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Old 02-21-2015, 02:04 PM   #1
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Tune required?

Hey guys I'm new to the mustang world as i just recently bought one a couple months ago. I've been researching about some different setups and I feel good about getting some BBK shorty headers from Americanmuscle but I can't figure out if I will have to tune my car afterwards. Can anyone tell me if a tune is required after I install the shorty headers with an aftermarket axle back exhaust? Thanks in advance!
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No tune required.

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You would gain more from a tune though

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Old 02-21-2015, 04:12 PM   #6
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I would gain more by tuning than just bolting it on?
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:23 PM   #7
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The tune will complement the mods.

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Old 02-21-2015, 04:26 PM   #8
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Its like if
you bolt that on the cpu thinks nothin has changed. The tuner tells the car "hey you have more power than you know" and your able to unlock it

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As you're new in the aftermarket world I'll leave you with two tips, I will not be offended what so ever if you decide against them.

There are MUCH better products than BBK out there. Don't be fooled by their prices or marketing schemes.

Don't expect much out replacing stock manifolds with shorty headers. I'd actually say you could expect A LOT more out of a custom tune than shorty headers.
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As you're new in the aftermarket world I'll leave you with two tips, I will not be offended what so ever if you decide against them.

There are MUCH better products than BBK out there. Don't be fooled by their prices or marketing schemes.

Don't expect much out replacing stock manifolds with shorty headers. I'd actually say you could expect A LOT more out of a custom tune than shorty headers.
To add to that, I wouldn't recommend any other TB than Ford Racing. Less possible Drivability issues.
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Thanks guys. I'll take I'll the help I can get cause I am new to this stuff.
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As you're new in the aftermarket world I'll leave you with two tips, I will not be offended what so ever if you decide against them.

There are MUCH better products than BBK out there. Don't be fooled by their prices or marketing schemes.

Don't expect much out replacing stock manifolds with shorty headers. I'd actually say you could expect A LOT more out of a custom tune than shorty headers.
So what headers would you recommend if I go tune + headers.
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Old 02-21-2015, 09:13 PM   #13
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I myself, wish i could get borla headers. But i cant find any place that sells just the headers.

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For those of you telling Tek1836 to get a tune, can you provide the details needed to later on get warranty work performed if something breaks. Keep in mind that Tek1836 has a new Mustang with a warranty.
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For those of you telling Tek1836 to get a tune, can you provide the details needed to later on get warranty work performed if something breaks. Keep in mind that Tek1836 has a new Mustang with a warranty.
Most people with a tune have a Mustang with a warranty.
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I myself, wish i could get borla headers. But i cant find any place that sells just the headers.

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So what's wrong with the bbk headers? Are they just cheaply made?
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I personally dont think anything is wrong with bbk. If i cant find borla headers, i will get the bbk ceramic shorty headers from AM.

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Ok. So is the ceramic headers a better quality than the chrome headers?
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I believe so because the ceramic ones disipate the heat better.

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That and chrome is kinda tacky imo. I'd only get chrome if i was planning on adding 22" spinners also. XD

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I would just like to keep my exhaust the same brand and not frankenstein it. But if it cant be helped, then oh well.

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I like the bbk ceramic lt headers they look good and sound good you'll definitely need a tune for these

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There is no tune required for shorty headers. You can run the stock tune.

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That and chrome is kinda tacky imo. I'd only get chrome if i was planning on adding 22" spinners also. XD

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Chrome plated headers will eventually turn to a more blue ish color due to the heat over time. Ceramic will stay that shiny chrome ish color over time and will help with heat reduction. I have the chrome ones but I should have opted for the ceramic ones as they get awfully hot! If your going to do headers don't make the mistake I did.....go with ceramic.

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I never said anything was wrong with BBK's headers, I just said there are much better brands out there with better-designed products.

I recommend long tube headers if you're going to do aftermarket headers. I've been told the install is the worst part and aren't worth the gains with shorty headers (if you're after performance gains).
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So what's the deal with the heat? Does that hurt the exhaust flow? Sorry for so many questions, like I said I'm new to this stuff.
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I believe that ceramic headers will help help keep the temperature down in your engine compartment allowing your intake to suck up colder air as for chrome headers they will heat up and temp will go up giving you less colder and a slightly less performance gain especially cars with turbos and bigger mods.

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Yeah man, regardless what brand you go with just make sure you go ceramic if you're getting coated but ideally stainless steel. If you plan to drop the cash to change out the headers then you should really consider just going long tune or mid-length so you see some benefit for your buck.

They will require a matching mid pipe (which will be beneficial to the flow, the power and the sound) and a tune will also be required to modify your cpu to account for your adjustments so you can take advantage of the upgrades and not leave anything on the table, this will also assure you don't have issues with Check Engine Light alerts.

As for tuning goes, previously someone mentioned something about warranty work and tunes rhetorically spiteful rather than informatively helpful so here is what they were talking about... If you use an aftermarket tune, that will void your warranty immediately so if you take it in for warranty work and they recognize it they you are pretty much screwed. If you buyer a tuner then you do have the option of returning to the stock tune prior to any Ford servicing(which is what I do and they have never been able tell) but they do have the capability of reviewing cpu flash history to determine if it has been tuned but that just depends on who the individual at Ford inspecting it and their personal knowledge on that and their determination to find a reason to void your warranty.
You can get more conservative tunes or racing tunes; regardless of what you do you will have a very noticeable increase in your vehicles pep. When I tuned mine I couldn't understand the hype because I thought it was a beast just stock. Then I did it and I now understand the hype. I will say though, not all tunes are created equal. I use Steeda because it's reliable and very effective, free tunes for life and they have had 0 engine failures with their tunes (BAMA 5+ EF) and the guys there at Steeda are quick, efficient and awesome to work with.

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I wasn't aware of any proven bama tuned 3.7 failures. Can you post some facts?

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509 and Coyote left some good feedback.

In short:

1) Heat = bad. Cold air in more dense > engine likes cold air... Ceramic = colder. Natural (stainless steal) is good too.

2) Tuning + warranty is a very controversial subject. Some dealerships endorse it, others (most) don't. However, there are laws protecting you. Just be smart (choose a good tuner).

I also recommend Steeda for entry level tunes. Safe and reliable with a solid reputation.
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I'll see what I can find for proof tomorrow because I'm not positive of the 3.7 stats for BAMA but to me it wouldn't matter if it was the motor on a go-kart if their product made it fail I wouldn't void my warranty with it.
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Alright good to know. Thanks guys!
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Any update on this mod Tek? Looking at Shorty Headers here too.
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