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Old 08-18-2015, 12:37 AM   #1
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Finally running nitrous! I'm doing 100 shot without tune. Is 200 too much with stock internals and a tune?


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If buying another one is no problem then why even ask question in first place


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I couldn't agree more with this statement. Nitrous is an easy way to get power but will kill the engine if your using a 200 shot.


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I couldn't agree more with this statement. Nitrous is an easy way to get power but will kill the engine if your using a 200 shot.


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He's running a 100 shot without a tune, that's plenty to kill it on its own. Going to a 200 untuned will likely ventilate the block on the first hit.

OP you should order that replacement engine now. Yours isn't long for this world.
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OP you should order that replacement engine now. Yours isn't long for this world.



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Lol, why do you guys have to be dick heads about it though? Just asked a simple question. No need to get all stupid about it


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No dick headery intended pal. I just asked why you even bothered to ask the question. If buying a new motor is no big deal. With that mindset it sounds like you should have bought the 5.0 instead.


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I was being sarcastic for the fact that the guy above had said rip engine with no insight and just stating an opinion


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Well, it shouldnt take much forethought that adding 100+ horsepower to an engine will require at least some re calibration ...

That being said, as far as a 200 shot goes, lets do some ricer math here. Assuming your car makes a flat 300 whp, the 200 shot would put you in the ~500 whp ball park, which shouldnt be hard for the stock motor. Horsepower isnt what breaks things though, its torque, so depending on how you have the shot set up will be the determining factor. A kit is only as good as the safety features and electronics running it.
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Well, it shouldnt take much forethought that adding 100+ horsepower to an engine will require at least some re calibration ...

That being said, as far as a 200 shot goes, lets do some ricer math here. Assuming your car makes a flat 300 whp, the 200 shot would put you in the ~500 whp ball park, which shouldnt be hard for the stock motor. Horsepower isnt what breaks things though, its torque, so depending on how you have the shot set up will be the determining factor. A kit is only as good as the safety features and electronics running it.

Thank you for the help and giving me a better understanding of things. I have a wet nitrous kit from zex and I'm going to get it professionally installed so if I end up going for 200, the safety features and electronics work good


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Thank you for the help and giving me a better understanding of things. I have a wet nitrous kit from zex and I'm going to get it professionally installed so if I end up going for 200, the safety features and electronics work good


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Get a window switch installed. The Zex NMU while okay, will read you at WOT very low in the rpm band and fire off. It happened on my 2006 - was lining up moving into the beams and brought the rpm up to 2,000 and the NMU decided that was WOT and fired off. Get a window switch and set your opening window appropriately (not sure what that is for the 3.7, on the 4.0 I had it set to open at 2,700 rpm.

Firing off too low in the rpm band is what also breaks the engine.
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#1 mistake is running a 200 shot through a single nozzle. Especially a crap ZEX kit.
Also having the nitrous come in at anything under 3,000 rpms on a stock motor is also dumb.

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you need to pull 2 degrees of timing for every 50hp added so about 4 degrees back... i ran a 100shot all day with an mpt nitrous tune... AFR's were in the 11-11.5 range when spaying. i still have that nitrous outlet plate if you wanna step your game up...
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#1 mistake is running a 200 shot through a single nozzle. Especially a crap ZEX kit.
Also having the nitrous come in at anything under 3,000 rpms on a stock motor is also dumb.

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I agree. 150 shot max and I would go ahead and have it tuned for it. Keep in mind, N2O makes crazy torque, so make sure your drive train is up to par. I've used N2O on previous Mustangs for years. It is a very reliable power adder if done right. Good luck.

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I appreciate the help and comments of those who didn't want to be smart asses and talk smack of the back. I'll be sure to run a tune on 100 shot


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I have to be honest here. When you guys talk Nitrous and mention things like single nozzle, window switch, wet, dry, spicey, mild BBQ, makes me realize. I don't know crap about Nitrous. Ba ha ha ha

I was always told Nitrous was the quickest way to kill an engine. After listening to Rap about it, I'm not so sure Nitrous will damage an engine when done right? I need to learn more about Nitrous.

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I have to be honest here. When you guys talk Nitrous and mention things like single nozzle, window switch, wet, dry, spicey, mild BBQ, makes me realize. I don't know crap about Nitrous. Ba ha ha ha

I was always told Nitrous was the quickest way to kill an engine. After listening to Rap about it, I'm not so sure Nitrous will damage an engine when done right? I need to learn more about Nitrous.

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Lmao that BBQ nitrous is the best

It is just as "safe" as any power adder out there. As long as done right your good to go.

All the old rumors about nitrous are crap. I blame the fast and furious movies personally. And I love those movies

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So Rap, my good buddy. Let's say I wanted to add a nitrous kit to my 3.7. Give it to me sir. What would I need to have it done right and safe? What parts, what exact kit? How much of a shot can a factory stock 3.7 block handle safely? 75, 100, 150 shot??

Is the brand N20 the best choice. Rap, can you come to Maryland and set my kit up. Ha ha ha. I trust you bro.

Is a nitrous kit the best bang for the buck for F.I over turbo or supercharger? Doesn't the bottle have to be kept warm in order to spray? How many times can you spray on a bottle. This Nitrous ***** is confusing as heck. Ha ha

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Lmao that BBQ nitrous is the best

It is just as "safe" as any power adder out there. As long as done right your good to go.

All the old rumors about nitrous are crap. I blame the fast and furious movies personally. And I love those movies

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Who doesn't love a little fast and furious. Ha ha

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Just go watch The Fast and the Furious. Everything you need to know is on there. Right Rap?
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Just go watch The Fast and the Furious. Everything you need to know is on there. Right Rap?
Great, so now I have to get a bowl of import rice.

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So Rap, my good buddy. Let's say I wanted to add a nitrous kit to my 3.7. Give it to me sir. What would I need to have it done right and safe? What parts, what exact kit? How much of a shot can a factory stock 3.7 block handle safely? 75, 100, 150 shot??

Is the brand N20 the best choice. Rap, can you come to Maryland and set my kit up. Ha ha ha. I trust you bro.

Is a nitrous kit the best bang for the buck for F.I over turbo or supercharger? Doesn't the bottle have to be kept warm in order to spray? How many times can you spray on a bottle. This Nitrous ***** is confusing as heck. Ha ha

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I prefer nitrous over a supercharger or a turbo personally. It's just personal preference. People talk Mess bc you have to refill bottles blah blah.......

I would go with the plate kit from nitrous outlet.
- A purge ( gets air out of lines )
- Window switch ( let's you set when you want your nitrous to come on and off )
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I would do a 100 to start then move up to a 150
How long a bottle last depends in the size of the bottle what shot your running, and how long you stay in it.

For a rough estimate. 100 shot will get you 10 real good runs out of a 10lb bottle.

Brand wise I prefer nitrous express. That's all I have ever used. From my bike all the way to my coyote.

But for your application the plate kit from nitrous outlet is the best bet.

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The purge is what you see when cars are rolling up the line right?
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The purge is what you see when cars are rolling up the line right?
Yes sir

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I prefer nitrous over a supercharger or a turbo personally. It's just personal preference. People talk Mess bc you have to refill bottles blah blah.......

I would go with the plate kit from nitrous outlet.
- A purge ( gets air out of lines )
- Window switch ( let's you set when you want your nitrous to come on and off )
- colder plugs
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- pressure gauge
I would do a 100 to start then move up to a 150
How long a bottle last depends in the size of the bottle what shot your running, and how long you stay in it.

For a rough estimate. 100 shot will get you 10 real good runs out of a 10lb bottle.

Brand wise I prefer nitrous express. That's all I have ever used. From my bike all the way to my coyote.

But for your application the plate kit from nitrous outlet is the best bet.

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Thank you sir. Maybe stupid question but does a 100 shot add 100 rwhp or is that 100 HP to the crank?

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Thank you sir. Maybe stupid question but does a 100 shot add 100 rwhp or is that 100 HP to the crank?

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Last I heard, it's become fairly difficult finding places to refill in MD and mostly are charging north of $7.50/lbs.
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Last I heard, it's become fairly difficult finding places to refill in MD and mostly are charging north of $7.50/lbs.
Really, good grief. Any word on filling up in the State of Delaware. I live like 15 minutes from Delaware. 👍

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Thank you sir. Maybe stupid question but does a 100 shot add 100 rwhp or is that 100 HP to the crank?

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It really depends on the car and how it's set up, how much the engine can use, etc. The typical N2O system uses a 10 lb bottle, meaning it holds 10 lbs of liquid n2o. Total weight of said bottle when full is roughly 25 lbs, if I remember correctly. When the N2O is released it turns into a gas and is extremely cold (another benefit of using n2o). Fuel is added mechanically (tapping into fuel rail, wet system) or increasing pressure on the fuel pressure regulator or altering the tune to have the computer add more fuel (dry system). The purge is to expell any air in the line (as stated previously), so the n2o is ready at the solenoid. It is also used to get the bottle at the desired pressure (typically 900-1000 psi, depending on application). A bottle heater can be used to reach desired pressure, especially on cold track days/nights. By no means should anyone heat the bottle with a torch. It heats unevenly and has been known to cause bottle explosions. I would say our cars would make about 75-80 rwhp using a 100 shot. I think you would be safe up to a 150 shot imo. Hope this explains some things and helps.

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It really depends on the car and how it's set up, how much the engine can use, etc. The typical N2O system uses a 10 lb bottle, meaning it holds 10 lbs of liquid n2o. Total weight of said bottle when full is roughly 25 lbs, if I remember correctly. When the N2O is released it turns into a gas and is extremely cold (another benefit of using n2o). Fuel is added mechanically (tapping into fuel rail, wet system) or increasing pressure on the fuel pressure regulator or altering the tune to have the computer add more fuel (dry system). The purge is to expell any air in the line (as stated previously), so the n2o is ready at the solenoid. It is also used to get the bottle at the desired pressure (typically 900-1000 psi, depending on application). A bottle heater can be used to reach desired pressure, especially on cold track days/nights. By no means should anyone heat the bottle with a torch. It heats unevenly and has been known to cause bottle explosions. I would say our cars would make about 75-80 rwhp using a 100 shot. I think you would be safe up to a 150 shot imo. Hope this explains some things and helps.

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Thanks sir. Makes sense to be.

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Thanks sir. Makes sense to be.

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No problem. Oh and you will probably see somewhere between 5-10 1/4 mile passes on a bottle. When having it filled, ask to watch to make sure they don't short you and also ask them to cool the bottle before filling. A hot bottle does not like to be filled. In my old speed shop days, I had been known to fit up to 12 lbs of n2o into a 10 lb bottle. I would freeze the bottle first and it would just suck the n2o in.

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Thank you sir. Maybe stupid question but does a 100 shot add 100 rwhp or is that 100 HP to the crank?

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Depends on the brand. NX or nitrous outlet rate there's at the tires.
But also depends on the kit used. A single nozzle typically shows less at the tires then a plate. A direct port usually shows a little more

The crap company zex uses there's at the crank. And they suck

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