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Old 12-18-2014, 02:06 AM   #1
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Borla Headers w/ Mac Pro Chamber

Is this possible? I'm looking at the Borla longtube headers and the only specs I can find state the outlet diameter is 2.25" while the Mac Pro Chamber states it's made with 2.5" pipe. The Borlas come with their own X-pipe while the Pro Chamber states it only fits on Mac headers (longtube anyways, the version for shorty headers does not specify this). The front of the Pro Chamber looks to have removeable tubes where the flanges connect to the header. It seems that I could remove this part and the Pro Chamber should fit where Borla's X-pipe is located. Has anyone done this? I'm thinking this setup paired with Borla S-Types should sound pretty good. I definitely want the Pro Chamber to avoid the rasp as much as possible, and I know I could just go with BBK shorty headers to fit the Pro Chamber, but I never seem to want to do things the easy way.

And yes, I know on the link to the Pro Chamber it states that it won't work with Borla headers, but I didn't know if that specified because of the attachments or what not...

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The borlas look like they have different connection design. The borlas come with the x-pipe included. I would just use that. Don't think you will be able to find someone to buy just the x-pipe so it would be a waste to buy the combo and then have to buy the H-pipe. If you want LTs and H-pipe I would get the bbk LTs and the pro chamber H-pipe. This would still be cheaper than the borla LT combo. I just ordered Bbk LTs and bbk O/R x-pipe for $525 new compared to the borlas that run about $880. Hope this helps.

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The Pro Chamber for long tubes states it only works with Mac long tubes.

They do look like they have a different connection, but it you look at the front of the Pro Chamber the pipe looks removable and the H-pipe should slide onto the end of the Borla tube. Worst case scenario I think a reducer could be welded in.


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Well if that's the route you want to go you should do it but you are still left with the borla x-pipe

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Well if that's the route you want to go you should do it but you are still left with the borla x-pipe

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Haha, yeah. I would probably drive it for a while with the X-pipe. The Pro Chamber isn't cheap... I just feel like it will provide the sound I want, and if I'm gonna throw on $600 mufflers for sound only, what's another $600?
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Personally I don't find the borla headers worth that much cash. You could get the Mac Longtubes in a ceramic coating for much less and not have to worry about fitment issues.

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Personally I don't find the borla headers worth that much cash. You could get the Mac Longtubes in a ceramic coating for much less and not have to worry about fitment issues.

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I agree. It will just make things easier.

Also keep this in mind. I live near MAC and Ive been been trying for about 2 months to get the weld in Pro Chamber and its never in stock. They keep telling me next week...
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Any reason they're not worth it? I'm assuming about 25% mark-up because of the name, and throw in the X-pipe and they're not that unreasonable.

Haven't really found any videos with them, but maybe there's a reason for that...
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Any reason they're not worth it? I'm assuming about 25% mark-up because of the name, and throw in the X-pipe and they're not that unreasonable.

Haven't really found any videos with them, but maybe there's a reason for that...

No reason. You're definitely paying for the name. They do make a good product though. Its some thing you can install and be pretty sure you're getting high quality. On the other hand MAC isnt horrible either. They do tend to have a few quality issues some times but overall they are a good company.
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Do some research on which LT's have O2 sensor problems.
I'm pretty sure Borla's don't suffer any O2 sensor problems.
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Do some research on which LT's have O2 sensor problems.
I'm pretty sure Borla's don't suffer any O2 sensor problems.
Not the O2 sensors themslves, but the extensions are a known issue. But with the correct routing on the BBK you don't need the extensions.

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Now I wonder what the difference is between Pre-2010 and 10-14 V6 Pro Chambers? They look the same and the older ones are available for about $300. Seems they are just an empty box inside, and if the piping size is the same, the only difference would be the connectors at the front of the pipes, and if I'm going to discard those anyways...
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I would go with the Mac ceramic Lts and modify your choice of mid pipe I've never been a fan of the pro chamber. You get the best of both worlds with the Macs. Everyone says shorties for low end power and Lts for top end power. Shorties have 1 5/8" piping and Lts have 1 3/4" piping that peak a lil more up top. The macs are 1 5/8" Lts so your looking at a better power band across the rpms. I'm a firm believer of using smaller header piping on small cubic inch engines. When I had the Mac shorties my power band increased throughout with the 1 5/8" piping. The Mac collectors don't sweep low like the BBK and Borla do they are almost like mid length headers. This is why Mac midpipes are for their headers only


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Now I wonder what the difference is between Pre-2010 and 10-14 V6 Pro Chambers? They look the same and the older ones are available for about $300. Seems they are just an empty box inside, and if the piping size is the same, the only difference would be the connectors at the front of the pipes, and if I'm going to discard those anyways...
I've looked into this before and I believe the clamp connections are the only difference. Never seen an actual picture of one but maybe we can get someone to post one for reference


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Keep in mind the borlas are stainless and will likely outlast the car. The bbk, Mac, etc are not. To me, living in an area with salt stainless is worth the extra cost.
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Borla Headers w/ Mac Pro Chamber

The Mac ceramic Lts are high enough to avoid scrapes and most rock chips from the road. Also the pro chamber is stainless


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Borla Headers w/ Mac Pro Chamber

If you can swing it I would go with ARH LT with there H-pipe. I've heard nothing but good things about fitment and quality. Kinda pricey but I contacted Beefcake and they were willing to sell me the LTs w/ H-pipe for $1100. It's also all stainless!

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I have not done the H-Pipe due to performance reasons, but I can say that I had zero fitment issues with the borla headers, including the O2 sensors, the ford wires were very conveniently long enough, just had to undo some of the bundle to make slack.
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The ProChamber is worth having on your car. For the performance and the deeper exhaust note is worth it. A Mustang shop can align the pipes to fit no problem.
-Can't pass up saying that you have BORLA LT headers and a ProChamber. That's a dream combo.
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Haha, I just paid for my S-Types, and will have them on in January sometime. Figured I'd keep it all in the Borla family if I could.


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Thats great for you. I recommend a set of hi-flow cats to offeset resonator being removed losing low-end torque and they will help get a lower tone through exhaust.
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Negative ghost rider. If I'm going to bother with cats I'll leave the stock ones in and leave the headers alone.


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Can't use your stock cats with LTs.

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Negative ghost rider. If I'm going to bother with cats I'll leave the stock ones in and leave the headers alone.


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2V has 4 cats that deteriorate at a quick speed and need to be part of maintenance too.
4V has 6 cats.
-Cats and O2 sensors should be part of any exhaust job, gives more accurate info to a dyno machine when creating new files. Adding 3:73's would be nice toooo!
-Hi-flow cats are usful for alot of good things- back pressure/low end torque, exhaust tone sounds better, less rasy noise, it's leagal most places. Race/Speed shops can reccomend one or go wih Borla, Flowmaster, Spintech, Magnaflow, all slim and about 11" long.
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