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Old 01-13-2016, 02:36 PM   #1
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So it seems I was going about this process all wrong, I just want you guys to inform me on all and any parts that replace on my engine to provide maximum protection. I'm just gunna take a hefty loan out so I want to do it all once. I want to push the engine to high 800's or even low 900's for strictly racing. And please don't comment on the 5.0, I really want to make it a goal to build this engine.


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You are taking a loan out to build a 3.7 engine?

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You are taking a loan out to build a 3.7 engine?

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It just depends how much it is, and I know it sounds silly. But I really want to build on the 3.7, it seems like no one has pushed it to the limits with an actual built engine. But I'm prepared to drop at least 10k just into the engine. I just want to know everything I'll need to do to it.


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Your going to be spending ALOT ALOT more no get to 900


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Well i guess I'll just wait a couple more years until someone finds a reliable build.


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I've said it once, i've said it 100 times. Whatever you think its going to cost to boost your car properly, double it and you might be close. 900 whp brings you beyond being concerned with what just the motor can handle.

You will be putting at least 10k into a proper engine build, at least 7k into a proper turbo set up, at least 2k into a proper fueling system, at least 1k into a good clutch - and i'll even assume the MT-82 will hold up and you wont need a TR6060 magnum - at least 1500 in suspension since i dont see any listed (and thats just bare bones).

I think quick math has that right around $20k as is, and im just giving really rough numbers, and i know thats not everything, and thats also assuming everything works exactly right the first time. Props for wanting to push that platform and be an innovator, but just realize you're probably getting into something that is going to cost more than what you paid for the car.
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I've said it once, i've said it 100 times. Whatever you think its going to cost to boost your car properly, double it and you might be close. 900 whp brings you beyond being concerned with what just the motor can handle.

You will be putting at least 10k into a proper engine build, at least 7k into a proper turbo set up, at least 2k into a proper fueling system, at least 1k into a good clutch - and i'll even assume the MT-82 will hold up and you wont need a TR6060 magnum - at least 1500 in suspension since i dont see any listed (and thats just bare bones).

I think quick math has that right around $20k as is, and im just giving really rough numbers, and i know thats not everything, and thats also assuming everything works exactly right the first time. Props for wanting to push that platform and be an innovator, but just realize you're probably getting into something that is going to cost more than what you paid for the car.
Pretty much that. Since it's never been done before on this engine, you're sailing into uncharted waters. $20k sounds like a best case scenario, but there's no telling what other issues you might run into along the way that have been unaccounted for. If Voltwings says it'll take $20k, then plan on spending $40k as a worst case scenario. It'll be cool to do if you can do it, but it's going to be expensive.
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Just look at Alrefire's build thread and you will see what all your build will entail. You could sell your car and buy a GT500 and blower swap that and probably cost around the same.
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Just look at Alrefire's build thread and you will see what all your build will entail. You could sell your car and buy a GT500 and blower swap that and probably cost around the same.
This haha. 2012 GT500 with a '13 2.3L TVS + e85 and make 850 all day. The guy who installed our gears had one and was tearing **** up during TX2k lol, thing was nasty.
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There is like 2 fast gt500's I know of. A lot of ones who make big #'s. some peoples "idea" of fast makes me lol


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Well if the engine only cost me 10k then that's great news to me, I was expecting it to be much more. I have a good bit of money saved up. I understand I can get a gt500, but I'm trying to build on this platform and am determined to do so.


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There is like 2 fast gt500's I know of. A lot of ones who make big #'s. some peoples "idea" of fast makes me lol


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It was Manuels. If you know justin, you know Manuel haha.

Manuels car is one of the 2 I was referring to. And Manuel was also spraying he is a shady individual about his cars lol.

And I give Manuel props for everything he has done. Justin................
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Lol I remember way back in the day when he had that old M3 he was spraying, we used to call that group the Gypsys because they were shady haha.
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wish you a lot of luck with the build. a good starting point is sit down and talk with super six about their 4.0 stroker kit, head work, ported intake, cams, http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/_...ne-tech-v2.pdf, add a procharger and a lot of spray ,
the 3.7 has more capability then the old 4.0 but going by the 07 4.0 they built for me back in 08 with a x changer and a 100 hit my rwhp was only 500
your weak link will be the cam timing pin on the crank for the chain on the engine and the mt82 trans for which modern driveline has the forever fix in the way of a TREMEC T-56 Magnum XL Six-Speed Transmission kit, 2011-14_V-6_Mustang_Six_Speed_Swap - Modern Driveline
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Realistically, you're looking at 12k for the motor and another 7k for a properly setup turbo kit.

That's not including the fuel system, trans upgrades, suspension overhall.

You're easily looking into sinking 25-30k into a 20k car. It's not cheap, it's not pretty, and it's not for the feint of heart (or wallet). These things take time and planning (I wish I planned more/better).

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I've said it once, i've said it 100 times. Whatever you think its going to cost to boost your car properly, double it and you might be close. 900 whp brings you beyond being concerned with what just the motor can handle.

You will be putting at least 10k into a proper engine build, at least 7k into a proper turbo set up, at least 2k into a proper fueling system, at least 1k into a good clutch - and i'll even assume the MT-82 will hold up and you wont need a TR6060 magnum - at least 1500 in suspension since i dont see any listed (and thats just bare bones).

I think quick math has that right around $20k as is, and im just giving really rough numbers, and i know thats not everything, and thats also assuming everything works exactly right the first time. Props for wanting to push that platform and be an innovator, but just realize you're probably getting into something that is going to cost more than what you paid for the car.
Beautifully put. However, the mt82 will not hold in stock form. Idk what upgrades are available for it, as my goal is to swap to a t56 at some point (or steal the coyote internals.... and see if it'd work....)

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Realistically, you're looking at 12k for the motor and another 7k for a properly setup turbo kit.

That's not including the fuel system, trans upgrades, suspension overhall.

You're easily looking into sinking 25-30k into a 20k car. It's not cheap, it's not pretty, and it's not for the feint of heart (or wallet). These things take time and planning (I wish I planned more/better).

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I plan on putting about 30k into, I have the resources I would just love to have a list of internals that I could just drop into it and call it a day. But I'm just going to do the twin turbos first and that by itself is going to run me about 10k with everything, fuel pump, boost controller, etc. I'll just go from there and slowly build it. I know it's a lot of money but in about 2-3 years I want to basically make it a road racer/drag strip monster.


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I might just contact lpf and see what they have done with their new engine and how much hp they're running reliably. Just to get an idea if I'm in over my head.


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Do not go with LPF. No, no no.

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If you go with lpf and you planed on spending 30total. Plan on 36total because I've seen numerous cases where the customer paid over 5000 and received nothing. No calls back. Just lost out on there hard earned money.
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Beautifully put. However, the mt82 will not hold in stock form. Idk what upgrades are available for it, as my goal is to swap to a t56 at some point (or steal the coyote internals.... and see if it'd work....)

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the 5.0 internals for a mt82 are just different gear ratio's the Shelby's us a 6 speed tremec for which the modern drive line kit is a close match in strength with 2 over drive ratio's for 5 and 6th.
be care full with how much boost as the stock cast piston's can only handle so much for so long before they either burn or break
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I plan on putting about 30k into, I have the resources I would just love to have a list of internals that I could just drop into it and call it a day. But I'm just going to do the twin turbos first and that by itself is going to run me about 10k with everything, fuel pump, boost controller, etc. I'll just go from there and slowly build it. I know it's a lot of money but in about 2-3 years I want to basically make it a road racer/drag strip monster.


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Wait you said you were taking a hefty loan out... then you don't have the resources the bank does. If that is the case, sell your V6 and take out a used car loan at a WAY lower interest rate than a personal loan and pick up a Coyote.


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This statement alone means you have done zero due diligence. Like at all. Stop, and re-evaluate. To be blunt, if you are having to take out a "hefty" personal loan to build your car... don't. You'll run out of money, you'll have no more to properly finish it, you'll wind up with it sitting for some time while you try to come up with the capital to finish it and then in the end you'll put it back to stock (if you can) cut your losses and be making payments on a loan you got nothing out of.
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that is just what happened to me, i built my 07 v6 out. was almost done and ran out of cash .wound up removing everything i could,swapped in a junk yard motor selling off what i could.
the buyer of the car got a v6 that looked like and handled like a gt
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the 5.0 internals for a mt82 are just different gear ratio's the Shelby's us a 6 speed tremec for which the modern drive line kit is a close match in strength with 2 over drive ratio's for 5 and 6th.
be care full with how much boost as the stock cast piston's can only handle so much for so long before they either burn or break
I've already destroyed a few pistons, I'm head deep into the build. I talked to Voltwings about this earlier, but the 5.0 mt82's gearing is much better than the 3.7's

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That's probably the one thing I've said not to do....
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man, sure, building a 3.7 is cool and all.. but damn. for that kind of money, and just sound alone, I don't understand why anyone would put almost 20k into a 3.7 instead of buying a 5.0 and building on that, or even saving and getting an actual gt500...man..sound alone!! haha

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Built 5.0's are a dime a dozen. 800 rwhp 5.0's and Gt500's are plenty out there. 800 rwhp 3.7's , not too many. With that said, take out a loan to make the build, heck no. That's just stupid crazy.

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man, sure, building a 3.7 is cool and all.. but damn. for that kind of money, and just sound alone, I don't understand why anyone would put almost 20k into a 3.7 instead of buying a 5.0 and building on that, or even saving and getting an actual gt500...man..sound alone!! haha

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That will cost you a lot, apply for a loan and build it
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With the used 11-14 V6 market nowadays... you can get a low mileage 11 or 12 V6 for stupid STUPID cheap. This is not like prior years when the GT also got the better chassis/brakes/drivetrain etc... I mean yeah you can get some better stuff with the GT but all the same stuff for the GT usually applies to the V6 besides the motor.

And now once you start getting past what you can do with a bolt on Coyote (which is fast as hell for most ppl) the cost starts to level out. Still need to build the motor going much past 550-600whp, still need a power adder, the 3.7L with the right exhaust actually sounds really good and there are other reasons.

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Pretty much. You go to the AM show, for example, with your car. How many others like it are you going to see? My guess is a handful at most. Whereas a Vortech Coyote or blower swapped GT500s are going to be all over the place.
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Also my aunt is going to be coming off lease for a Sterling Grey 2014 Auto V6 Pony Package here in a year or two. I've already let them know to let ME know when so I can see about potentially buying it as a daily at the reduced coming off lease price.


Regardless of what happens with the car in my signature, its comforting to know that these cars are SO much like the GT and how modifiable the 3.7L really is.
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