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Old 12-12-2014, 11:46 PM   #1
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LTS or Shorties? Ordering this weekend!

Does anyone have any experience with both LTs and shorties. I am ordering headers this weekend and can't decide. With either one I will pair with an off road x pipe. Which setup would be the most noticable and fun to drive? I know all the generic LTs high=end power and shorties=low end torque but which is more fun to drive on a daily basis?


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Long tubes will give you more power. With that x pipe though you'll probably get a lot of rasp.
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Shorties would be more fun to drive through the city


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If you live your life at the drag strip, Long Tubes
Daily driver where you want actual useable power on the street, Short tubes.
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If you end up going with gears, you won't need the shorties so long tubes would be beneficial.


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Also if u are looking to supercharge get shorties


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LT higher rpms
Shortys lower RPM

Sound wise shortys h pipe

Performance wise lt x pipe


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can you not use LTs with a supercharger?

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You can, you just get more performance with FI using shorties


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I do not think you can get lt if your looking to turbo but I'm not sure.


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You can, you just get more performance with FI using shorties


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That's not completely correct. For supercharged applications (Procharger) Longtubes have the edge for the 3.7L.

For turbos, long tubes simply don't fit so you go with shorties or leave the stock manifolds on.

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That's not completely correct. For supercharged applications (Procharger) Longtubes have the edge for the 3.7L.

For turbos, long tubes simply don't fit so you go with shorties or leave the stock manifolds on.

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Ahh, my bad then. Thanks for the correction! I guess I had them confused.


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LT & Ceramic if u can afford them. I would go with hi-flow cats whether its state mandatory or not too.
Hi-flow cats and an aggressive set of mufflers would sound and dyno best, In my opinion of course, question your Mustang or racing shops for theirs.
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Hey there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about headers on here lately.
Shorty headers: gonna give you slight HP gains but a good amount of down low TQ. You will really feel it driving around town but not so much in the higher RPM range.
LTs- will give much more HP in the higher RPM range. You may even lose some down low power (barely) but will really feel it up top
If you get LTs you will need a new mid pipe. If you live in a smog restrictive state such as California you will not pass inspection because of this. You will also get a much raspier, loud "wailing" exhaust tone, so be warned.
Shorties you do not have to replace the mid pipe and you will pass inspections. It deepens up the exhaust tone and makes it sound better. no rasp.
LTs with a mid pipe will be double cost of shorties. Install is a lot harder and more expensive.
Ceramic finish (coating) is a must. Keep those engine temp Down. You're spending that much $ on an expensive vehicle, might as well not be a cheapo to be safe as can be.
If you're tracking your car a lot I would recommend LTs. Just want some more noticeable power driving around and a nice exhaust note, shorties.
Those are pretty much all the factors involved in making your choice!

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I can get bbk shorties and O/R X pipe for 490 or bbk LTs and O/R X pipe for 560. Both ceramic. I thought headers were easier to install? shorties sound like a better route but a lot of my friends say for 70 more dollars it's stupid not to get the L/Ts

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Alright about to order the LTs with O/R x-pipe. If anyone thinks this is a bad idea let me know now. Have to order in the next 2 hours

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Ummm, A set of hi-flow cats maybe??
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Does anyone have any experience with both LTs and shorties. I am ordering headers this weekend and can't decide. With either one I will pair with an off road x pipe. Which setup would be the most noticable and fun to drive? I know all the generic LTs high=end power and shorties=low end torque but which is more fun to drive on a daily basis?


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If you are going to do an o/r xpipe go with the LT because you will have to get them anyways after awhile to just get them out of the way, but which one would be more fun to drive is the shorties because when you jerk your car around its most likely not on the interstate it will just be around corners and stuff hope this helps
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Why exactly? Wouldn't you get the most performance out of off road pipe?

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I'm struggling with the same thoughts on this. Shorties would be simple upgrade, I may do this and enjoy the otherwise unaltered exhaust on my Convertible. Decisions decisions...
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Why exactly? Wouldn't you get the most performance out of off road pipe?

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2V GT: Traditionally, a free flowing exhaust system has always been an excellent way of increasing overall power. The 4.6L is no different but responds differently than a traditional 302.
Ford Motorsport makes a very nice set of headers for the 96 - 98 Mustang GT. They use a high tech coating to keep them from rusting and ensure long life. Their primary tubes are 1 5/8" and they offer a noticeable gain.
The most important thing to remember when choosing a high flow H-Pipe and catalytic converters is that the 2V engine is very sensitive and easily looses torque if the exhaust is too large. We recommend a 2 1/4" h-pipe, any larger and low end torque suffers significantly. And low end torque is what this engines needs improved the most. The Motorsport headers and a good h-pipe are worth approximately 25 hp.
4V Cobra: We have done extensive dyno testing with the Cobra's exhaust and found significant gains by using both headers and a free flowing h-pipe with converters.
As with the 2V engine, the 4V is sensitive to the size of the exhaust and can suffer torque losses if it is too large. We've used, with great success, a 2 1/4" h-pipe / converter set up that by itself is worth 15-18 horsepower. We have also dyno’d a set of stainless steel headers that by themselves are worth 25 hp and when combined with the h-pipe are worth 50 hp.
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Hey there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about headers on here lately.
Shorty headers: gonna give you slight HP gains but a good amount of down low TQ. You will really feel it driving around town but not so much in the higher RPM range.
LTs- will give much more HP in the higher RPM range. You may even lose some down low power (barely) but will really feel it up top
If you get LTs you will need a new mid pipe. If you live in a smog restrictive state such as California you will not pass inspection because of this. You will also get a much raspier, loud "wailing" exhaust tone, so be warned.
Shorties you do not have to replace the mid pipe and you will pass inspections. It deepens up the exhaust tone and makes it sound better. no rasp.
LTs with a mid pipe will be double cost of shorties. Install is a lot harder and more expensive.
Ceramic finish (coating) is a must. Keep those engine temp Down. You're spending that much $ on an expensive vehicle, might as well not be a cheapo to be safe as can be.
If you're tracking your car a lot I would recommend LTs. Just want some more noticeable power driving around and a nice exhaust note, shorties.
Those are pretty much all the factors involved in making your choice!

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very well said....as it is its all up to you but there are SMALL differences to both and even smaller differences to X pipe or H pipe...if your not going to be competing for drag titles then get whatever you think you will like....the power gains ive seen are "Whatever" in my opinion. Almost as bad as someone saying a turbo is better than a S/C because of parasitic loss...Thats not what makes a turbo better but if you think that then oh well...whatever.
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Well I went with the LTs. Hope I don't regret it!

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There's no reason you will regret them. You'll love them. I think you were over thinking the decision a bit too much lol. Both great options, you would have regretted neither!

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Your knuckles will regret the install if you do it yourself

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Lol true. 6 hours with PB blaster and a breaker bar as well. Thank god I had a lift. I would NEVER do that again with Jacks on my back.

But to the OP, if you're going to tackle it yourself, here's a big tip:

Remove the header bolts from the block, remove the O2 sensors and remove the bracket connecting the midpipe to the over axles and CAREFULLY pull that whole assembly down.

You need to replace the midpipe with LTS anyway, so no point in fighting the bolts on the mid pipe like I did.

You will need a buddy, some PB blaster and a lift. Jacks and stands won't work with that method.

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Damn all I have are ramps. It is possible with ramps correct? Even if more difficult. And what is PB blaster?

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Haha and thanks grabber for the words of encouragement. I do over think things a lot. Just an expensive investment so I didn't want to make the wrong decision. I originally wanted to go the shorty route but a few of my friends insisted on LTs. Haha peer pressure!

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Damn all I have are ramps. It is possible with ramps correct? Even if more difficult. And what is PB blaster?

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It's possible with ramps I did my shorties with Jack stands. PB blaster is a must. They will literally not come off without it

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Still debating whether or not to do my long tubes my self

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Haha and thanks grabber for the words of encouragement. I do over think things a lot. Just an expensive investment so I didn't want to make the wrong decision. I originally wanted to go the shorty route but a few of my friends insisted on LTs. Haha peer pressure!

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Good grief, tell me about it. I was lucky my shorties only took 2.5 hrs to install
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Damn all I have are ramps. It is possible with ramps correct? Even if more difficult. And what is PB blaster?

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It's possible, you just won't be able to do the method I described. You'd have to fight the mid pipe and get it off and the stock manifolds separate. Also, you have to get the Longtubes up from the bottom, so ramps are going to be tough.

Bottom line, can you do it with ramps? Sure. Would I do it? Hell no. Lol

Try to find someone to let you use a lift if you can. At the bare minimum jack and stands.

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Update shorties or Lts what did you order


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