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Old 01-16-2015, 07:12 PM   #1
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Ceramic vs. Chrome Headers?

Which should i get and what are the advantages/disadvantages of both. really doesnt seem like the ceramic is worth the extra $$$
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Ceramic will keep your engine bay temps down whereas the chrome will let all that exhaust heat radiate out into the bay. DEFINITELY worth the extra money.

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Like what said above. Also the chrome finish will burn and fade after a while. So if its a daily driver don't expect it to look shiny for long. Ceramic is the way to go.
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will i be able to install these myself or will that be too complicated. I know a good amount about cars but im not much of a mechanic..
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With the right tools you should be able to do it yourself. Which ones are you going to get longtubes or shorties? I've heard longtubes are slightly harder of an install.
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long tubes. how much would they be to have installed at a shop?
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long tubes. how much would they be to have installed at a shop?
Thought most stick with short tubes in Cali due to long tubes not being legal. On the other hand apparently new cars are exempt from emission/smog testing for 6 years.
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Thought most stick with short tubes in Cali due to long tubes not being legal. On the other hand apparently new cars are exempt from emission/smog testing for 6 years.
If you decide on shorties here's a bit of reading for you, on their installation.
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Only the BBK are legal here.

I did this a couple of weeks ago. Im pretty handy with tools and mechanical work, but these were a PITA to install. It's not hard, just very tedious. Get ready to get your hands and arms tore up.

And yes do the ceramic.
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Shorties are better for our v6s over the longtubes


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Thought most stick with short tubes in Cali due to long tubes not being legal. On the other hand apparently new cars are exempt from emission/smog testing for 6 years.
If you decide on shorties here's a bit of reading for you, on their installation.
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No longtube headers are legal in california.
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how can the state of california define "long tune headers" makes no sense


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The same exact way all aftermarket companies define long tube headers.

It is a matter of what companies get their products CARB approved, thats what makes them legal. If they aren't CARB approved then they are illegal automatically in California.

The only long tube headers to date i have seen with a CARB sticker on them is the coyote swap into a new edge long tube headers.
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Go with ceramic. They keep cooler and will not turn color.
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i think im gonna go with the ceramics. just seem like a better investment. Also what is the punishment for being caught with them in california?


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i think im gonna go with the ceramics. just seem like a better investment. Also what is the punishment for being caught with them in california?


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Ceramic vs. Chrome Headers?

$2500 fine and possibly jail time.

They will probably impound the car also.

That is if there are no catalytic converters. If you have Longtubes but also keep the cats then you just won't pass smog, that's the end of it.

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That being said. I don't know anyone that's ever had an issue running no cats. I even know someone running LongTubes in Cali, he is on this forum. I just swapped my midpipe for an offroad one, I swap it out for smog every 2 years.

When I start to do my front splitter and rear spoiler and race seats it'll look more RaceCarish so I may get some dummy cats welded in incase someone wants to look under my car.


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No longtube headers are legal in california.
No Long Tube is legal for anything other than Off Road in the US. Anything requiring you to move the Cats is illegal

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What Soccerluvr said, except if you do get caught and are allowed to keep your car you get the pleasure of going to a US Government approved Smog station and getting you car smogged every year, or whenever the US Government decided to want it smogged on your dime, normally between $150-$200.
My Buddies truck passed Smog twice in NC with Long Tubes and High Flow cats and got stopped at DUI Check point and the cop looked. $1500 fine and $160 each time for Smog System check 3 times in the first year. He finally sold the truck. BTW you take a hit on that since I think he said it has something in the Database on the title also.
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No Long Tube is legal for anything other than Off Road in the US. Anything requiring you to move the Cats is illegal


What Soccerluvr said, except if you do get caught and are allowed to keep your car you get the pleasure of going to a US Government approved Smog station and getting you car smogged every year, or whenever the US Government decided to want it smogged on your dime, normally between $150-$200.
My Buddies truck passed Smog twice in NC with Long Tubes and High Flow cats and got stopped at DUI Check point and the cop looked. $1500 fine and $160 each time for Smog System check 3 times in the first year. He finally sold the truck. BTW you take a hit on that since I think he said it has something in the Database on the title also.
They do make catted mid pipe for long tubes, you do realize this don't you?
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They do make catted mid pipe for long tubes, you do realize this don't you?
High flow cats are still illegal. When you remove the oem cats, it's illegal. Period.

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The punishment for what, the headers? Go back and read, they are 50 state legal. They come with a CARB sticker. No punishment.
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To Make A Short story Long

Federal laws prohibits touching you OEM cats.

"E.P.A. guidelines state that replacement converters may be installed only in the following situations:
1. The vehicle is missing a converter
2. A state or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter needs replacement
3. Vehicles manufactured prior to 1996 must have more than 50,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented
4. In cases of OBD Il-equipped vehicles (1996 and later), the O.E. manufacturer's 8-year/80,000-mile warranty must have expired and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented.
Please note that Federal law prohibits removal or replacement of a properly functioning O.E. converter.

When replacement of the converter is appropriate (as outlined above), the E.P.A. further requires that:
1. It be installed in the same location as the original
2. It be the same type as the original (i.e., two-way, three-way, three-way plus air/three-way plus oxidation)
3. It be the proper model for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer
4. It be properly connected to any existing air injection components on the vehicle
5. It be installed with any other required converter for a particular application
6. It be accompanied by a warranty information card to be completed by the installer."
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Then we have the states that have adopted CARB requirements. However, only 3 of these states have adopted California rules for aftermarket systems requiring aftermarket conversions to be CARB-certified in their state.
In reality, many states don't really police any of this stuff and rely solely on the OBD Il check.
Mass. is a good example where they not only adopted the CARB requirements but also adopted California rules for aftermarket systems. Yet I've never seen nor heard of any enforcement of any of these requirements. Not yet anyway!
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High flow cats are still illegal. When you remove the oem cats, it's illegal. Period.

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High flow cats are only illegal in Cali. The law states that if your cars OEM cats malfunction or are damaged and your car is out of any warranty period then you can get non OEM ones.


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Another vote for ceramic, CARB Approved BBK Shorties


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They do make catted mid pipe for long tubes, you do realize this don't you?
What part of "Not For Use on Pollution Controlled Vehicles, Off Road Use Only" do people not understand. BTW that is Federal Law, not state so it is in all 50 States.
And just because you do not have smog checks in your state does not mean you cannot get caught.

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Federal laws prohibits touching you OEM cats.

"E.P.A. guidelines state that replacement converters may be installed only in the following situations:
1. The vehicle is missing a converter
2. A state or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter needs replacement
3. Vehicles manufactured prior to 1996 must have more than 50,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented
4. In cases of OBD Il-equipped vehicles (1996 and later), the O.E. manufacturer's 8-year/80,000-mile warranty must have expired and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented.
Please note that Federal law prohibits removal or replacement of a properly functioning O.E. converter.

When replacement of the converter is appropriate (as outlined above), the E.P.A. further requires that:
1. It be installed in the same location as the original
2. It be the same type as the original (i.e., two-way, three-way, three-way plus air/three-way plus oxidation)
3. It be the proper model for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer
4. It be properly connected to any existing air injection components on the vehicle
5. It be installed with any other required converter for a particular application
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Then we have the states that have adopted CARB requirements. However, only 3 of these states have adopted California rules for aftermarket systems requiring aftermarket conversions to be CARB-certified in their state.
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Mass. is a good example where they not only adopted the CARB requirements but also adopted California rules for aftermarket systems. Yet I've never seen nor heard of any enforcement of any of these requirements. Not yet anyway!
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High flow cats are only illegal in Cali. The law states that if your cars OEM cats malfunction or are damaged and your car is out of any warranty period then you can get non OEM ones.


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I quoted Diehard's post, which as stated in the law it has to be replaced with basically an OEM equivalent, so if your car came with high flow cats they are legal, if not you are SOL.
I myself do not want to be making payments on a Car that went to the crusher because of tampered emission control devices, which BTW can happen. I also do not think the HP gains to have long tube headers and high flow cats or no cats is worth $2500. I have much better things to use my money on than giving more of it to Uncle Sam
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What's not readily apparent is the fact that California, and states that have adopted the California requirements, do not have to follow the federal EPA laws on this subject.
California is the only state that is permitted to have such a regulatory agency, since it is the only state that had one before the passage of the federal Clean Air Act.
Other states are permitted to follow CARB standards, or use the federal ones, but not set their own.
Although the California requirements may be more strict in many ways, they do read differently and are not required to follow the Federal requirements,
I'm not going to get into trying to interpret the details of the CARB requirements.
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I've been running cats for 2 years in Cali. Never an issue. If you are worried just get dummy cats.


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Are you saying that JBA shorty headers have CARB approval for a V6 Mustang? I can't find that they do.
Go to the jba website and seach 3.7 v6 mustang and look at the notes in the header description. It states that they are.
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