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Old 07-08-2015, 07:22 PM   #1
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Hi all, I'm considering getting a set of BBK Ceramic Shorties installed and wanted to see what opinions are of the "bang for buck" from owners.

I am in CT and got quoted for $750 for the shorties+labor total...how reasonable is this price and have any of you in the area gotten a better price?

Finally....are low end and mid range gains really noticeable on your butt dynos? (Or real dynos)

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I've been quoted $700 for install at a Mustang shop near me. At $750 I might consider it for parts and labor.

But I really want the JBA titanium coated shorty headers and they are $500 alone...
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Hi all, I'm considering getting a set of BBK Ceramic Shorties installed and wanted to see what opinions are of the "bang for buck" from owners.

I am in CT and got quoted for $750 for the shorties+labor total...how reasonable is this price and have any of you in the area gotten a better price?

Finally....are low end and mid range gains really noticeable on your butt dynos? (Or real dynos)

Thanks
Macs are great, the install is very easy and give a nice low end hp bump.
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I've been quoted $700 for install at a Mustang shop near me. At $750 I might consider it for parts and labor.

But I really want the JBA titanium coated shorty headers and they are $500 alone...
You can get 20% off on the jba at auto anything right now.
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Hi all, I'm considering getting a set of BBK Ceramic Shorties installed and wanted to see what opinions are of the "bang for buck" from owners.

I am in CT and got quoted for $750 for the shorties+labor total...how reasonable is this price and have any of you in the area gotten a better price?

Finally....are low end and mid range gains really noticeable on your butt dynos? (Or real dynos)

Thanks
Do the install yourself, very easy and straight forward. No special tools needed.
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Just do some reading on here before you do it yourself. It's an easy instal just use some common sense and you'll do fine. It's defiantly not worth paying 700 for install fee. I did mine in under two hours start to finish.

Someone who's nots a monkey around cars like myself could expect to spend 6 hours on this but I wud say 3-4 is probably avg for most on here.

It is rewarding to do it yourself as you will appreciate it a lot more


As far as the low end tq. Yes you'll notice a difference. Not to mention the sound. You'll love them.



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I don't work on cars very often (the only things I've done are the axlebacks, roush splitter, steering rack stops...) how difficult do you think it would be for me if you think the install isn't worth the $400? How noticeable would you say is the difference in lower/mid range power?

Can this be done on Rhinoramps?

If anyone in CT or the tristate wants to help me with install for some cash hit me up
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Can be done on ramps but I would recommend a jack instead because I had to raise and lower the car several times for easy of instal. If you've done axle backs u can do these. There more time consuming but there easy.


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It's pretty noticeable in the low to mid range. It won't be as noticeable on the 2.73 gears but that's the gears fault. 3.31 and up will see a good difference in the gains


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I would come help you out if I was closer. If u need any tips on it feel free to pm me for any details you wud like.


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The Mac will be easier to instal than the bbk but I prefer the sound of the bbk better. I have installed both now one several cars and I personally like the sound of the bbk better however the Mac is a better quality.

Bbk welds are junk on these headers. I'm a Cwi/radiographer for my day job and I can tell you these welds are junk.


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1st) make sure your car is cooled off before working on it. 1 hour isn't enough.

2) drivers side header is easy. Passenger side is the tricky one due to space. I THINK you can remove the battery and tray for a little more room but not a ton. 1 of the rear passenger side bolts you will have to do from under the car. A ratchet wrench will only get you a few. You will have to use good ol' manual labor for about half of them with a normal wrench.

3) i used oem gaskets, i would prefer these but personal preference.

For a novice, expect to spend most of the day working on this. As you may drop bolts, etc. Some bolts may be tough to get out. A breaker/leverage bar will really help if you dont have an air ratchet.

Trust me, this s*** is ratchet....
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You will feel the pull after 3k RPM. I have Borla S types and they made the low rumble a tad more throatier.
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Wait...you only have the granny 2.73s?
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Shorty Header Install Questions!

Oh Kevin. You and your damn obsession with the oem gaskets .

You crack me up buddy.

Oem gaskets make some people feel better because they are a slightly better design than the after market are just fine if installed properly. just like the oems there only as good as the instal


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My only obsession (which I admit to), was turning my car into a sub-premium. Only because my previous stang was a premium and i couldn't handle the basic features of the base model. But that's neither here nor there. What's done is done....$2,500 later....
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The Mac will be easier to instal than the bbk but I prefer the sound of the bbk better. I have installed both now one several cars and I personally like the sound of the bbk better however the Mac is a better quality.

Bbk welds are junk on these headers. I'm a Cwi/radiographer for my day job and I can tell you these welds are junk.


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How do the two differ in sound?? My exhaust has a nice deep tone now but not raspy.

Which of the two has a deeper tone?
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I have 3.55s haha. Would you say the shorties are worth the $400-500? Are BBK welds really that bad? Has the 1-2k rpm changed much with the headers at all?
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Bbk is slightly deeper. Side by side with same exact set up u can tell. But if you heard one the. Installed the other you probably would not notice it much at all.

Both options will reduce the 2500-3k rasp that all of the axle backs produce. Some obviously more than others. It will make it sounds a lot throatier than they currently do


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Think I'm going to go with MACs. I'd rather go with the best made product
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I would say normal cruising you wont tell they are even there. I spent $300 on my bbk shorty ceramics. Had to call autoanything and ask about their pricing on them and how low they could go. Lol.

Welds seem poopy looking to be honest. My drivers side one ticks. But i had it inspected and no leaks or anything. So idk. Rpms and everything else are fine.
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Better quality and easier install 👍🏻

I recommend the macs to anyone new to installs who isn't super set on getting the deepest sound

If you want the depends get the bbk but there a slightly harder instal and the quality isn't as good

I grounded out all of the welds on mine and had them re welded by some welders I know through work. But I know not many would have the luxury of having that done for free like myself so I try to suggest the macs.


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Kevin's it's ticking because of your OEM GASKETS

just kidding. How did they perform there leak test? Is it possible your not fully tight on the coupling connection on the bottom? Fairly common mishap with these and there fit up.


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Yea. They removed the header and did a smoke test on it. I will probably get them welded to the couplers. Lol!
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I don't work on cars very often (the only things I've done are the axlebacks, roush splitter, steering rack stops...) how difficult do you think it would be for me if you think the install isn't worth the $400? How noticeable would you say is the difference in lower/mid range power?

Can this be done on Rhinoramps?

If anyone in CT or the tristate wants to help me with install for some cash hit me up
Good low end bump I have 6spd manual with 2.73. I used regular style car ramps
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Shorty Header Install Questions!

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Chances are good that you have a small crack in the weld just above the coupler. I've installed three of these sets and all three needed repaired there. The smoke tests don't usually show these cracks because they can't pressurize it like your motor does. Only way to find these minute cracks is to xray them or do a penetrant test them. Neither of which you can do unless you shipped them to me )

Keep in mind that as metal heats it expands. So that minute crack you have actually gets bigger as soon as you start the car and heat it up.

Have you noticed that you only hear the tick after a few minutes or it gets slightly louder after a few minutes


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The welds and ceramic coating are nice on the macs
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Anyone run highflow cats with the shorty headers??? Dont want to go cat-less, Sounds like crap in my opinion
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The ticking is immediate to be honest. I only hear it while driving. Not while idle. Could you show me in a pic where the leak might be?
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I noticed a nice low end assist in acceleration. Costed me 260.00 and the pass. Side had to be pressed down slightly to a smaller outlet on the collector so it'd fit deeper and seat better. Finally my mechanic sprayed some copper spray to help everything seal up. He did a nice job. Had my car overnight tho
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If u look at bigshows first pictur it the weld that joins all four tubes at the collector


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If u look at bigshows first pictur it the weld that joins all four tubes at the collector


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Bigshow14 posted two pictures above in this very thread.

The common weld to leak on the bbk is not on the park of the header that bolts to the motor. The weld I'm talking about is where the three individual pipes come together and are welded to the collector


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---------- Post added at 01:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:27 PM ----------

Might have want to say all three not four. My mistake 😏


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Yes that weld. I don't know how to do that


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