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Old 10-12-2015, 03:11 PM   #141
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and thats fine, thats not the issue, its ignorantly disregarding the potential of the other models.
Oh wait. I own a 3.7, ba ha ha ha ha. ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ‘

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Its really not amazing technology. All they did was boost an engine and get pretty mediocre numbers.





The 1000CC Yamaha R1 was making 140 horsepower in 1998 with carburetors and natural aspiration.. For no particular reason, multiply that by ohhh lets say... 2.3.


And that engine is/was absolutely bomb proof and simple. THAT is good "technology".
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So do y'all think the 3.7 is on the way out of the Mustang line-up with no V6 option anymore, or will the 3.5 maybe replace it?

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Since the cylinder head and integrated twin scroll turbo design are so mediocre, why don't you describe exactly what about it isn't up to your standards? Why don't you tell me what exactly it is about dual variable valve timing that isn't amazing? Why dont you tell us all why direct injection + forced induction isn't all that good?


Also, your yamaha example is pretty poor, because you could also say multiply those numbers by, ohhh, lets say ... 4.6.
Those are a net-loss in terms of ownership. Yes, they do help the engine perform better when it is all working properly. However, it will not do that for long (relative to my engine).

I have owned turbo VCT cars before. They are capable of giving you nightmares that are not even possible with a naturally aspirated solid-cam V8.

More things to break = more mechanical/electrical failures. That is a statistical law. Combine that with the price of replacement parts and the fact that new cars are nauseating to work on, and tell me what you think after the warranty is up.


Just because a system is complex and adds a few valuable factors, does not mean that it is of "good technology". Any fool can make something more complex. Doing that is merely trading longevity for the short-term performance.
Good technology gains performance while either maintaining simplicity or losing complexity.
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Those are a net-loss in terms of ownership. Yes, they do help the engine perform better when it is all working properly. However, it will not do that for long (relative to my engine).

I have owned turbo VCT cars before. They are capable of giving you nightmares that are not even possible with a naturally aspirated solid-cam V8.

More things to break = more mechanical/electrical failures. That is a statistical law. Combine that with the price of replacement parts and the fact that new cars are nauseating to work on, and tell me what you think after the warranty is up.


Just because a system is complex and adds a few valuable factors, does not mean that it is of "good technology". Any fool can make something more complex. Doing that is merely trading longevity for the short-term performance.
Good technology gains performance while either maintaining simplicity or losing complexity.
This is such a weak argument. Be prepared naughty kitty lol.
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So do y'all think the 3.7 is on the way out of the Mustang line-up with no V6 option anymore, or will the 3.5 maybe replace it?

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I think the 3.7 days are numbered. Most models I see are 4 bangers then 5.0's. 4 bangers are all over the place. The 15 3.7, not so much.

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Oh wait. I own a 3.7, ba ha ha ha ha. ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ‘

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Nah man we got 5.0s also. But ours came with them Cylinder delete mods from Ford. Seems pretty popular on this forum.
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This is such a weak argument. Be prepared naughty kitty lol.


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So weak i'm not even going to bother with a rebuttal. Its clear he has no idea what I, or he for that matter, is talking about.

By the way, i have turbo cars that have well over 100k miles putting more horsepower and torque to the wheels than his puts to the crank, no matter they're all just ticking time bombs apparently lol.
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Ok so maybe you should look up the 3.7 engine and how ford designed it or the 5.0 and ecoboost before you reply ..What i was saying is that 15-20 years ago the engines and technology was quite different and the engines todays are much improved and better than past engines including your old 4.6
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I think the 3.7 days are numbered. Most models I see are 4 bangers then 5.0's. 4 bangers are all over the place. The 15 3.7, not so much.

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So weak i'm not even going to bother with a rebuttal. Its clear he has no idea what I, or he for that matter, is talking about.

By the way, i have turbo cars that have well over 100k miles putting more horsepower and torque to the wheels than his puts to the crank, no matter they're all just ticking time bombs apparently lol.
I knew you just couldn't resist! ๐Ÿ‘

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I knew you just couldn't resist! ๐Ÿ‘

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I typed out a whole bit on the Ecoboost's twin scroll turbo, Ti-vct, direct injection benefits and all that, and just decided it wasnt worth my time lol. Im just done.
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I would suggest going with the v6. It's cheaper which will give you room to put in a few mods to the car, and it's a bigger engine which might give you a bit of a nicer sound after putting on some aftermarket muffs or simply deleting the mufflers. At the end of the day you can't go wrong. Just really depends on what you're hoping to get out of the car when you buy it.


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For those that dont know, the Ecoboost has an integrated manifold / cylinder head and twin scroll turbo. In the most basic terms, cylinders 1-4 feed one scroll and 2-3 feed the other, so basically the exhaust pulses are always perfectly timed and optimized (Ti-vct helps too), instead of just cramming everything down an open flange. It really is some trick stuff, and makes awesome power making potential, an easy 15-25% advantage over a traditional single scroll flange.
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I do love my 3.7, but a little upset that I see Ford dumping it like a one night stand.

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[QUOTE=Voltwings;2301577Im just done.

I know its so hard to let go ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€.


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Did no one catch my easter egg in the 5.0 window sticker?
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Nah man we got 5.0s also. But ours came with them Cylinder delete mods from Ford. Seems pretty popular on this forum.
Lmfao. Dude, that's hilarious as can be. Cylinder delete mod kit.

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Hey if they do dump it no biggie still a great engine and i'll still enjoy it
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Lmfao. Dude, that's hilarious as can be. Cylinder delete mod kit.

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That's all I tell people. When they ask if I got a V8, I say "Sure, but it came with a cylinder delete kit from Ford."
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Did no one catch my easter egg in the 5.0 window sticker?
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I typed out a whole bit on the Ecoboost's twin scroll turbo, Ti-vct, direct injection benefits and all that, and just decided it wasnt worth my time lol. Im just done.
I am quite familiar with all of that. There is no need to tell me that it exists or how it works.

Basically, the vehicle gained an egregious amount of complex and interdependent systems, still gets mediocre mpg (maybe 3 mpg better than I get), and is less powerful than my car.

But hey, at least it has enough "amazing technology" to fly you to the moon and it sounds good as long as you get the fake V8 sound through your stereo lol
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Oh so its just ignorance! Glad we got that out of the way. ๐Ÿ˜€

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Dude this is 2015 not 1999 your gt is old the technology is old the 3.7 is just as fast as your gt as is the ecoboost so time to go in your gt forum and brag about your old school 99 gt maybe someone in there will care .
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By his definition, the mclaren P1 is crap. WAAAYY too complicated to work properly.

This same motor, albeit with some minor upgrades, is also making 350 hp in the Focus RS. Nevermind that it fails in comparison to a 4v 4.6. If Ford had their head out of their ***, they would have just put that engine in there!
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Wonder if he was saying the same thing about fuel injection when it became common place..

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Wonder if he was saying the same thing about fuel injection when it became common place..

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I actually think I thread similar to that came up a few months ago and he was!!!๐Ÿ˜‚
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He really needs to get in his 99 put a cassette in his cassette player and enjoy his 4.6 and his old school technology thinking
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I actually think I thread similar to that came up a few months ago and he was!!!๐Ÿ˜‚
Lol, why am I not surprised.

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Agreed, make me sad...๐Ÿ˜ž

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That's all I tell people. When they ask if I got a V8, I say "Sure, but it came with a cylinder delete kit from Ford."
you didn't by chance get the yolo******bag tune as well did you? i hear those are the best tunes on the market for mustangs, hahaha.
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No doubt the 99 Cobra back in the day was great and considered fast. Now in 2015 the 3.7's and 4 banger are equally as fast. You take a 99 Cobra factory against a 2011 3.7 factory with the same gearing , they will be darn near equal in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. The 3.7 may actually edge is out even though it has less torque, but with the new 6 speed and the powerband of the 3.7, the 3.7 may edge it out. The 2V's are cool but old technology.

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you didn't by chance get the yolo******bag tune as well did you? i hear those are the best tunes on the market for mustangs, hahaha.

I actually had to get his Spark Plug Delete tune. As Ford didnt tune my 5.0 to work without cylinders 7 and 8.
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No doubt the 99 Cobra back in the day was great and considered fast. Now in 2015 the 3.7's and 4 banger are equally as fast. You take a 99 Cobra factory against a 2011 3.7 factory with the same gearing , they will be darn near equal in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. The 3.7 may actually edge is out even though it has less torque, but with the new 6 speed and the powerband of the 3.7, the 3.7 may edge it out. The 2V's are cool but old technology.

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The 99 Cobra was never fast. The LT1 Fbodys from 93-97 were putting down very similar numbers stock and even the LT1 SLP (SS & WS6 Ram Air) cars were stomping on the Cobra's. Then in 98, the LS1 Fbodys raped all the NA 4.6 2/3/4v's.

The sad thing is (or a good thing)... a 3.7L V6 or EB4 is a drivers race against any of the NA 4.6's. Except they both get 30+ mpg on the highway.
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