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Old 10-12-2015, 12:23 PM   #106
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Are you retarded? 2015 - 17 = 1998.

Model year 1999 cars were on the road in 1998.



Also 320 - 310 = 10

That's how many more horsepower my 17 year old car has than these brand new "high tech" cars.
Oh, your 4.6l V8 has 10 more HP than a 2.3L 4 cylinder. Do you want some cookies and milk Mr badass?
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Because we know who actually knows their s**t on this forum. It's not you.
Oh yeah? How do you know who knows their ****? They tell you what you want to hear?

here is some basic math for you. My 17 year old car makes 320 hp. The "high tech" ecoboost makes 310 hp.

320 - 310 = 10. Therefore, my bone stock 17 year old car is more powerful. Please enlighten me on how that is incorrect, Mr. "I changed the oil one time".
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That's very good data you got on those other cars. You should note that I do not have a 1998 cobra, though. And even if I did, you were comparing a turbocharged engine of current production to an engine that was on the road 19 years ago. Yup, pretty amazing technology! Till it breaks and breaks again
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I've made more horsepower on stock block turbo 4 cars that i have personally tuned than 2v and 3v GTs can handle, but please, keep telling me how much you know about things . Oh and, that was years ago by the way, and they're all still running and racing regularly.
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Not once did I say that. My 99 cobra is 17 years old. All of this "technology" over 17 years and you're still not beating me (bone stock) without a V8. Not even in the freaking turns!!

Like I said. The point of Muscle cars is to have a V8. If not interested in a V8, why not get a Nissan?
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Lol you "track" a car with SRA, but my Cobra isn't a track car because it has a SN-95 platform.

Beyond done talking to me.. because I don't go with you bull****t
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i have proven everything i have said, and you have been proven wrong on everything you have said. I fail to see where i am full of BS and you are not.

Also, a S-197, full weight, mild bolt on 5. holds damn near every single TT3 record in Texas, and the S-197 has no shortage of national championship wins. Now, i've backed up everything i have said, i'll even pull those TT3 links if you want. I've yet to see you back anything up though. If you prove me wrong i will happily admit it. I'll be waiting.
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... Have you even looked at my profile? And yes, there are a lot of idiots on this forum. I do not assimilate with bull ****. I call it out. That is why many do not like me here. 80% of the guys on here are just regurgitating what they heard from somebody else who is also regurgitating the info.
i have addressed several things that you have yet to answer... like the fact that all turbo 4s seem to blow up, or that your car has a competent chassis... sounds an awful lot like regurgitated mumbo jumbo to me.
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Are you retarded? 2015 - 17 = 1998.

Model year 1999 cars were on the road in 1998.



Also 320 - 310 = 10

That's how many more horsepower my 17 year old car has than these brand new "high tech" cars.
Your really clueless aren't you!! I was referring to where does it say 99 COBRA?? It says 99 gt!!
Oh wait i forgot to mention i just sold my 13 V6 for a 14 gt500 to some guy that wanted to upgrade from a 99gt. Lmao

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Oh yeah? How do you know who knows their ****? They tell you what you want to hear?

here is some basic math for you. My 17 year old car makes 320 hp. The "high tech" ecoboost makes 310 hp.

320 - 310 = 10. Therefore, my bone stock 17 year old car is more powerful. Please enlighten me on how that is incorrect, Mr. "I changed the oil one time".
Area under the curve, advantage: Ecoboost. Stock turbo cars are always taking out cars with more peak horsepower, because their area under the curve is stronger.
Sure, by the strict definition your car is more powerful, no argument there, but that does not automatically make it faster.
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We all are lol.

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Ya the race didn't go into specifics on what the s197 car had. Stock EB I think comes with 3.15 gears and the pp EB will get you 3.55.
Heck, I was way off. Lol. I would like to see a 3.7 with 3:55 gears vs 4 banger with 3:55 gears.

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Oh yeah? How do you know who knows their ****? They tell you what you want to hear?

here is some basic math for you. My 17 year old car makes 320 hp. The "high tech" ecoboost makes 310 hp.

320 - 310 = 10. Therefore, my bone stock 17 year old car is more powerful. Please enlighten me on how that is incorrect, Mr. "I changed the oil one time".
Ohh, insults. Bahahaha. Sign that you have given up any attempt at a pointless argument, know you have lost, and resort to derogatory tactics to cause an inflamed reaction because that is all you can now do.
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Your really clueless aren't you!! I was referring to where does it say 99 COBRA?? It says 99 gt!!
Oh wait i forgot to mention i just sold my 13 V6 for a 14 gt500 to some guy that wanted to upgrade from a 99gt. Lmao

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let me help you out: 1999 Ford CObra

have you ever heard of the "garage"?
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Heck, I was way off. Lol. I would like to see a 3.7 with 3:55 gears vs 4 banger with 3:55 gears.

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The official 3.7 defender Kona is going to be upset he missed this one lol.

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Panther is sitting back thinking: Mission accomplished, trolling complete.
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^^^that.

lets go back to the original ? which is very interesting. If I've read correctly you can get a stripper V6 with 3.55's. for the $ that would be sweet. as cheap and semi-fast
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Area under the curve, advantage: Ecoboost. Stock turbo cars are always taking out cars with more peak horsepower, because their area under the curve is stronger.
Sure, by the strict definition your car is more powerful, no argument there, but that does not automatically make it faster.
Area under the curve between 4500 and whenever shifting happens is more important when racing
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Just sounds like he's trying to convince himself that his 99 gt or cobra or whatever is super fast ..The 99 gt or cobra ran in the high 13s in the quarter mile so if you want to run your mouth panther get a car that you can back it up with.
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But did anyone mention that its not a "real Mustang" if it doesn't make 400+ hp from the factory? Sorry Panther welcome to our club. 😝😝😝😝

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He gone, finally realized he can't win I guess.
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Yea i almost forgot i just have a 6er how dare i question him
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I once beat a Kia Soul with my 3.7!Does that count for anything?

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This is a nice chart to have around for a discussion like this........
Ford 0-60 Times & Ford Quarter Mile Times | Ford Mustang, F-150, Focus, Escape, Thunderbird & more 0 to 60 stats!

Looks like the 1999 Cobra and the 2015 EcoBoost Premium Mustangs are a dead heat to 60 mph, and then the massive power of the V8 Cobra manages to beat the 4 cylinder EB Premium by .2 of a second in the 1/4 mile.......well within driver error and talent variance.....
Interesting that they don't list the 2015 V6's time.....but the last V6 time listed beats both the 99 Cobra and the new EB....and doesn't the new one have more power than two years ago?
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This is a nice chart to have around for a discussion like this........
Ford 0-60 Times & Ford Quarter Mile Times | Ford Mustang, F-150, Focus, Escape, Thunderbird & more 0 to 60 stats!

Looks like the 1999 Cobra and the 2015 EcoBoost Premium Mustangs are a dead heat to 60 mph, and then the massive power of the V8 Cobra manages to beat the EB Premium by .2 of a second in the 1/4 mile.......well within driver error and talent variance.....
Interesting that they don't list the 2015 V6's time.....but the last V6 time listed beats both the 99 Cobra and the new EB....
Boom, There goes Jimmy Fly Schnuka from the top rope

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Nice.
But tbh whether our 3.7 does beats a 99 cobra or new Eco really wasn't the point, the whole argument started when someone (Panther)stars slamming anything other than a V8 in a V6 forum, he's going to get slammed, especially when his 99 whatever is on par or below the cars he is slamming! Just dumb!!

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These days with the technology going on who would of thought that a 6 or a 4cyl engine would put out the hp that these engines do 15 20 yrs ago. The 5.0s are indeed a awesome car if i could of afforded one would of got one for sure but the 3.7 v6 is no longer the whipping boy anymore ...Kona Blue and the rest of you guys i think he's down for the count!
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These days with the technology going on who would of thought that a 6 or a 4cyl engine would put out the hp that these engines do 15 20 yrs ago. The 5.0s are indeed a awesome car if i could of afforded one would of got one for sure but the 3.7 v6 is no longer the whipping boy anymore ...Kona Blue and the rest of you guys i think he's down for the count!
Panther is being a bad kitty! 😉

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For some reason ... this image appeared in my head after I read that.




Also, don't the 99/01 Cobras run like high 13's @ 102 and dyno around 260 whp 280 wtq ... basically the same as the Mach 1?
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These days with the technology going on who would of thought that a 6 or a 4cyl engine would put out the hp that these engines do 15 20 yrs ago. The 5.0s are indeed a awesome car if i could of afforded one would of got one for sure but the 3.7 v6 is no longer the whipping boy anymore ...Kona Blue and the rest of you guys i think he's down for the count!
Its really not amazing technology. All they did was boost an engine and get pretty mediocre numbers.





The 1000CC Yamaha R1 was making 140 horsepower in 1998 with carburetors and natural aspiration.. For no particular reason, multiply that by ohhh lets say... 2.3.


And that engine is/was absolutely bomb proof and simple. THAT is good "technology".
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For some reason ... this image appeared in my head after I read that.




Also, don't the 99/01 Cobras run like high 13's @ 102 and dyno around 260 whp 280 wtq ... basically the same as the Mach 1?
Bro, so funny you said that. That's what I thought of when I posted it. Ha ha

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Yea about the same as 3.7 pretty impressive huh
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Its really not amazing technology. All they did was boost an engine and get pretty mediocre numbers.





The 1000CC Yamaha R1 was making 140 horsepower in 1998 with carburetors and natural aspiration.. For no particular reason, multiply that by ohhh lets say... 2.3.


And that engine is/was absolutely bomb proof and simple. THAT is good "technology".
Since the cylinder head and integrated twin scroll turbo design are so mediocre, why don't you describe exactly what about it isn't up to your standards? Why don't you tell me what exactly it is about dual variable valve timing that isn't amazing? Why dont you tell us all why direct injection + forced induction isn't all that good?


Also, your yamaha example is pretty poor, because you could also say multiply those numbers by, ohhh, lets say ... 4.6.
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Personally, I would never own a mustang that wasn't a V8! 😲😉

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and thats fine, thats not the issue, its ignorantly disregarding the potential of the other models.
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Also, don't the 99/01 Cobras run like high 13's @ 102 and dyno around 260 whp 280 wtq ... basically the same as the Mach 1?
Yeah they came with a manufacturing defect and all of them were fixed after that
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