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Old 11-13-2015, 12:01 AM   #1
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This accounts for 99% of you out there.

Just a good read I hope some will truly think about:

https://theapexhunter.wordpress.com/...e-doing-wrong/
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This accounts for 99% of you out there.

100% agree with this article.

Not sure that it's 99% of "us" but I think you are right in saying it's an epidemic.

What I can never understand is why people will skimp on crap parts and/or the "downgrades" as the article so gracefully put it.

Happy to say I do not find myself falling into any of these categories (except maybe spending a tad too much on visual mods, but I still feel like they are tasteful)
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Dang now I feel bad for just ordering a new set of wheels and tires from AM before lowering my car, lol. Oh well might as well slap an intake on, get some dice for the rear view mirror and call it a day. Just kidding, I really won't be doing those last two things. I guess it depends on what your intentions are with the car. I never plan to track or race my car so I'm ok with visual customization, otherwise I'd be throwing away money to get more hp just to race red light to red light. Like the article, I already feel like I never get to unleash my cars potential. If I ever did end up wanting to add more power I would definitely take care of suspension and brakes first though. I don't buy cheap stuff either, maybe on sale but definitely not junk.
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Number one always makes me laugh.

It is cheaper to find time in the corners by improving driver technique than it is to buy enough horsepower to hide the mistakes.
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I disagree with the statement of buying cheap parts on Ebay. I'll research a part I'm looking for by brand using the internet, reading reviews, etc. Once I've made a determination that the part is of good quality with a good track record, I head over to Ebay to see if its available there at a lower price. In some cases it is, and I buy it.
I also use EBay to buy used parts from a salvage yard. As we all know, OEM parts are good. If a used OEM part (body panel, certain suspension parts, etc.) are being sold off of EBay at a good price, it makes good sense to purchase it, provided shipping costs are reasonable. Most salvage yards offer free shipping.
So, while he makes some good points, he tarnished his reputation to me by making such a blanket statement. It showed me that he is offering an opinion. We all have one of those.
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Nice article but somewhat I disagree in my own perspective, I modified my car not to reach the high horsepower goal but I mod it to my liking from appearance to performance and wanted it to be my own vision written on it "UNIQUENESS". We have our own opinion on this, no matter what we do there is always faster than our own cars..

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This is the way I think about it, with my car I first wanted to make my car my own with appearance's and an exhaust (which I bought used and couldn't be happier), I wanted a car that people would see and be like "Oh hey that's Cam's car" then once that's done I will focus on performance such as tune and suspension. Although I would want to build a track ready monster like the Boss 227, it's just not reasonable for me at the moment. His statement "it's all about goals" is 100% true, people should make their cars their own.


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I disagree with the statement of buying cheap parts on Ebay. I'll research a part I'm looking for by brand using the internet, reading reviews, etc. Once I've made a determination that the part is of good quality with a good track record, I head over to Ebay to see if its available there at a lower price. In some cases it is, and I buy it.
I also use EBay to buy used parts from a salvage yard. As we all know, OEM parts are good. If a used OEM part (body panel, certain suspension parts, etc.) are being sold off of EBay at a good price, it makes good sense to purchase it, provided shipping costs are reasonable. Most salvage yards offer free shipping.
So, while he makes some good points, he tarnished his reputation to me by making such a blanket statement. It showed me that he is offering an opinion. We all have one of those.

I think he meant cheap Ebay parts as in parts that are off brand and pretty much exclusive to some Ebay store that sells replicas/cheap quality. That's what I took it as.


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I think he meant cheap Ebay parts as in parts that are off brand and pretty much exclusive to some Ebay store that sells replicas/cheap quality. That's what I took it as.


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Same here.

I have prob bought 75% of my stuff on eBay. But that's because I have expensive taste and I want the quality stuff for less.
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I disagree with the statement of buying cheap parts on Ebay. I'll research a part I'm looking for by brand using the internet, reading reviews, etc. Once I've made a determination that the part is of good quality with a good track record, I head over to Ebay to see if its available there at a lower price. In some cases it is, and I buy it.
I also use EBay to buy used parts from a salvage yard. As we all know, OEM parts are good. If a used OEM part (body panel, certain suspension parts, etc.) are being sold off of EBay at a good price, it makes good sense to purchase it, provided shipping costs are reasonable. Most salvage yards offer free shipping.
So, while he makes some good points, he tarnished his reputation to me by making such a blanket statement. It showed me that he is offering an opinion. We all have one of those.
There's a difference between "cheap parts" and buying parts cheap.
Granted, it's sometimes difficult to determine when the parts are cheaply made, etc.
Then some have the philosophy that the more it cost, the better it is.
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Good reading right there! I also agree with what the writer has stated but perhaps not 99% but I am sure its a large %.

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This article is coming from a strictly race perspective. IF that is your goal then it is true. But what if it is not? What if I love looking at my car, what if I love to get my exhaust to sound perfect to me and that costs a few HP. What if lowered is just... cool. The snobby part of the article is assuming you know why someone does what they do.

I want to look, perform and sound a certain way. Do all work together all the time... no. But it is a good mix. 20's do NOT help traction lol... but damn I love looking at them. So I will Waste money on a set of 15 or 17 drag radials for track down the road. Did I need to spend months and multiple attmepts getting the rear end looking the way I did. NO... but god it is cool, lol.

To each their own but I have it right where I want it... almost, lol.
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The thing is, its all a matter of perspective... Sure there's a right way to lower your car,and probably no one here, including myself, has done it.

When lowering you should obviously change your rear lower control arms, get lower control arm brackets, and a panhard bar. People forget about the front of the car though, you also "need" new lower ball joints for the front control arms, new bumpsteer kits to compliment the new lower ball joints, adjustable endlinks to set the proper pre-load on the sway bar, not to mention some proper caster / camber plates ... suddenly something as simple as lowering the car becomes a $1500 commitment.

Some of what the article says is right i guess, but for the most part its just not practical for most people's intended uses.
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"I don’t claim to be the all-knowing god of the automotive universe, but what I can promise you, is that*I’ve learned a good amount about cars in the last five years"

5 years? C'mon!

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He got some things right. You do learn a lot from the forums and going to events and taking to the experienced people.

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"I don’t claim to be the all-knowing god of the automotive universe, but what I can promise you, is that*I’ve learned a good amount about cars in the last five years"

5 years? C'mon!

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I believe he is saying he has LEARNED in the last 5 years. Not that he just started to do car things in the last 5 years. As in, "in the last 5 years I have learned what I feel is really learning"

That's how I read that statement.
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Lol, I got 99 problems but this article ain't one.
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Hey...This would be a boring world if everyone thought exactly the same.
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Hello all, I actually made a new account here just so I could thank you for sharing this. I've had nearly 3,000 views on this post in just over one day, which is awesome.

To clarify a bit, this post was written from a track-oriented perspective. I AutoX regularly and will be a regular at Sebring's big boy track as soon as I pick up a secondary vehicle that I won't have to worry about daily driving. Obviously, as a result, I stressed the importance of seat time, knowledge acquisition and quality parts that will improve lap times. I did plenty of aesthetic work on my STi, but I never let it take precedence over practicality.

As stated in the post, I never claimed to be the ultimate authority of automotive information. I just wanted to clarify that in the past few years, I've learned quite a bit from working on, driving and breaking cars. I try to soak up information from SCCA officials, Martin Sports Car Club members, etc. I figured that a lot of people would benefit from hearing what I had to say, since I know that plenty of people are incredibly misguided in my area (Tampa, FL).

In regards to eBay parts, I meant the Chinese knockoffs. I have no problem with saving money on quality parts, used or not, but I do find it ridiculous when someone slaps a POS eBay turbo or poorly-welded manifold onto a well-built motor.

To put myself on the chopping block- my STi had a full catless exhaust, DP, open source tune, sticky tires, carbon fiber trunk, heat shields galore, etc. I currently daily drive a '13 Si (RIP EJ257) and AutoX a friend's '13 BRZ with Fortune Auto 500 Coilovers, PBM control arms, RPF1s, full exhaust, headers and an open source tune. I'm looking to either build an SR powered 240sx for AutoX and track driving or a 5.3 swapped one to slide.

Thanks for reading, your input is truly appreciated.
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I think your post echoed many of our sentiments.

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...you also "need" new lower ball joints for the front control arms, new bumpsteer kits to compliment the new lower ball joints, adjustable endlinks to set the proper pre-load on the sway bar, not to mention some proper caster / camber plates ... suddenly something as simple as lowering the car becomes a $1500 commitment.
I think I saw a lot of this stuff on sale at ebay!
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Nice article but it leaves out one thing (at least around where I live). As I pose in superhero stance. I am the envy of every 15 year old within a 20 mile radius!
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I've always saved my money for new parts. I am installing Koni sports, J&M cc plates BMR lca's & panhard w/poly bushings adj. also Bassani axle backs & a 3.5" DDS driveshaft next week. No Ebay for my Cyclone. Still not "lowered".
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This article is coming from a strictly race perspective. IF that is your goal then it is true. But what if it is not? What if I love looking at my car, what if I love to get my exhaust to sound perfect to me and that costs a few HP. What if lowered is just... cool. The snobby part of the article is assuming you know why someone does what they do.

I want to look, perform and sound a certain way. Do all work together all the time... no. But it is a good mix. 20's do NOT help traction lol... but damn I love looking at them. So I will Waste money on a set of 15 or 17 drag radials for track down the road. Did I need to spend months and multiple attmepts getting the rear end looking the way I did. NO... but god it is cool, lol.

To each their own but I have it right where I want it... almost, lol.

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I used the 99% line to get the views
There is a good majority of you I know with out a doubt know what you're doing, but there is still a good portion who feel that everything is just slap n go with parys. TheApexHunt3r I actually saw this article posted on Facebook and gave it a read. It wasn't until my second read through that I caught the V6 Mustang recreate the light bulb went on. Lol
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Its still not going to keep others from bashing you should you do something off the wall, but we know this will happen the day we decide to do what we do to them. It just comes with the territorry, but if your going to do it, at least do it right. Looks are whatever you make of it, but performance and especially suspension shouldn't be done half assed. That's partly why I still havnt done anything to my suspension. There is so much involved I just know if I can afford the headache some of you have experienced with lowering your cars and such. That's just me.
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This is the way I think about it, with my car I first wanted to make my car my own with appearance's and an exhaust (which I bought used and couldn't be happier), I wanted a car that people would see and be like "Oh hey that's Cam's car" then once that's done I will focus on performance such as tune and suspension. Although I would want to build a track ready monster like the Boss 227, it's just not reasonable for me at the moment. His statement "it's all about goals" is 100% true, people should make their cars their own.


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