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Old 03-27-2016, 08:35 PM   #106
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Just turbo it.
I'm going to show my ignorance here, but aren't they kinda the same? What's the major differences, out of curiosity?
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I'm up for my third oil change so more than 15k miles and no problems as of yet. Car is prochargerless under 3500 lol. So it's basically stock. Mpg affected by 1 or so.


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I'm up for my third oil change so more than 15k miles and no problems as of yet. Car is prochargerless under 3500 lol. So it's basically stock. Mpg affected by 1 or so.


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That's kinda what I figured. My problem is I tend to be over 3500 rpms 20x on a quick trip to Menards alone. lol
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I'm going to show my ignorance here, but aren't they kinda the same? What's the major differences, out of curiosity?
Very basic and simple explanation:

A centrifugal supercharger like a Procharger is a turbine enclosed in a housing that is belt driven
Turbo is also a turbine in an enclosed housing but powered by exhaust gases.
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Very basic and simple explanation:

A centrifugal supercharger like a Procharger is a turbine enclosed in a housing that is belt driven
Turbo is also a turbine in an enclosed housing but powered by exhaust gases.
K thanks. What's the differences as far as performance and cost? Any advantages to either?
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A Turbo is usually hooked up to a custom header, and the fumes of the exhaust that is exiting the heads will drive the turbo’s impeller. A supercharger is driven from the vehicles belt system, which is driven by the crank pulley. The turbo takes zero HP to turn the impeller as it uses exhaust gases. A supercharger uses a belt which is an accessory so it is using HP from your engine to spin it.

There are 3 popular types of superchargers which all have different characteristics. 1. A centrifugal type supercharger. These compressors look like a turbo and have similar qualities. Since the belts drive the supercharger they are using hp from your engine all the time. A centrifugal supercharger will usually start building up boost in the lower RPM range and then you will see full boost at redline. A centrifugal supercharger builds boost per RPM speed. So lets say you have a 6psi system. You will start seeing 1psi around 2500 RPM and then 6psi at your redline.

The 2 other common types will be a Roots and a twin-screw type supercharger. These types offer great low end HP and torque since the boost curve comes on instantly. Unlike centrifugal type superchargers usually you see full boost in the lower RPM range and it stays linear throughout the whole RPM band. These are usually great for towing, road course racing, and even drag racing.

Now turbo systems use the exhaust fumes to drive the turbo, and usually you will have a slight turbo lag. Turbo lag is the time it takes the exhaust fumes to turn the turbo impeller. Once the impeller is spooled up usually you will reach full boost pretty quickly. Since the turbo is run off the exhaust the temperatures are normally very high and that’s why there will be a strong need for an intercooler and even a turbo timer. These items help control the heat so you do not ruin your turbo and engine.

Also another major difference is the way the boost is controlled. Since a supercharger is run off of the belt system, you have to change the pulley to get more boost out of it. One of the benefits of this setup is that you do not have to worry about over boosting your engine, where if you do go to high in boost it will blow your engine. So usually the supercharger setup will be set at a conservative boost level, which is safe for your car. If you did want more boost all you have to do is get a smaller supercharger pulley or a larger crank pulley. This will spin the supercharger quicker giving you more boost.

Now with a turbo they have a wastegate and a boost controller that helps control the amount of boost you will get. All you have to do is turn the setting higher on the boost controller and you can change the boost pressure instantly. The convenience factor is there however the draw back is over boosting the engine and blowing it. On top of that there will be a potential risk of boost spike. Boost spike is where all of a sudden the boost pressure will go far beyond your normal setting and this can destroy your engine.

Now most supercharger systems are sold as complete kits so nothing is usually needed for it to work on your application. A lot of these kits are C.A.R.B. approved so you do not have to worry about being able to smog your car…this also means that it is legal for street use, so the cops cannot ticket you for it. Most kits will come with all the programming, fuel components, and all the belts brackets and hardware so you can bolt it on and go. Supercharger kits also come with a warranty of 1-3 years depending on the manufacture.

Turbo systems usually are very basic and you usually will have to add several upgrades in order for it to be safe and complete. Usually an intercooler, boost controller, turbo timer, and sometimes a wastegate is needed. On top of that you usually have to worry about the fuel components and tuning. These kits usually are not C.A.R.B. approved. A lot of streetcars will see more HP gains with a turbo system, however these systems usually have a lot of time building and tuning in them. Dyno time costs money and the more you need to tune the more $$$ you have into the system. Custom tuning is necessary for your supercharger system but imo usually less than a turbo and you will see equal amount of HP…or at least you will give them a run for your money.
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A Turbo is usually hooked up to a custom header, and the fumes of the exhaust that is exiting the heads will drive the turbo’s impeller. A supercharger is driven from the vehicles belt system, which is usually driven by the crank pulley.

There are 3 popular types of superchargers which all have different characteristics. 1. A centrifugal type supercharger. These compressors look like a turbo and have similar qualities. Since the belts drive the supercharger they usually are on all the time. A centrifugal supercharger will usually start building up boost in the lower RPM range and then you will see full boost at redline. A centrifugal supercharger builds boost per RPM speed. So lets say you have a 6psi system. You will start seeing 1psi around 2500 RPM and then 6psi at your redline.

The 2 other common types will be a Roots and a twin-screw type supercharger. These types offer great low end HP and torque since the boost curve comes on instantly. Unlike centrifugal type superchargers usually you see full boost in the lower RPM range and it stays linear throughout the whole RPM band. These are usually great for towing, road course racing, and even drag racing.

Now turbo systems use the exhaust fumes to drive the turbo, and usually you will have a slight turbo lag. Turbo lag is the time it takes the exhaust fumes to turn the turbo impeller. Once the impeller is spooled up usually you will reach full boost pretty quickly. Since the turbo is run off the exhaust the temperatures are normally very high and that’s why there will be a strong need for an intercooler and even a turbo timer. These items help control the heat so you do not ruin your turbo and engine.

Also another major difference is the way the boost is controlled. Since a supercharger is run off of the belt system, usually you have to change the pulley to get more boost out of it. One of the befits of this setup is that you do not have to worry about over boosting your engine, where if you do go to high in boost it will blow your engine. So usually the supercharger setup will be set at a conservative boost level, which is safe for your car. If you did want more boost all you have to do is get a smaller supercharger pulley or a larger crank pulley. This will spin the supercharger quicker giving you more boost.

Now with a turbo they have a wastegate and a boost controller that helps control the amount of boost you will get. All you have to do is turn the setting higher on the boost controller and you can change the boost pressure instantly. The convenience factor is there however the draw back is over boosting the engine and blowing it. On top of that there will be a potential risk of boost spike. Boost spike is where all of a sudden the boost pressure will go far beyond your normal setting and this can destroy your engine.

Now most supercharger systems are sold as complete kits so nothing is usually needed for it to work on your application. A lot of these kits are C.A.R.B. approved so you do not have to worry about being able to smog your car…this also means that it is legal for street use, so the cops cannot ticket you for it. Most kits will come with all the programming, fuel components, and all the belts brackets and hardware so you can bolt it on and go. Supercharger kits also come with a warranty of 1-3 years depending on the manufacture.

Turbo systems usually are very basic and you usually will have to add several upgrades in order for it to be safe and complete. Usually an intercooler, boost controller, turbo timer, and sometimes a wastegate is needed. On top of that you usually have to worry about the fuel components and tuning. These kits usually are not C.A.R.B. approved. A lot of streetcars will gain a slightly more HP gains with a turbo system, however these systems usually have a custom tune in them. If you custom tune your supercharger system usually you will see equal amount of HP…or at least you will give them a run for your money.

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A Turbo is usually hooked up to a custom header, and the fumes of the exhaust that is exiting the heads will drive the turbo’s impeller. A supercharger is driven from the vehicles belt system, which is driven by the crank pulley. The turbo takes zero HP to turn the impeller as it uses exhaust gases. A supercharger uses a belt which is an accessory so it is using HP from your engine to spin it.

There are 3 popular types of superchargers which all have different characteristics. 1. A centrifugal type supercharger. These compressors look like a turbo and have similar qualities. Since the belts drive the supercharger they are using hp from your engine all the time. A centrifugal supercharger will usually start building up boost in the lower RPM range and then you will see full boost at redline. A centrifugal supercharger builds boost per RPM speed. So lets say you have a 6psi system. You will start seeing 1psi around 2500 RPM and then 6psi at your redline.

The 2 other common types will be a Roots and a twin-screw type supercharger. These types offer great low end HP and torque since the boost curve comes on instantly. Unlike centrifugal type superchargers usually you see full boost in the lower RPM range and it stays linear throughout the whole RPM band. These are usually great for towing, road course racing, and even drag racing.

Now turbo systems use the exhaust fumes to drive the turbo, and usually you will have a slight turbo lag. Turbo lag is the time it takes the exhaust fumes to turn the turbo impeller. Once the impeller is spooled up usually you will reach full boost pretty quickly. Since the turbo is run off the exhaust the temperatures are normally very high and that’s why there will be a strong need for an intercooler and even a turbo timer. These items help control the heat so you do not ruin your turbo and engine.

Also another major difference is the way the boost is controlled. Since a supercharger is run off of the belt system, you have to change the pulley to get more boost out of it. One of the benefits of this setup is that you do not have to worry about over boosting your engine, where if you do go to high in boost it will blow your engine. So usually the supercharger setup will be set at a conservative boost level, which is safe for your car. If you did want more boost all you have to do is get a smaller supercharger pulley or a larger crank pulley. This will spin the supercharger quicker giving you more boost.

Now with a turbo they have a wastegate and a boost controller that helps control the amount of boost you will get. All you have to do is turn the setting higher on the boost controller and you can change the boost pressure instantly. The convenience factor is there however the draw back is over boosting the engine and blowing it. On top of that there will be a potential risk of boost spike. Boost spike is where all of a sudden the boost pressure will go far beyond your normal setting and this can destroy your engine.

Now most supercharger systems are sold as complete kits so nothing is usually needed for it to work on your application. A lot of these kits are C.A.R.B. approved so you do not have to worry about being able to smog your car…this also means that it is legal for street use, so the cops cannot ticket you for it. Most kits will come with all the programming, fuel components, and all the belts brackets and hardware so you can bolt it on and go. Supercharger kits also come with a warranty of 1-3 years depending on the manufacture.

Turbo systems usually are very basic and you usually will have to add several upgrades in order for it to be safe and complete. Usually an intercooler, boost controller, turbo timer, and sometimes a wastegate is needed. On top of that you usually have to worry about the fuel components and tuning. These kits usually are not C.A.R.B. approved. A lot of streetcars will see more HP gains with a turbo system, however these systems usually have a lot of time building and tuning in them. Dyno time costs money and the more you need to tune the more $$$ you have into the system. Custom tuning is necessary for your supercharger system but imo usually less than a turbo and you will see equal amount of HP…or at least you will give them a run for your money.
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To be blunt, if you are asking this question, just get the procharger.
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Your post is excellent information and needs to be a permanent post on this forum.
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To be blunt, if you are asking this question, just get the procharger.

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It's good info for every car enthusiast not just 3.7 owners. I'm old school and always a v8 guy. I still own a v8 but it's a big block in a 71 f100. In any case old school on the way hot ridding grew which was to keep it alive by sharing info and ideas and working together.
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Just get procharger. Proven system for 11-14 models. Have not heard of any issues. If there were flaws or issues involved, I wouldn't think it'd be doing so well. Easier install than turbo. Efficient system. Nice and quiet when you don't need extra power, but once you step on it, you'll definitely see a difference. Hopefully it'll get CARB approval soon or else I'm screwed. I researched turbo kits, but did not find any well-established ones. Unforeseeable problems in the future, harder install, tuning, etc. Didn't want to deal with the headaches.
Anybody wanting to procharge their V6, you will not regret it. 410rrwhp for a daily driver is plenty push.

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Just get procharger. Proven system for 11-14 models. Have not heard of any issues. If there were flaws or issues involved, I wouldn't think it'd be doing so well. Easier install than turbo. Efficient system. Nice and quiet when you don't need extra power, but once you step on it, you'll definitely see a difference. Hopefully it'll get CARB approval soon or else I'm screwed. I researched turbo kits, but did not find any well-established ones. Unforeseeable problems in the future, harder install, tuning, etc. Didn't want to deal with the headaches.
Anybody wanting to procharge their V6, you will not regret it. 410rrwhp for a daily driver is plenty push.
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It's good info for every car enthusiast not just 3.7 owners. I'm old school and always a v8 guy. I still own a v8 but it's a big block in a 71 f100. In any case old school on the way hot ridding grew which was to keep it alive by sharing info and ideas and working together. 😋
Nothing wrong with people being an old school, always and only V8 enthusist. This is an era where people are enthusiasts of options that are less than 8 cylinders. I personally love my 3.7 and don't care about the 2 more cylinders. That's just me.

I personally think a super or turbo charged 3.7 is really cool and has a more rare factor than a V8 mustang. There are far less 3.7 boosted cars which I understand why compared to buying a 5.0 but I like the rare factor of the boosted 3.7's.

If I wanted a 400 plus rwhp pony I would just F.I. my 3.7 and not buy a 5.0. After talking with Rap, I would just spray a 100 or 125 shot and call it a day. Set up a progressive shot install and done. Torque gains would be huge as well as rwhp

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TBTH if I wanted the best of all worlds (gas mileage, ease of power, price, comfort and modability) I would get an 05/06 GTO.
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TBTH if I wanted the best of all worlds (gas mileage, ease of power, price, comfort and modability) I would get an 05/06 GTO.
Only problem with those GTO's are that they are fugly looking and an insult to the GTO name plate

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Nothing wrong with people being an old school, always and only V8 enthusist. This is an era where people are enthusiasts of options that are less than 8 cylinders. I personally love my 3.7 and don't care about the 2 more cylinders. That's just me.

I personally think a super or turbo charged 3.7 is really cool and has a more rare factor than a V8 mustang. There are far less 3.7 boosted cars which I understand why compared to buying a 5.0 but I like the rare factor of the boosted 3.7's.

If I wanted a 400 plus rwhp pony I would just F.I. my 3.7 and not buy a 5.0. After talking with Rap, I would just spray a 100 or 125 shot and call it a day. Set up a progressive shot install and done. Torque gains would be huge as well as rwhp

Just a near stock 3.7

Unfortunately a lot of people cannot understand that some people just want the rare factor. A FI cyclone is very rare nowadays compared to a FI coyote.


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FI coyotes are a quarter a dozen. Go to any mustang show and one can find tons of them. Go to the AM show and how many FI 3.7's you think you will see. I can tell you after being at the last 3 AM shows, you will be lucky to have 3 FI 3.7's. This is out of 3000 mustangs to boot.

I love the unique and rare! The biggest issue I see with the procharger is it lacks the torque numbers. Not saying don't get it, just that a weak point to the 3.7 is the lack of torque one gets. That's where a turbo set up or a nitrous set up shines. Torque and HP monster increaser.

With that said, the procharger kit is awesome!

Just a near stock 3.7
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FI coyotes are a quarter a dozen. Go to any mustang show and one can find tons of them. Go to the AM show and how many FI 3.7's you think you will see. I can tell you after being at the last 3 AM shows, you will be lucky to have 3 FI 3.7's. This is out of 3000 mustangs to boot.

I love the unique and rare! The biggest issue I see with the procharger is it lacks the torque numbers. Not saying don't get it, just that a weak point to the 3.7 is the lack of torque one gets. That's where a turbo set up or a nitrous set up shines. Torque and HP monster increaser.

With that said, the procharger kit is awesome!

Just a near stock 3.7
TRUE.

I may be the first one out here with it. Everywhere I go I get pulled over at lights etc.

They see the intercooler ( I have a roush open lower and a cdc upper grille with a GT500 hood on mine) and ask, "Is that turbocharged?" They immediately want me to show them. It gets annoying when you are at a light and someone pulls up asking questions while your driving or they make a u turn and chase through traffic to catch up to you. lol. def more of an attention getter than when I had my 06 GT and that was really loud and outrageous looking with exterior mods.
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TBTH if I wanted the best of all worlds (gas mileage, ease of power, price, comfort and modability) I would get an 05/06 GTO.

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Nothing wrong with people being an old school, always and only V8 enthusist. This is an era where people are enthusiasts of options that are less than 8 cylinders. I personally love my 3.7 and don't care about the 2 more cylinders. That's just me.

I personally think a super or turbo charged 3.7 is really cool and has a more rare factor than a V8 mustang. There are far less 3.7 boosted cars which I understand why compared to buying a 5.0 but I like the rare factor of the boosted 3.7's.

If I wanted a 400 plus rwhp pony I would just F.I. my 3.7 and not buy a 5.0. After talking with Rap, I would just spray a 100 or 125 shot and call it a day. Set up a progressive shot install and done. Torque gains would be huge as well as rwhp

Just a near stock 3.7

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Im everything.. old school, mid school, new school, import, american whatever. I even like turbo 4 bangers. Tesla even... Im a fan of making things FASTER.
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FI coyotes are a quarter a dozen. Go to any mustang show and one can find tons of them. Go to the AM show and how many FI 3.7's you think you will see. I can tell you after being at the last 3 AM shows, you will be lucky to have 3 FI 3.7's. This is out of 3000 mustangs to boot.

I love the unique and rare! The biggest issue I see with the procharger is it lacks the torque numbers. Not saying don't get it, just that a weak point to the 3.7 is the lack of torque one gets. That's where a turbo set up or a nitrous set up shines. Torque and HP monster increaser.

With that said, the procharger kit is awesome!

Just a near stock 3.7

Yes exactly, I know I talked a big game in one of my threads earlier this year. But I'm considering just TT the thing and call it a day, building the engine would be nice and all but it seems like it wouldn't be worth the hassle. Maybe when I graduate college, MAYBE lol.


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Ignoring all other posts. The 5.0 is the better starting platform. It depends on your situation and what you want out of the car. I would personally never buy a v6 or I-4 mustang (there are better platforms out there for those setups, not to mention a mustang should be a v8)
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Ignoring all other posts. The 5.0 is the better starting platform. It depends on your situation and what you want out of the car. I would personally never buy a v6 or I-4 mustang (there are better platforms out there for those setups, not to mention a mustang should be a v8)
Even though my stock V6 has more hp than a 2010 Mustang V8?

I'd take a 11-14 V6 over a 2010 V8 any day.
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Ignoring all other posts. The 5.0 is the better starting platform. It depends on your situation and what you want out of the car. I would personally never buy a v6 or I-4 mustang (there are better platforms out there for those setups, not to mention a mustang should be a v8)
With that said. Just go buy a 13 or 14 Gt500. Its the better starting platform over the 5.0.

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400+ whp definitely worth it for the price. over take mustangs with bolt ons.
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Even though my stock V6 has more hp than a 2010 Mustang V8?

I'd take a 11-14 V6 over a 2010 V8 any day.
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not to mention a mustang should be a v8)
What a DUMB mentality........

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Even though my stock V6 has more hp than a 2010 Mustang V8?

I'd take a 11-14 V6 over a 2010 V8 any day.
If we are talking solely magazine or manufacturer crank output:
2010 3V - 315 hp / 325 tq
11-14 V6 - 305 hp / 280 tq

So...no your stock v6 does not have more hp than a 2010 3v. But even if it did there's a lot more to consider than just a peak hp number from Ford.

Most bone stock 3V's with 3.55's were making ~270-280 rwhp and 280-290 rwtq SAE. V6s with 3.31's are making similar hp numbers but fall behind on the torque curve. That is not something to dismiss.

Both cars have their pros and cons.
3V - pros: torque advantage to top of curve, lower compression, v8 duh
cons: 5spd, weak internals, not a 5.0 lol
3.7 - pros: 6spd, PP option, responds to mods fairly well for a 6
cons: torque disadvantage, higher compression, sounds like a pissed off zipper

If it were me I would choose the 2010 3V as a weekend car. I'd rather have the torque, lower compression for boost and the v8, that's just my opinion. Not saying the 3.7 is no good, it's a very impressive engine for a v6. If I wanted a daily driven car I could throw in the corners on occasion I'd consider a 3.7.
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My 3.7 has enough i4 n v6's out there to play with as is.
I give 5.0's their due respect and they give me mine...

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Is the procharger worth it?

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