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Old 01-17-2015, 05:09 PM   #1
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Will shorties really give me power?

I really dont like the thought of them and want to run some long tubes. i live in california however and this is going to be a problem. what will the shorties do for me (bbk ceramic shorties) sound and performace wise?


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I really dont like the thought of them and want to run some long tubes. i live in california however and this is going to be a problem. what will the shorties do for me (bbk ceramic shorties) sound and performace wise?


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Sound wise they'll be much tamer than long tubes, maybe even a little more so than stock. Less raspy and less volume overall. A slightly deeper but quiet tone.

Power wise you'll see a small bump down low but identical to stock everywhere else.

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dang. they dont sound all that great oh well


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dang. they dont sound all that great oh well


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Well as for Longtubes you get a louder slightly raspier sound and the power comes towards the mid-high end of the powerband.

So in all reality, it's just about the sound you want and where you want your power at. Of course keeping in mind you're in Cali, so you don't have as many choices.

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The down low to midrange bump is more than just a bump, the shorty headers on mine gives it a smoother power band from 2000 RPM all the way up instead of the slow acceleration up to 3500 RPM that it has now.
You will be able to hit resume on the cruise at a lower RPM and actually pick up speed instead of just thinking about it of having to downshift.
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Same power, slight bending of the power curve down low. It can help a bit with off the line and inclines in overdrive. Gears do more, though.

Part of the myth of headers was that back when they were still using carbs on cars ( and throttle body fuel injection (basically a fuel injector stuffed into a carb type setup ) as well up until the learly 90s for some makes )), this could make a huge difference. Especially when you only were putting out 120-150hp in a smaller engine.

With modern cars putting out 300+ HP and also thanks to all of the computers doing everything for you (for good and bad), all you are doing is adjusting the dyno curves - making it flatter or steeper in parts ( same with gears )

If you really want to go fast, you need more air and/or more cylinders. Supercharger, Turbo, or a V8. Given the 130 HP difference between the V6 and V8, you could spend $10K and basically make a V6 into a basic V8. The smart money then is to just trade the 6 for an 8.

Or just live with it as it is and concentrate on things that make it handle, shift, and stop better.
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The shorties won't disappoint you. They give a good bump in the areas the old 3.7 need. The BBK ceramics are on sale at auto anything right now $303 free shipping. I'm a Mac fan but they're not carb approved.


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There's a guy on another forum who went from bbk long tubes to bbk shorties and the shorties were less than a tenth slower. The shorties on the dyno showed strong torque gains (20-30 in some places) under the curve where you spend most of the time driving. Maybe only 8-10 whp at peak.
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The shorties won't disappoint you. They give a good bump in the areas the old 3.7 need. The BBK ceramics are on sale at auto anything right now $303 free shipping. I'm a Mac fan but they're not carb approved.


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They are 379 and chrome is 284. Just checked
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They frequently have 20% off coupon codes that works on the bbk shorties bringing them to the quoted price.
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See I've been stuck in this same dilemma. I am deleting the cats no doubt and going off road but whether to get the long tubes or to get the shortys with cat deletes, that is the question. I get the whole theory and concepts behind both options, but I drive it daily and usually never over 75mph or 3,500rpms. So high end isn't as beneficial as the low end would be. But I want the sound too...plus I got some LTs a buddy just took off his car for cheap so my decision was sort of made up for me...now the next LT issue, no one will touch them and those who will want to break the bank for it. Nobody I know has the balls to tackle it with me and everyone else I know isn't close enough for me to ask for help.
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They are 379 and chrome is 284. Just checked
Just added them to the cart with the 20% code $303.99 for the ceramic bbk
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See I've been stuck in this same dilemma. I am deleting the cats no doubt and going off road but whether to get the long tubes or to get the shortys with cat deletes, that is the question. I get the whole theory and concepts behind both options, but I drive it daily and usually never over 75mph or 3,500rpms. So high end isn't as beneficial as the low end would be. But I want the sound too...plus I got some LTs a buddy just took off his car for cheap so my decision was sort of made up for me...now the next LT issue, no one will touch them and those who will want to break the bank for it. Nobody I know has the balls to tackle it with me and everyone else I know isn't close enough for me to ask for help.
They really aren't that difficult. It just takes quite a bit of time. You will need a buddy and you will need a lift. You could try it with jacks and stands, but it would be so much more difficult.

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.....now the next LT issue, no one will touch them and those who will want to break the bank for it. Nobody I know has the balls to tackle it with me and everyone else I know isn't close enough for me to ask for help.
Sell them. Get shorties. Be happy.

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They really aren't that difficult. It just takes quite a bit of time. You will need a buddy and you will need a lift. You could try it with jacks and stands, but it would be so much more difficult.

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Agreed, its not that difficult if you tag team the install and can get the front end lifted up a bit. Shouldn't be longer than 4 hours max though.
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See I've been stuck in this same dilemma. I am deleting the cats no doubt and going off road but whether to get the long tubes or to get the shortys with cat deletes, that is the question. I get the whole theory and concepts behind both options, but I drive it daily and usually never over 75mph or 3,500rpms. So high end isn't as beneficial as the low end would be. But I want the sound too...plus I got some LTs a buddy just took off his car for cheap so my decision was sort of made up for me...now the next LT issue, no one will touch them and those who will want to break the bank for it. Nobody I know has the balls to tackle it with me and everyone else I know isn't close enough for me to ask for help.
The reason no one wants to install them is the 15,000-25,000 dollar fine for removing emission control devices.

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The reason no one wants to install them is the 15,000-25,000 dollar fine for removing emission control devices.

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Not necessarily. The shops that quoted me had a GT in mind. For a GT to do Longtubes you have to remove the steering column, remove the motor mounts plus the normal things due to clearence issues.

So they either wouldn't even attempt it or quoted me about $600.

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Who all actually has the BBK shorties on their car?

Was it a substantial improvement in power? Or was it not that big of an improvement?

I'm not talking about sound, just power difference.

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Who all actually has the BBK shorties on their car?

Was it a substantial improvement in power? Or was it not that big of an improvement?

I'm not talking about sound, just power difference.

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I have BBK'S on my car and the low to mid range power is a huge improvement and it just happens to be right where the 3.7 needs it.

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I would say get them over LTs. It puts the power in a more usable rpm range
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Is the sound more raspy? Or is it deeper? Or just louder than it was prior to the shortys?
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Is the sound more raspy? Or is it deeper? Or just louder than it was prior to the shortys?
It all depends on who you talk to.
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Just asking those who have BBK shortys on their car...
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I'm struggling with these thoughts too... since the car is a convertible I don't want a lot of noise, but I would like to play with cars I own... I suppose I need to drive the car a little before I make a decision since I've only put maybe 500 miles on the car!
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Is the sound more raspy? Or is it deeper? Or just louder than it was prior to the shortys?
No Rasp on mine, deeper and louder, but not a lot louder.
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That's shorties? Yum!
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Yep, it did have the FRPP Cut and Clamp X-Pipe on it

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Who all actually has the BBK shorties on their car?

Was it a substantial improvement in power? Or was it not that big of an improvement?

I'm not talking about sound, just power difference.

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I've had the BBK shorties on for roughly 1000 miles. Power in the 2-4k range is vastly different........smoother, spins up faster in that range indicating a bump in torque. Above 4k it's not much different. I do find myself shifting a few hundred RPM lower to achieve the same acceleration in "normal" driving, as compared to before the shorties. Before I didn't feel like the car started pulling hard until 3.5k. Now it starts pulling hard about 6-700 RPM lower. Pain in the rear install, but nonetheless hands down the best mod I've done so far.
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I was going for the long tube bbk headers and the bbk x pipe or lethal performance h pipe with axel back pypes bomb don't know what i should go for help needed guys let me know what u think please I drive a v6 2011 mustang roush intake


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It all depends where in the powerband you want your gains to come in, and what tradeoffs you're willing to sacrifice. Long tubes with an adjusted tune can yield good gains above 5k, but typically will lose torque down low. On the other hand, shorty headers will yield some great gains down low, and nothing additional up top. I happen to think the v6 with long tubes and high flow/no cats sounds like a high revving john deere.......terrible.
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I was going for the long tube bbk headers and the bbk x pipe or lethal performance h pipe with axel back pypes bomb don't know what i should go for help needed guys let me know what u think please I drive a v6 2011 mustang roush intake


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I think you should probably wait for those answers in your own thread since this one is about shorty headers.

Question to the OP: are you getting chrome, ceramic coated, or stainless steel?
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All who have them installed should post sound clips


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Hearing comments from those who actually have shorty headers on their 3.7 regarding the detail of the performance difference before and after the install of shortys on their car has been very very helpful.

Just want to let you know how very appreciated you are for sharing your results.

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You heard mine, before and after. I can post what it sounds like with the Borla Touring after I get home.

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I've had them for about 500 miles. Installed them myself with jack stands in my garage.

My car is a 2012 manual vert. The only mod I have is an aftermarket shifter. To be honest, I can't say I noticed that much of a difference. I've only had this car a few months though, so I might not have been too used to how it felt before shorties. I've always been pleased with how this motor pulls.

Sound is not much different than stock, probably quieter until you really get on it.

My other mustang is a 2000 v6 manual, and the 3.7 motor is streets ahead of that old 3.8.
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