because mpt is backing it up. They wouldn't hitch their reputation on a dud.
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I trust the bomber kit simply because mpt is backing it up. They wouldn't hitch their reputation on a dud.
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You think mpt which is like the godfather of tuning for us 3.7L is going to put there name up with this kit if they thought it was faulty?

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SO its a 100% reliable kit? There wont be ANY issues with it 500, 2000 or even 40k miles down the road? Thanks for the info.
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SO its a 100% reliable kit? There wont be ANY issues with it 500, 2000 or even 40k miles down the road? Thanks for the info.
Sure there could be issues, but that's with all FI. You could bolt a procharger on and have issues 500, 2000 or even 40k down the road. If you want maximum reliability then don't mod the car.
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Sure there could be issues, but that's with all FI. You could bolt a procharger on and have issues 500, 2000 or even 40k down the road. If you want maximum reliability then don't mod the car.
If you want maximum reliability just don't get a car...
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I feel you guys are arguing the difference between "Good," and "Good enough."
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I'm just trying to make a point...people are saying because MPT has made a tune for this kit it suddenly makes it better? Your right though, if you want 100% reliability then don't ever touch your car but I'm not being as stupidly anal about it...I'm talking about the fact that a major company like Procharger has more to lose if **** goes bad with their kits than MPT or LPF or any of these smaller businesses. These kits havnt been tested out in the real world long enough and for anyone to say one is better is ignorance.
I feel they need more real world testing is all. More cars with them installed and tuned (properly) and see what comes out to being a safer investment. We all know you could build your own kit for cheeper. Why should we buy this brands kit or that ones? Because they made one that makes 500 whp? Because it's got 2 turbos?
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All good points. Yes, I would consider MPT working with a turbo kit builder does make the kit better. The majority of failures on all the 3.7 FI cars have been bad tunes. Over tuned, not tuned correctly. People want to blame the stock parts, but if people don't get greedy with horsepower and torque on the stock parts they could make a reliable 400 whp 400 wtq.


Bomber does have a 5.0 making 1120 whp (but that is a 5.0, still impressive). I saw some other cars they have modded also. Only time will tell on there 3.7 kit.

Limitless Performance and Fabrication makes a bunch of different turbo kits for different cars. They are not a fly by night or back yard garage building kits by any means, as some people think. I just don't like the way they handled marketing there 3.7 kit.


Of course Procharger is procharger, everyone knows who they are and what they bring to the table.
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Do we know if there are going to be any more group buys? I really want a turbo but if we can get a 9% discount that'd be awesome lol. 😎😎😎
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If you want a turbo get a 2015 i4...that HAS a turbo and guess what? Its warrantied by Ford!
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I feel you guys are arguing the difference between "Good," and "Good enough."
In what way?
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It's all about priorities. The LPF kit may come with a better turbo and/or intercooler, while the Bomber kit looks to be an easier install since it uses the stock or shorty headers and also is backed by MPT, which is a huge plus. Plus the Bomber kit has a recirculating wastegate which they claim will help with the sound. (jury is still out on this one)
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When does Bomber release their kit?
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Unfortunately everyone wants guarantees and when dealing with high performance parts like these, there are none. You gotta pick your battles and see what is important to you.


If you live close to LPF then that would be a good selling point.


If you like MPT then there is one for that.


People got to understand that these kits just came out and are in it's infancy with this motor. They have not been around for 5 years being tested on so people need to buy these kits and put them to the test. Sorry but that is the only way.
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Those are dyno numbers WITHOUT a tune ??


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Unfortunately everyone wants guarantees and when dealing with high performance parts like these, there are none. You gotta pick your battles and see what is important to you.


If you live close to LPF then that would be a good selling point.


If you like MPT then there is one for that.


People got to understand that these kits just came out and are in it's infancy with this motor. They have not been around for 5 years being tested on so people need to buy these kits and put them to the test. Sorry but that is the only way.
I completely agree with everything your saying. That's why I would never pay 4-5k for a brand new hardly field tested unknown system. That's some loot to throw down on a real crap shoot. If someone wants to really get their F.I. system out people testing and using it, that company really needs to sell it for a huge reduced rate.

That's the price of doing business. I would not pay top money for a system that doesn't have years testing and company that has no proven name.

I would gladly pay 6k for a procharger system because their proven and so is the F.I. kits. These new turbo kits should be sold for 3k max for now during testing phase and building a name for themselves
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I completely agree with everything your saying. That's why I would never pay 4-5k for a brand new hardly field tested unknown system. That's some loot to throw down on a real crap shoot. If someone wants to really get their F.I. system out people testing and using it, that company really needs to sell it for a huge reduced rate.

That's the price of doing business. I would not pay top money for a system that doesn't have years testing and company that has no proven name.

I would gladly pay 6k for a procharger system because their proven and so is the F.I. kits. These new turbo kits should be sold for 3k max for now during testing phase and building a name for themselves
Agree 100% .
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That's unreasonable for the vendor. Their business would never survive. As with anything the people that have the money and no patience will buy the kits now and take the risk. As time goes on we will get a better sense of each kits reliability. People seem to think FI systems are like a pan hard bar in that you just install it and go. You are majorly changing the engine/car and if you don't have the money to fix it, if it goes wrong, you probably shouldn't buy one.

The procharger has been out for awhile and the early adopters have figured out its quirks, which has become common knowledge. Give these kits a year or two and I think most "quirks" will be worked out.
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That's unreasonable for the vendor. Their business would never survive. As with anything the people that have the money and no patience will buy the kits now and take the risk. As time goes on we will get a better sense of each kits reliability. People seem to think FI systems are like a pan hard bar in that you just install it and go. You are majorly changing the engine/car and if you don't have the money to fix it, if it goes wrong, you probably shouldn't buy one.

The procharger has been out for awhile and the early adopters have figured out its quirks, which has become common knowledge. Give these kits a year or two and I think most "quirks" will be worked out.
I hear what your saying and completely understand your point. You make some really good points but for those few years of the test mule cars spending 5k plus on an unknown system is far more risky than a proven system like procharger.

These turbo kits are big money and there is no proven track record with them or the company building them. I'm not saying the kit is garbage but the builders may need to break even buy selling the kits at their cost just to get their name and quality of the kit out. That's the price of doing business.

I'm confident the big name performance companies at some time when new, promo kits to people to use to promote the new product. Personally, I would not be that person spending 5k on any product or company that's new and has no proven track record. I'll wait 4 or 5 years on this turbo kit and then see where the company is and its true quality of said kit.
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