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Old 12-16-2014, 12:40 AM   #1
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Has anyone "maxed" their NA v6?

What im talking about is like a general HP that you can get to with a naturally aspirated 6 and then not much more. I have a '14 v6 and dont know if i should keep it na or go forced induction. I also havent been able to find a reliable source for the 0-60 on a '14 v6. If anyone has any info on either of these questions it would be much appreciated . (massive noob here) thanks!
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I would guess around 315 whp. There are plenty of source for the 0-60. Car and driver, edmunds, ect

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I would guess around 315 whp. There are plenty of source for the 0-60. Car and driver, edmunds, ect

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I would assume a lot more than that with a full on na build

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I would assume a lot more than that with a full on na build

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315 at the wheel sounds ab right from what I've seen thus far
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315 at the wheel sounds ab right from what I've seen thus far
Yep did some looking and was rather surprised. Looks like the 315-320 range

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that sounds about right to me
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315 hp @ the crank w/93 octane gas. Stock. Tuned/intakes ported/CAI Steeda/ LT's ect. I don't know for sure?
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H/c/i exhaust ? Probably 350hp on E85


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Oh the numbers game...315-320? sounds like a variable on the dyno...I wouldnt expect anymore than 305-310 peak. Most the power gains I have seen from various guys is all low to mid range power...which for me is much more useful than peak...its cool to be able to say you have 310....315...shoot 330 peak whp, but what good does it do you if your only putting out 280 trq at 5k or you got 280 whp @ 6k then jump to 330 at 7200k? ( I know its not likely that kind of scenario due to how our engines curve the power but it does look like the higher your peak power the lower your...well low end power?

I guess what im saying is it depends on what you are looking to do with the car. Casual drag racing - you'll want that top end power
Street - your gonna want more low and mid range grunt
and unless your doing comp racing of any sort well then get the mods you think will sound best and by that i mean the difference between an H and X pipe are barely even there and by no means feel much different also state smog laws and such will kill any chance of LT headers as they require a cat delete (unless you wire in extensions to your o2 sensors and have your stock cats put in after or you cut the pipe to have them installed in the header)
Blah blah blah, im rambling now. sorry OP

MAXED out 3.7s depending on location and mods and what type of dyno you are running i would say what i said before is more along the likely chance of 310 MAX N/A. Like with ANY car you WILL get a much better power increase slapping a turbo or Procharger on a stock car than putting that same amount of money into it N/A Id say drive someones car who has a decent amount of mods see how you like the way it feels, if you like it and think you can live with that for a good amount of time then go that route otherwise start now and save up for either a turbo kit of Procharger cause a good portion of the mods you will make wont be usable with those. (aaaaand i rambled an extra 5 pages....geeez. I need to lay off the coffee so early in the morning)
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I don't think anyone has maxed this engine out - or even tried.

I bet with independent throttle bodies, bigger cams , ported heads, off road exhaust and 8000 rpms that 350rwhp isn't out of the question. But no one I know of has tried to put that kind of money into our engines.
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My 3.7 puts down eleventy-billion rwhp and rwtq with just a tune. I added a CAI and now it's faster than light from 0 - 60 and I only lost to light by a car length in the 1320.




Seriously... a 3.7 will max out around 300 - 310 whp NA on 93, with the manual cars putting down more power. If someone were to make cams and lockouts and bump the compression, I could see maybe 320 - 330 whp.

Running E85 with a good tune, maybe add 10 - 20 whp.
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I don't think anyone has maxed this engine out - or even tried.

I bet with independent throttle bodies, bigger cams , ported heads, off road exhaust and 8000 rpms that 350rwhp isn't out of the question. But no one I know of has tried to put that kind of money into our engines.
I heard of a couple guys that had their cam reground...dont think it did much or was a valid gain as they went to different dynos and never did a base run. Also a lot of guys have said to stay clear of going higher in the rpms cause the cost to make it "safe" to run would be much MUCH more than the gains, but I see your point there are a bunch of things that could be done but most of what your talking about would have to be custom and i doubt anyone will put that kind of money into the car and not have it FI.

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Seriously... a 3.7 will max out around 300 - 310 whp NA on 93, with the manual cars putting down more power. If someone were to make cams and lockouts and bump the compression, I could see maybe 320 - 330 whp.

Running E85 with a good tune, maybe add 10 - 20 whp.
I believe MMR has a 4.0 stroker kit available but again it sounds like the cost will far outweigh the power gains.

For now the most anyone can do with out custom fabricating the parts from scratch would be: intake, TB, TB spacer, ported upper and lower intake manifolds, ignition coils. hotter spark plugs?, E85 with fully custom tune, headers, catless exhaust, alm drive shaft, suspension, lighter flywheel, performance clutch, new fluids, and of course lighter wheels and tires....i think i got it all...

is there a list anywhere for someone to look up and add the total it would cost to "MAX OUT" their car or get a reference point to see the total cost N/A vs F/I?
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My 3.7 puts down eleventy-billion rwhp and rwtq with just a tune. I added a CAI and now it's faster than light from 0 - 60 and I only lost to light by a car length in the 1320.




Seriously... a 3.7 will max out around 300 - 310 whp NA on 93, with the manual cars putting down more power. If someone were to make cams and lockouts and bump the compression, I could see maybe 320 - 330 whp.

Running E85 with a good tune, maybe add 10 - 20 whp.
Super Six makes the cams and lockouts already, but I haven't seen any good data from a car running them.

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Super Six makes the cams and lockouts already, but I haven't seen any good data from a car running them.

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They also do Intake manifold porting too
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They also do Intake manifold porting too
Yeah they and Lone Wolf do. I haven't seen anything about porting heads or anything like that yet though.

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Ya, head porting would be nice...make better use of the headers and ported intake... but for your avg. shop online, buy parts, install would run you total (and this is off the top of my head...no real data to go by) roughly 1/4-maybe 1/3 the cost to go F/I and you will have less than 1/8 the gains
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Ya, head porting would be nice...make better use of the headers and ported intake... but for your avg. shop online, buy parts, install would run you total (and this is off the top of my head...no real data to go by) roughly 1/4-maybe 1/3 the cost to go F/I and you will have less than 1/8 the gains
Very true. I'd still like to see someone go all out. Built engine (forged, ported, cams, lockouts, etc), built tranny (new clutch plates for auto, flexplate, new oil), ported IM, full bolt ons.

Basically the pinnacle of a NA build and then add FI. (Maybe custom cams specifically for FI) and crank that up. Of course that's an absurd amount of money but it would be interesting to see what the "true" limit is.

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Well ANY engine built up will make great power...honestly if you had a V8 with 700whp and a 4banger with 700 whp...it will roll about the same granted the weight of the engine will throw you off...but still...would be nice to see how much money a fully built N/A 3.7 can put down
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4.0 Stroker, 13:1 compression, e85 or race gas, ported heads, cams, ported intake.
You could be making a lot of power :p

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4.0 Stroker, 13:1 compression, e85 or race gas, ported heads, cams, ported intake.
You could be making a lot of power :p

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But at that point you would not be able to DD it likely. But still! Haha

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But at that point you would not be able to DD it likely. But still! Haha

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Unless you have E85 or race gas available everywhere you go, you're gonna have a bad time.

In my area for instance, the closest E85 or 93 octane is 30 miles away.

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Not sure what the NA limit is on this engine. There is a 2011 auto running 12.2 @ 113, a 2013 manual running 12.3 @ 111, and a 2012 auto running 12.5 @ 108. But they are racers, not dyno queens, who knows what they put down...
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Very true. I'd still like to see someone go all out. Built engine (forged, ported, cams, lockouts, etc), built tranny (new clutch plates for auto, flexplate, new oil), ported IM, full bolt ons.

Basically the pinnacle of a NA build and then add FI. (Maybe custom cams specifically for FI) and crank that up. Of course that's an absurd amount of money but it would be interesting to see what the "true" limit is.

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Not to be nit picky but you'll find a lot of times motors built for FI and NA are complete opposites in regards to compression and cam overlap. Not meaning to rain on your hypothetical parade lol ... just sayin. Really you have to start with an end goal in mind, be it boost or Na.
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Not to be nit picky but you'll find a lot of times motors built for FI and NA are complete opposites in regards to compression and cam overlap. Not meaning to rain on your hypothetical parade lol ... just sayin. Really you have to start with an end goal in mind, be it boost or Na.
Eh it's just that. Hypothetical.

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Has anyone "maxed" their NA v6?

With E85 or race gas to can run high compression and boost. I saw an EVO with 17:1 compression also running 40psi of boost. Granted it was on race gas. But how it accelerated was ungodly. 2000 horsepower and it revved to 12k rpm

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How's this for a N/A build :
Airaid CAI , BBK 73mm TB, BBK ceramic shorties, ported & polished intake manis, Ford racing x pipe , auto trans
Anything I can add on or take off before going FI?

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How's this for a N/A build :
Airaid CAI , BBK 73mm TB, BBK ceramic shorties, ported & polished intake manis, Ford racing x pipe , auto trans
Anything I can add on or take off before going FI?

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Simple bolt ons are fine. What Volt was referring to is changing engine internals to alter compression.

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Oohhh ok I got scared for a sec! I'll leave this convo to y'all that's all over my head

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With E85 or race gas to can run high compression and boost. I saw an EVO with 17:1 compression also running 40psi of boost. Granted it was on race gas. But how it accelerated was ungodly. 2000 horsepower and it revved to 12k rpm

But yea cams do matter with boost vs NA


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Its a matter of more than just octane. I work with a guy with a 1400 whp gt500. He has another guy at the same shop he uses with another 1400 whp GT500.

My buddy Jake's car:
9.5:1 compression
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11:1 compression
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3.6L blower + nitrous

The second guy has to replace head gaskets every every couple of passes ... just gets to a point where the cons of the compression outweigh the benefits. I cant imagine that Evo though lol 17:1 with high boost is unreal.


At any rate, i dont think it would be too outrageous for a 350 - 370 whp 3.7L. Granted the coyote has slightly higher compression, its not "hard" to get a 5.0L over 500 whp. The 3.7L cylinder heads apparently flow pretty well, and the stock intake manifold seems to hold power fairly well into the rpm band ... really just comes down to someone actually doing it is the thing.
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I think it comes down to people just don't want to lay down the money on a base model car. But in contrast the same engine in an import would be worshipped.

I'll use the new 3.5L Hyundai Genesis coupe as an example. That's the top tier and although I haven't researched it, I'd assume it has a lot of aftermarket support.

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Damn...I leave to actually get SOME work done and EVERYONE is on here chatting up lol
Again it is all dependent of what you are going to use it for. REAl racing, casual drag, stupid teenage street speeding or just to have a good street car with balls when you need it...
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Not sure what the NA limit is on this engine. There is a 2011 auto running 12.2 @ 113, a 2013 manual running 12.3 @ 111, and a 2012 auto running 12.5 @ 108. But they are racers, not dyno queens, who knows what they put down...
Are you talking about N/A with NO2?... for a 12.2@113 you've gotta be packing over 4k in engine work or a swap and making around 345-355 whp...no way the 3.7 can do that with an avg budget
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Are you talking about N/A with NO2?... for a 12.2@113 you've gotta be packing over 4k in engine work or a swap and making around 345-355 whp...no way the 3.7 can do that with an avg budget
No those are completely NA. They have slicks and skinnies with full bolt ons.

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Old 12-16-2014, 03:03 PM   #35
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I cant see that...even with 4.10s thats a stretch...I dont race so i have no idea the tricks people use to get the times they run...
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