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Old 05-06-2015, 03:32 PM   #36
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why do we care about science when we are talking about turbos
If you're being sarcastic, ha-ha, if you're asking me a serious question lol... then that conversation is obviously going to be over your head.
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I get it. Lets just not let it get out of hand...capeeshe?
I'm not....I'm the one who is making relevant and accurate commentary....I think your issues should be directed elsewhere.
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If you're being sarcastic, ha-ha, if you're asking me a serious question lol... then that conversation is obviously going to be over your head.
I might have been quoting a former turbo vendor on here...

Your conversations are over my head regardless but I do enjoy trying to understand them and learn lol.
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Yep, sorry I even brought it up. Don't have time to play right now, I have some deadlines to complete before I leave work for the day...as an engineer.
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Yep, sorry I even brought it up. Don't have time to play right now, I have some deadlines to complete before I leave work for the day...as an engineer.
As have I....
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While debating this STB issue, have yall invented the Flux Capacitor yet? With all this science and gigaram talk.

But to put my final 2 cents on this. Get whatever STB looks best and the one you can afford. I believe some of these are a bit cheaper then others so for some, this can be a deciding factor if you want other mods and are on a budget.
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While debating this STB issue, have yall invented the Flux Capacitor yet? With all this science and gigaram talk.

But to put my final 2 cents on this. Get whatever STB looks best and the one you can afford. I believe some of these are a bit cheaper then others so for some, this can be a deciding factor if you want other mods and are on a budget.
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I might have been quoting a former turbo vendor on here...

Your conversations are over my head regardless but I do enjoy trying to understand them and learn lol.
Whoops, I took that as a stab at me and was ready to go! Lol, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Cute thread, an stb is basically an stb. There are many kinds and many bolt patterns so I would say go with the one that you like and can afford. I doubt there's little difference between the two and four bolt

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Whoops, I took that as a stab at me and was ready to go! Lol, sorry for the misunderstanding.
I know much much better than to do that lol
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No, the Boss brace is a joke and mostly cosmetic.
WAIT???!! so ... I should just take mine off because its just extra weight?
It HAS to provide some performance factor! it was in the Performance Package!
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WAIT???!! so ... I should just take mine off because its just extra weight?
It HAS to provide some performance factor! it was in the Performance Package!
None of the Ford race teams use an STB, that should tell you something.

It provides a placebo effect.
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WAIT???!! so ... I should just take mine off because its just extra weight?
It HAS to provide some performance factor! it was in the Performance Package!
not as much improvement as the mirror caps.....

good to see we are all getting along now. As I said earlier I would like to see some blind testing by someone that is a "real" driver. I THINK they could tell but the remaining 99% of us I doubt it (but like my CAI it looks cool)
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My understanding was the the shock tower brace ties in with the firewall bracing triangulating the two and is indeed effective. If you take out the firewall brace then, well you have a placebo. Now my question. Does the K-brace work or does it just make me feel better?
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WAIT???!! so ... I should just take mine off because its just extra weight?
It HAS to provide some performance factor! it was in the Performance Package!
^^ It's there for that exact reason, people expect it to be. If you bought a "performance package" and it didnt have one, people would feel like it wasnt worth it.

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None of the Ford race teams use an STB, that should tell you something.

It provides a placebo effect.
^^ This exactly. Its the same reason Porsche and Ferrari use drilled / slotted rotors on their street cars, but premium blanks on their racecars. The drilled and slotted provide virtually no performance benefit, but "people expect them to be there."

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not as much improvement as the mirror caps.....

good to see we are all getting along now. As I said earlier I would like to see some blind testing by someone that is a "real" driver. I THINK they could tell but the remaining 99% of us I doubt it (but like my CAI it looks cool)
The differences from camber, shock valving, sway bar tuning, tire selection... are all going to outweigh the marginal benefits of a STB. In terms of horsepower, everything else i mentioned is headers, cat delete, intake, tune.... the STB would be like a catback.


A lot of factory cars actually triangulate the firewall to the shock towers anyways.

Mazdaspeed3, 335i, S550 mustangs ... the list goes on.
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Thanks for the info guys! I don't feel bad buying one as a cosmetic mod, especially knowing that's all it is.


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A lot of factory cars actually triangulate the firewall to the shock towers anyways.

Mazdaspeed3, 335i, S550 mustangs ... the list goes on.
Yeah like the 2015 Mustang GT Performance pack.
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Inspite of all the techno mumbo jumbo vs placebo psychology mine feels different than when it wasn't there. Does it corner better? Doubtful. For some reason on a particular mountain curve that has a bump in it the rear end hop is now less. Because of stiffer front end or placebo it matters not.


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In my experience, I've found just an extremely slight difference with the STB. Mostly over speed bumps.

I only picked it up because it was on sale for $69.99, and I'm not disappointed one bit.

Out of all suspension modifications, this one is that will do the absolute least. Hell, you'll get more gains out of just making sure your tires are properly inflated than a STB. But if you can be patient and wait until it goes on sale again for $69.99, why not.
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Take a turn at 80. Just try it. It's a gain. Try it without, hit the wall, get back to us.
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Take a turn at 80. Just try it. It's a gain. Try it without, hit the wall, get back to us.

If anything it will make it worse. Mustangs naturally have understeer. You need a stiffer rear sway bar to help. STB won't do crap for handling on a stock car.


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If anything it will make it worse. Mustangs naturally have understeer. You need a stiffer rear sway bar to help. STB won't do crap for handling on a stock car.


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You've obviously never driven Alabama's interstates Cali boy.
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So volt I'm assuming rear Strut tower braces are cosmetic as well or could they possibly help? Any opinion on swar bars?

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Take a turn at 80. Just try it. It's a gain. Try it without, hit the wall, get back to us.
not quite ... see below.

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If anything it will make it worse. Mustangs naturally have understeer. You need a stiffer rear sway bar to help. STB won't do crap for handling on a stock car.


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Not quite FWD cars naturally have understeer, and a stiffer RSB will fix this. The mustang is naturally prone to oversteer, but a stiffer front sway bar is the ticket.

Note* I had to check online to make sure i was saying that right lol. Understeer vs oversteer is always so hard for me to remember, i find that loose (oversteer) and push (understeer) are easier to imagine and remember.


Just had to fix the miata with a stiffer FSB. The back liked to come around (similar to a mustang) and would threaten a spin, but the stiffer FSB lets the front bite harder so now its more neutral.

- for those wondering, most factory cars are tuned to oversteer (loose) because its safer, you'll just spin. If you're on track and come in way too hot you'll just spin but stay in place. If you understeer (or push), or are more neutral, the car will just plow off track. Takes a careful understanding of how the cars being modded at that point.

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You've obviously never driven Alabama's interstates Cali boy.
Most turns tend to behave the same, regardless of geographic location.

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So volt I'm assuming rear Strut tower braces are cosmetic as well or could they possibly help? Any opinion on swar bars?

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Most of the time they are useless as most applications are reinforced through the trunk floor. The reason there is an argument for them in the front is because there is a big gaping hole where the engine is. This isnt to say there isnt a gain from something like an X-brace, because in that case you are triangulating things, but strictly a bar going from the top of the rear strut to the other = no dice.


As far as the swar bar, i have no experience with one, and if im honest, before Ronnie mentioned it i had never even heard of one. He seems quite happy with his though.
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Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car
Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the back of the car
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Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car
Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the back of the car
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Holy Jesus. I will actually remember that lol. Thank you king petty lol
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Richard Petty and the wallbreakers?
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I've felt a difference in my rear shock brace and front one. I'm one of those guys who over analyzes the car during driving.

You feel the rear kinda in your back. The front just feels better and tighter in the front.

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Remember, oversteer is the rear end hitting the wall.

Under steer is the front crashing into the wall.
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This is understeer:

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I didn't think that was an appropriate answer on here but yes. Spot on
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