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Old 01-17-2016, 06:31 PM   #1
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Add a supercharger to V6 or buy new 5.0

I have a 2012 3.7 with a 6 speed manual. I'm unhappy with the torque and am thinking of adding a roots type supercharger, from what I read it will increase low end torque and give me more hp and torque than a stock 5.0. I'm happy with the car and would like to keep it rather than buy a new one, I would wait for the 2017 5.0 if I buy new. I don't car how it sounds, what people say when they see the 5.0 badge and I do not race it; all I want is more power at a reasonable cost. I figure $6K should get me one installed. I had a 2011 5.0 so I'm familiar with the power in the 5.0. Will a supercharged 3.7 have that kind of power and be reliable? Should I dump 6K into the V6 or buy a new 5.0?
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I have a 2012 3.7 with a 6 speed manual. I'm unhappy with the torque and am thinking of adding a roots type supercharger, from what I read it will increase low end torque and give me more hp and torque than a stock 5.0. I'm happy with the car and would like to keep it rather than buy a new one, I would wait for the 2017 5.0 if I buy new. I don't car how it sounds, what people say when they see the 5.0 badge and I do not race it; all I want is more power at a reasonable cost. I figure $6K should get me one installed. I had a 2011 5.0 so I'm familiar with the power in the 5.0. Will a supercharged 3.7 have that kind of power and be reliable? Should I dump 6K into the V6 or buy a new 5.0?
If you want low end torque ... buy a V8 Camaro or Scat Pack Challenger.

The LT1 in the new Camaro makes more torque to the wheels at just 1800 RPM than the 2016 Mustang puts down at the tires .. at any RPM. It also makes more torque to the wheels than the Mustang is rated at the crank.


Also ... nobody makes a roots type blower for the 3.7.
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SC 3.7 all the way bro. 5.0's are dime a dozen.

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SC 3.7 all the way bro. 5.0's are dime a dozen.

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Kona, you know I have love for you dude...but 3.7's are the dime a dozen. Everytime I see a set of mustang tails on the horizon I get excited to see a fellow mustang enthusiast and 9/10 are 3.7. I have respect for these but at the end of the day I think if powa is what you crave 5.0 or bust.


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Kona, you know I have love for you dude...but 3.7's are the dime a dozen. Everytime I see a set of mustang tails on the horizon I get excited to see a fellow mustang enthusiast and 9/10 are 3.7. I have respect for these but at the end of the day I think if powa is what you crave 5.0 or bust.


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Ha ha ha. I love you man. 3.7's are dime a dozen but a supercharged 3.7 is rare. Not very common. 5.0 and supercharged 5.0's are the dime a dozen. Lol. You go to the AM show and how many supercharged 3.7's do you see. Maybe 3, 4 max and that's max. Lol.

If the OP is only looking for a 500 rwhp and under reliable car and doesn't care about the sound, a supercharged 3.7 gets you there. Add 9 pounds boost some bolt on mods and call it a day.


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N/A 3.7's are all over the place. Boosted 3.7's are rare. I like the rare! A 450 rwhp 3.7 is not common.

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Go 3.7 supercharged. I'm making 410 rwhp and 330 torque.


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A 450 whp 3.7 is also not enough to beat a bolt on coyote. When you add boost you add complications and headaches and lots of money. The easiest choice is always the one that makes power easier. This coming from someone who spent many years doing the boosted 4 cylinder game. Its cool being the underdog, its cool taking people by surprise, its cool not having something everyone has, but there eventually comes a point where there is a reason why. Just get the 5.0 and make that power NA on pump gas, where the 3.7 will need boost and either E85 or meth ... No hate for the 3.7, i love ours, but i like it for what it is, not for being a "feelings hurter."
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I've put 15000 miles or so on Fi and have not had any issues. Keep changing oil, give her a check up, tighten things, etc etc. coming close to 45k miles and knock on wood I have not had any issues. Mind you, I'm done w mods for a while and my next vehicle will be a gt, but not if they keep making new mustangs like the current 15-16 (in my opinion). If that's the case, ima keep my 14 for a while.


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A 450 whp 3.7 is also not enough to beat a bolt on coyote. When you add boost you add complications and headaches and lots of money. The easiest choice is always the one that makes power easier. This coming from someone who spent many years doing the boosted 4 cylinder game. Its cool being the underdog, its cool taking people by surprise, its cool not having something everyone has, but there eventually comes a point where there is a reason why. Just get the 5.0 and make that power NA on pump gas, where the 3.7 will need boost and either E85 or meth ... No hate for the 3.7, i love ours, but i like it for what it is, not for being a "feelings hurter."
Boosting a 3.7 is really no different than people boosting the 4.6 and there are plenty of boosted 4.6's. If the install is done correctly and the tune is done correctly, what issues should there really be?

Granted a 450 rwhp 3.7 will not beat a fully bolt on 5.0 but there is always someone faster. Someone will be faster than a full bolt on 5.0. That's the nature of it. Someone always has more and faster.

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Boosting a 3.7 is really no different than people boosting the 4.6 and there are plenty of boosted 4.6's. If the install is done correctly and the tune is done correctly, what issues should there really be?

Granted a 450 rwhp 3.7 will not beat a fully bolt on 5.0 but there is always someone faster. Someone will be faster than a full bolt on 5.0. That's the nature of it. Someone always has more and faster.

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Sure, you can have a reliable boost set up, but its still more involving and "maintenance" and upkeep than just an NA car. Yes, there is always someone faster, but if you're trying to make the same power (lets call it 450 whp) then i would take the car that gets there the easiest.
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less $ to get the 5.0 (esp if you factor in resale)
power will be similar to unmodded 5.0
less reliability with a stressed V6

you'll still have a V6 but you'll have tons of satisfaction if you go that route

how much do you like modding....unless the answer is a lot get the V8

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I have a 2012 3.7 with a 6 speed manual. I'm unhappy with the torque and am thinking of adding a roots type supercharger, from what I read it will increase low end torque and give me more hp and torque than a stock 5.0. I'm happy with the car and would like to keep it rather than buy a new one, I would wait for the 2017 5.0 if I buy new. I don't car how it sounds, what people say when they see the 5.0 badge and I do not race it; all I want is more power at a reasonable cost. I figure $6K should get me one installed. I had a 2011 5.0 so I'm familiar with the power in the 5.0. Will a supercharged 3.7 have that kind of power and be reliable? Should I dump 6K into the V6 or buy a new 5.0?
I'll go ahead an address what no one else has mentioned. You said you want a roots style supercharger for the low end torque. Currently, and possibly for the foreseeable future, there is no roots style supercharger for the 3.7. Your only options are turbo, spray, or centrifugal supercharger. I personally am going to switch from 3.7 to 5.0 once I get stationed somewhere other that Alaska. I think it has to do with the exhaust note more than anything. I previously had a 4.6 and just can't get over how much I miss that V8 sound.
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Sure, you can have a reliable boost set up, but its still more involving and "maintenance" and upkeep than just an NA car. Yes, there is always someone faster, but if you're trying to make the same power (lets call it 450 whp) then i would take the car that gets there the easiest.
Certainly a valid point sir. Something to keep in mind!

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less $ to get the 5.0 (esp if you factor in resale)
power will be similar to unmodded 5.0
less reliability with a stressed V6

you'll still have a V6 but you'll have tons of satisfaction if you go that route

how much do you like modding....unless the answer is a lot get the V8

I'd get the V8
It may not be less to upgrade to a V8 depending on how much money a V6 owner dumped into their build. If someone has dumped 6k into modding their 3.7 and paid 25k for the car, they now are into it for 31k.

They sell it, they will never get back or even close to the 6k for the mods. That doesn't even include the depreciation of it. The difference between upgrading to a 5.0 may cost way more than the 6k to just SC ones current 3.7 and on top you very well may be starting from scratch.

If a V6 owner wants to upgrade to a 5.0 keep the car stock. Don't throw thousands into modding it because you will loose all that money and never get it or half back. Save the mod money to thrown into the upgrade on the 5.0.

A stock 5.0 needs some upgraded goodies to be where I personally would be happy with its sound and performance.

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Full exhaust and suspension Coyote with a tune will just absolutely wtfpwn a supercharged V6. It will be bus lengths at the 1/4. Less money, more reliable, turnkey= low mileage 11/12 5.0 base model. Don't spend more than $20k before TTT.

If you are buying new... I hate this... LT1 Camaro. Ford had a legit argument for performance from 11-14. Its now firmly back in the GM camp in all aspects and it isn't even close.

And if I was going purely on looks... Challenger. Get the auto, get a good converter and get that 4400lb brick of a car moving.
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Full exhaust and suspension Coyote with a tune will just absolutely wtfpwn a supercharged V6. It will be bus lengths at the 1/4. Less money, more reliable, turnkey= low mileage 11/12 5.0 base model. Don't spend more than $20k before TTT.

If you are buying new... I hate this... LT1 Camaro. Ford had a legit argument for performance from 11-14. Its now firmly back in the GM camp in all aspects and it isn't even close.

And if I was going purely on looks... Challenger. Get the auto, get a good converter and get that 4400lb brick of a car moving.
Wouldn't someone want to install a full suspension system on a 460 rwhp supercharged 3.7? The same full suspension system on the 5.0 could be put on the 3.7. What does a tuned and full exhaust system Coyote run in the 1/4 mile? I have no idea. What are SC 3.7's with a full exhaust system and suspension system running in the 1/4?

I know of a SC 3.7 on Cyclone Facebook page running 11.1 in the 1/4 mile.

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Procharger...475 horsepower with just 8lbs boost,
the more you increase boost the more power you add. 600 hp without cooling system or internal engine mods, 1200 hp is the limit on the procharger system on the 3.7, but that would also require fairly signifcant upgrades to the motor and cooling system.
It doesn't matter which motor you choose, power is power and it all costs money. The 5.0 is not any better and not much different than the 3.7...it's just bigger. Bigger is harder to cool and weighs more, especially with power adders, but if you have the money, it can make more power.
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Procharger...475 horsepower with just 8lbs boost,
the more you increase boost the more power you add. 600 hp without cooling system or internal engine mods, 1200 hp is the limit on the procharger system on the 3.7, but that would also require fairly signifcant upgrades to the motor and cooling system.
It doesn't matter which motor you choose, power is power and it all costs money. The 5.0 is not any better and not much different than the 3.7...it's just bigger. Bigger is harder to cool and weighs more, especially with power adders, but if you have the money, it can make more power.

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He's not the only one, most of us didn't bother because the question is asked so often and the answer is so obvious.
Can you make a bunch of power with a v6? Its possible. 600 reliable? Doubt that. Also other parts of the car would need up grading to handle it. Its a can of worms and unless you are already an expert in such things it makes way more sense to get a 5.0 and have something reliable that you can drop a blower on later and make an easy 600 rwhp and drive it every day.
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Wouldn't someone want to install a full suspension system on a 460 rwhp supercharged 3.7? The same full suspension system on the 5.0 could be put on the 3.7. What does a tuned and full exhaust system Coyote run in the 1/4 mile? I have no idea. What are SC 3.7's with a full exhaust system and suspension system running in the 1/4?

I know of a SC 3.7 on Cyclone Facebook page running 11.1 in the 1/4 mile.

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Procharger...475 horsepower with just 8lbs boost,
the more you increase boost the more power you add. 600 hp without cooling system or internal engine mods, 1200 hp is the limit on the procharger system on the 3.7, but that would also require fairly signifcant upgrades to the motor and cooling system.
It doesn't matter which motor you choose, power is power and it all costs money. The 5.0 is not any better and not much different than the 3.7...it's just bigger. Bigger is harder to cool and weighs more, especially with power adders, but if you have the money, it can make more power.



And what torque? Not 475 or even 450. Likely not even 400. Sorry the Coyote is light years better and I'm not someone who thinks the Cyclone is a bad motor.


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No, someone who said something you want to hear commented. It will take a LOT more money and time to get a V6 to the same level as the Coyote and it won't be as reliable. Although it can be done for sure.

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Grabber was doing low 11s in a bolt on suspension Coyote with a good converter all motor.









And what torque? Not 475 or even 450. Likely not even 400. Sorry the Coyote is light years better and I'm not someone who thinks the Cyclone is a bad motor.




No, someone who said something you want to hear commented. It will take a LOT more money and time to get a V6 to the same level as the Coyote and it won't be as reliable. Although it can be done for sure.

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A guy here is running high 9's with a stock coyote with a whipple and a converter.
Drives like stock and passes smog.
Can't beat that with a wooden stick.
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My counsin has a fox body that has about 700hp. So it can be done. The problem is that he spent over $20K making it work due to needing almost every component in the car upgraded to handle the power. And he still occasionally blows transmissions at full throttle if he isn't careful.

The cheapskate way to fix the 3.7 power problem is to get shorter gears. The next option is to just swap to a V8 of the same year. Then it starts to get expensive.
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If you can easily afford either or go 5.0
If you want to run a sleeper and beat up on some stock v8s go for it. Its all in what YOU want.

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I personally would get the 5.0, but hey, it's your money, do what makes you happy.
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