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Old 05-05-2015, 03:11 PM   #1
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BBK Shorty Install

How hard is the BBK Shorty Install? I have seen everything from almost impossible to not that bad. It is hard to judge though, because I don't know the level of wrenching the people making those comments have.

So for someone with a good tool box and years of experience with a wrench, how hard is it really?

Does the difficulty make the MAC (or another brand) a better option?
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Just make sure you have extensions, flex head wrench. You will be fine.
It's just a very tight spot so be patient
Also ratcheting wrench helps speeding up the process a lot too


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By the way removing the battery tray did help a lot too.


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Sweet, thanks. Now I just need to get up to 50 posts really quick so I can place my big order with American Muscle and get a big discount
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I agree with sunnytan06.
As an after thought for my installation, I would make sure that the studs in the block are all the way in.
EDIT: Before you buy check out autoanything.com. They offer discounts frequently.
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I agree with sunnytan06.
As an after thought for my installation, I would make sure that the studs in the block are all the way in.

Yea make sure you check the bolts after you warm up the car. Mine stayed on pretty well and no need to retouch. But it's better to check just in case of leaking


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OK, remove battery tray and check the studs. Check.
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OK, remove battery tray and check the studs. Check.
just for the fun of it I checked prices at autoanything and American Muscle.
autoanything = $360 - 15% first buyer discount = $306
American Muscle = $400 - 6% = $376 (more than autoanythings regulalar price.)
Both are free shipping.
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I bought a 1/2in ratcheting wrench and it helped tremendously. Also sprayed the studs with PB blaster the night before and let it soak overnight. Took about 2.5hrs. Just be patient and remember to re tighten after 500 miles.


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Wow that is quite a bit cheaper. Ceramic for almost the price of the chrome at other places.
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When you get up to 50 post, do you get discounts from there on out or is it just a one time deal?


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I believe it is from that point on.
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What about header bolts instead of reusing the studs and nuts?


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What about header bolts instead of reusing the studs and nuts?


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The stock nuts will work fine. A couple of my studs pulled out so I just made sure to reinstall very carefully not to strip the aluminum head.


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It's gonna give you some trouble if you're just on a jack with a few wrenches, be patient and be ready to be frustrated, especially putting on the new passenger side header.


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What about ramps? I am in the process of building set of ramps for my 1953 ex-greyhound bus so I can replace the air brake chambers. They are an 8" lift.
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Ramos will do just fine. I'm going to do a write up in the next few days on the install. I defiantly recommend ratcheting wrenches. Swivel sockets or swivel bit. Extensions and a breaker bar for the bottom bolts on the stock x or h pipe. What ever that thing is. Over all not to bad of a job. Just have to have patients. I have very big hands but a lot of experience wrenching on my own cars. Not to bad so far on the install.


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Ramos will do just fine. I'm going to do a write up in the next few days on the install. I defiantly recommend ratcheting wrenches. Swivel sockets or swivel bit. Extensions and a breaker bar for the bottom bolts on the stock x or h pipe. What ever that thing is. Over all not to bad of a job. Just have to have patients. I have very big hands but a lot of experience wrenching on my own cars. Not to bad so far on the install.


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When you say "ratcheting wrenches" I believe you're referring to the same ones I used. (Racheting box end wrench) These...
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What may have been even better (I didn't have at the time) are these flexible version of the racketing box end wrench.
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Either is pretty cheap at Harbor Freight Tool. with a coupon of course.
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Looks like I might need to make a trip to Harbor Freight for those swivel ratchet wrenches. I have a regular set of ratchet wrenches, but those look nice.
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Yes those are what I'm referring to. I used the swivel type for the install. By far easier and I defiantly recommend them. I tried my regular ratcheting wrenches at first and opted quickly for the swivel.


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Yes those are what I'm referring to. I used the swivel type for the install. By far easier and I defiantly recommend them. I tried my regular ratcheting wrenches at first and opted quickly for the swivel.


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+1 I had to use a box end wrench on the rear passenger nut because there wasn't enough clearance to get the ratcheting wrench out. So be sure to use a box end wrench on the rear passenger nut.


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Thanks for the great advice, hopefully I will be ordering them today.
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Here is another question to go with this. Which axle backs with this? I like deep low throaty motors. I test drove a V6 with Pypes on it and I hated it, I thought I would have to put a big wing on the back and tape over the gas cap or something. The only thing it was missing was a Honda emblem.

So which ones are the deepest without being insanely loud?
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I suggest that you buy the header bolts. It will make the install much easy. Size for 3.7 header bolt is at the pic below. Also, use a close wrench as an extension to tighten the bolts but do not over tighten. Stock metal gasket is also the best choice. If you can get a new one, it's much preferrable. Cork gasket easily breaks and cause leaks.

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You must have smaller hands than I because doing the bottoms for me would be a nightmare. I'm good just re torquing them every now and then. And the bbk gasket is typical aftermarket material and will last several years providing it's installed properly and maintained well enough. I've always used there gaskets with no issues.


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On a side note. The mufflers you chose is up to you. I have the roush ab and think they sound great paired with headers. There a lot louder new but once broke. In sound great.

Magnasflows will be deeper than roush
I believe Borla attacks r about the same just louder than roush. Correct me if I'm wrong someone.
Have not heard frpb in person but the videos sound good.

Honestly you need to get out and hear different set ups in person. YouTube videos don't do any exhaust system justice. It's really hard to judge them properly without being in person. Took me two months to decide and I'm still changing things a bit lol. I have bbk shortys and roush ab. Next step I might cut out stock resonators and replace with longer ones. Just some FYI on resonators. There purpose is to filter out unwanted noise. Ex rasp or crackles.
They also help improve the deeper notes by amplifying them. The longer the resonator the more sound it filters out. Stock resonators are around 12". I'm planning on going to 18-22" depending on what I feel when I order them.


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What is the advantage of the bolts vs the studs and how hard is it to get the old studs out?

Seems to me like the risk of stripping the threads in the aluminum heads is a lot higher with bolts.
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Studs to me are the better option. Way less chance of over tightening plus the bottom rear one has to be a stud due to figment unless you used a shorter bolt. Jmo


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Oh forgot to mention. The old studs r easy to get out. Atleast mine were. They all came out with the nut on them. I would imagine there the same on every motor because it's an aluminum block so you don't have two carbon steel components (your block and the header bolt) rusting together. The part of the stud that was in the block looked brand new while the outside was obviously rusting.


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The factory studs are also a socket head. I forget the size but it will be in my write up


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When you get to the bottom at the passenger side. That stud is PIA as you be forced to use open wrench and range of motion is very limited.
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No way to get a socket back there even with some swivels?
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Because there was only about an 1/8" space (on that bottom passenger side) between the en of the stud and the side of the header and I couldn't get my open ended wrench to turn it, I ground down one side of a box end wrench enough to slip it over the stud. LOL
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If you wore wheel the stud before putting it back in the motor the bolt will be free spinning enough you can turn it with your fingers a good bit. Save some wrench time


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Its an easy job, its just tedious. Some of those bolts will take you a long time to tighten. It took me around 2 hours for like 3 bolts. Not 2 hours straight, there was some cussing, throwing of tools, a few hand cramps and a couple of breaks...be ready to dedicate 4-6 hours to do this...oh yeah bring your patience.
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