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Old 01-07-2016, 06:52 PM   #1
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Is there anything wrong with running just springs and a panhard bar? That's what I've been running for about 10 months and there's been some creaking in the back end lately and it's got me concerned


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Maybe it's time to upgrade those shocks?
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Old 01-08-2016, 07:52 AM   #3
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If your LCAs are still relatively parallel to the ground, then maybe not. If the body mounted side of the LCA is higher, even a little, than the axle mounted side of the LCA, then yes.

Also, what brand PHB, and did you grease the bushings when you installed it?
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I was pretty naive and got the cheapest one, which was the Sr phb. And my local ford dealership installed it so idk


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The problem that most people don't understand when changing one or two suspension components and not the rest of them that is that it puts a lot of strain on the OEM parts. You are changing the geometry of the car and putting in stronger parts leaving a lot to be desired from the OEM stuff. If you're going to lower a vehicle the correct way, at least get a set of cc plate (or camber bolts) panhard bar, shocks/struts, and LCA relocation brackets. Eventually changing out the sway bars, ball joints, LCA + UCA, and a bumpster kit is a good idea. Again, these OEM components will wear out a lot faster than aftermarket because they are not built the the standards and quality of an aftermarket part. This is just my opinion on the matter. Also, STAY AWAY FROM THE SR SUSPENSION CRAP! Thats exactly what it is is crap. Cheaply made and not made to last. Stick with name brands such as BMR, STEEDA, or WHITELINE who actually specialize in suspension components.
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Can you install cc bolts without plates? That may be a dumb question. Another dumb question, why do the lca's need relocating?


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Can you install cc bolts without plates? That may be a dumb question. Another dumb question, why do the lca's need relocating?


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Yes. You can install camber bolts without plates. Also, I forgot to mention, if you're upgrading struts, you will need to get a set of new strut mounts preferably to gt500s. Otherwise the stock mounts will eventually start to clunk.

The job of a lower control arm is to keep the axle planted during heavy acceleration. When you lower a vehicle, you actually throw the angle of the LCA off. So instead of the LCA being pitched the correct way to keep the axle planted under acceleration, it is pitched the other way resulting in the axle actually being lifted under acceleration resulting in poor traction and wheel hop. By getting a set of relocation brackets, you are able to relocate the pitch of the LCA in order to get the correct angle angle again to keep the axle planted. The correct pitch will be determined on what you use the vehicle for. If it is your dd I would recommend a parallel setting (or something close to it preferably with slight negative angle) if you are going for a drag setup I would recommend a decent negative pitch (the rear part of the LCA that connects to the axle should be lower then the front that connects to the body.)

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I understand now. So it's basically useless to get lca's without the relo. brackets on a lowered vehicle? Also, what is the job of the cc plates?


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These are all basic questions that can be found using google. Relocation brackets are a good idea if you are going to be beating on the car and expecting optimum performance from it. If it is your daily driver and you drive it like a grandma, then I wouldn't worry about it. But if you like to have fun, it is a good $100 investment. I would recommend BMR relocation brackets as they give you three options to choose the pitch you would like. Might as well get a good set of lower control arms while your at it because the OEM stamped metal pieces are trash and tend to flex leaving room for improvement.

As for the cc plates.. here is a link I found in 3 seconds using google...

What do caster camber plates do for my Mustang? | AmericanMuscle
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Here's a visual on the subject of LCA positioning.
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The LCA is what connects the body of the car to the axle and its main purpose is to push the body of the car forward.
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