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Old 08-17-2015, 01:26 PM   #36
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So true. I have done all the Mods to my car myself including headers, x pipe, axle backs, cai, and throttle body. Everything works beautifully. I'm mechanically inclined, but definitely still learning lol


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So true. I have done all the Mods to my car myself including headers, x pipe, axle backs, cai, and throttle body. Everything works beautifully. I'm mechanically inclined, but definitely still learning lol


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Oh I gotcha. What were your numbers? I want to get mine on a dyno just out of curiosity. And I true dyno tune might be nice instead of my bama email tunes


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Oh I gotcha. What were your numbers? I want to get mine on a dyno just out of curiosity. And I true dyno tune might be nice instead of my bama email tunes


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Well there you go. I probably make half that lol


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Well there you go. I probably make half that lol


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Old 08-18-2015, 06:57 AM   #45
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Or ... just buy rims with the proper offset. 1" is a huge spacer ...
Agh, I cringe when I hear the word spacer...

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2014 DIB 3.7 w/ sport shift "Blue Cyclone"

I have American Racing razor's 18x9" they fit my 2012 3.7 Cyclone {RIP}, I buy a 2014 3.7 Cyclone and the wheels don't fit the rear?? So, I buy 5/16" spacers and have enjoyed them 1 year now.
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Agh, I cringe when I hear the word spacer...

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Old 08-18-2015, 11:42 AM   #48
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Torqued em down to 100ft/lbs, checking them again tonight


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Torqued em down to 100ft/lbs, checking them again tonight


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Did the spacers say 100 pounds?
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The install instructions say 100ft/lbs. everything I could find on a Google search said 100. Honestly that sounds light to me but I went with it, I don't want to snap a stud. My buddy just did that on his '99


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Nothing wrong with a good quality spacer installed correctly.
Bolt on Spacers tend to fail in motorsports applications, some places wont even let you run with them in, you have to run a sandwhich style with extended studs. That being said, not something here very many people need to worry about.
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Bolt on Spacers tend to fail in motorsports applications, some places wont even let you run with them in, you have to run a sandwhich style with extended studs. That being said, not something here very many people need to worry about.
Those are the weakest kind.....but still, there is nothing wrong with them even in motorsports.
I've run them over 150 mph for decades on oval track cars that generate hella sidebite and slam wheels and everything. Never a problem, ever.
Look at the pics I posted several posts back, everything bent EXCEPT the spacer....so if they are stronger than the wheel AND the axle.....how strong do they need to be?

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Fair enough, just passing on what i've seen / heard. Going to bow out to your experience in this case
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So Entities19, I'm assuming when you pulled your rim you let loose with an "ah ha"?
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Those are the weakest kind.....but still, there is nothing wrong with them even in motorsports.
I've run them over 150 mph for decades on oval track cars that generate hella sidebite and slam wheels and everything. Never a problem, ever.
Look at the pics I posted several posts back, everything bent EXCEPT the spacer....so if they are stronger than the wheel AND the axle.....how strong do they need to be?

Then your experience is the exception, I've personally seen them fail in autocross, drag racing and 4 wheeling scenarios. And my experience with a hubcentric spacer wasn't very good either. A nice vibration over 45 mph caused me to pull them off pretty quickly. Some people also swear by dumping eggs in their radiators to stop leaks. Or using a torch to heat springs while on a car to lower it. Sure it sometimes works, but doesn't mean it's the correct way to do it and won't cause problems. To each their own. I would be hard pressed to find someone who would take a wheel spacer over a properly backspaced wheel. Not only is it safer, it looks better.

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That's just ridiculous. If I am the exception, that means everyone else has failures but me. If that were true, there wouldn't be any one successfully using them and they would disappear from the market, but that isn't true is it....no, it's not. The realty is that failures are the extremely rare exception and can be directly attributed to poor quality and poor installation. There are people out there that can fvck up an anvil.....and then they'll tell you that anvils are bad. Sorry you had such bad luck with them but the VAST majority of users have no problems at all. Oh, and the guy with the eggs in his radiator? That's the kind of guy that would fvck up his wheel spacers too.
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In my opinion there isn't a single modification that's been done to a car that SOMEONE hasn't had a bad experience with. But it's usually human error


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There's Human error in designing parts as well. Food for thought. Chances are if you just drive the car normal you will never had a problem, but that's still not a chance some of us are willing to take.

I have no problem with spacers, but my distrust of them increases exponentially with their increase in thickness.
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I wonder if that guy that puts an egg in his radiator has a quick fix for the potential of the airbag killing him with shrapnel?
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Here's a question for you.........what do you think is stronger?
1) low pressure Cast aluminum
2) 6061 T6 Billet aluminum

anybody want to take a stab at this?
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The problem is never with the spacer or material itself, its the stress on the hub and lugs. Whats stronger, a wheel bolted directly to the hub, or spaced 1" out?

Then you get into different platforms and applications, on the miatas we run 15 x 7 wheels that arent even 25 lbs with tires, on the mustangs, its not uncommon to have a 60+ lb wheel and tire combo. Obviously the hubs and lugs are of much different build and stature, but thats still a ton of power and weight in the mustang's case.
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The problem is never with the spacer or material itself, its the stress on the hub and lugs. Whats stronger, a wheel bolted directly to the hub, or spaced 1" out?

Then you get into different platforms and applications, on the miatas we run 15 x 7 wheels that arent even 25 lbs with tires, on the mustangs, its not uncommon to have a 60+ lb wheel and tire combo. Obviously the hubs and lugs are of much different build and stature, but thats still a ton of power and weight in the mustang's case.
let me ask you this...what is the difference between a wheel that is spaced out 1" and a wheel with 1" more offset? The lugs and hubs see the exact same leverage.
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let me ask you this...what is the difference between a wheel that is spaced out 1" and a wheel with 1" more offset? The lugs and hubs see the exact same leverage.
I was thinking the same thing but thinking more about it, the rim may be in the same position on both examples but the load imposed on the hub is still 1" further out.
EDIT: That 1" offset rim load is taken up by the rim design and transferred back to the hub (with some added shear load).

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I was thinking the same thing but thinking more about it, the rim may be in the same position on both examples but the load imposed on the hub is still 1" further out.
EDIT: That 1" offset rim load is taken up by the rim design and transferred back to the hub (with some added shear load).

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The load on the hub is multiplied by the distance from the center of the contact patch of the tire to the hub face itself....in the case of a 1" spacer and a 1" increased offset.....the contact patch is in the same place, ergo the load is the same.
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I wonder if that guy that puts an egg in his radiator has a quick fix for the potential of the airbag killing him with shrapnel?
I've never done egg (although Mud likes Yankee Farmer fixes) but I bet covering the steering wheel in a layer of duct tape would work.


I gotta point out this is a bad idea even though I wonder if it would work....
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The load on the hub is multiplied by the distance from the center of the contact patch of the tire to the hub face itself....in the case of a 1" spacer and a 1" increased offset.....the contact patch is in the same place, ergo the load is the same.
Yeah...Definitely the same load, as you say.
I was looking at the point of transfer of the load from the rim to the hub bolts, which gets moved out an inch from the hub. So assuming what's used to transfer that load that inch back to the hub is up to the full load transfer, totally the same as a rim with the appropriate offset.
Really not disagreeing, kinda thinking out load.
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Yeah...Definitely the same load, as you say.
I was looking at the point of transfer of the load from the rim to the hub bolts, which gets moved out an inch from the hub. So assuming what's used to transfer that load that inch back to the hub is up to the full load transfer, totally the same as a rim with the appropriate offset.
Really not disagreeing, kinda thinking out load.
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I've never done egg (although Mud likes Yankee Farmer fixes) but I bet covering the steering wheel in a layer of duct tape would work.


I gotta point out this is a bad idea even though I wonder if it would work....
Just don't use that cheap duct tape. Gotta use that Gorilla duct tape.

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