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Old 03-28-2016, 09:33 PM   #141
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With that said. Just go buy a 13 or 14 Gt500. Its the better starting platform over the 5.0.

Just a near stock 3.7
I like the 3.7, but i have a problem with this statement. Yes, i understand money is different to everyone and we're talking on paper here and all that, but new to new there is about a ~$10k difference between base v6 and base GT and about a what, $20-$30k difference bettwen GT and GT500? Not really apples to apples.

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If we are talking solely magazine or manufacturer crank output:
2010 3V - 315 hp / 325 tq
11-14 V6 - 305 hp / 280 tq

So...no your stock v6 does not have more hp than a 2010 3v. But even if it did there's a lot more to consider than just a peak hp number from Ford.

Most bone stock 3V's with 3.55's were making ~270-280 rwhp and 280-290 rwtq SAE. V6s with 3.31's are making similar hp numbers but fall behind on the torque curve. That is not something to dismiss.

While i agree with this, the V6 will have an RPM and gear advantage to the 3v. The 3v has terrible ratios in the transmission, it really does need like a 3.73 or 4.10

Both cars have their pros and cons.
3V - pros: torque advantage to top of curve (not really just down low, but yes, still of note), lower compression, v8 duh
cons: 5spd, weak internals, not a 5.0 lol
3.7 - pros: 6spd, PP option, responds to mods fairly well for a 6
cons: torque disadvantage, higher compression, sounds like a pissed off zipper. The Ti-Vct actually allows this motor to bleed off compression if need be, its quite simple to tune in and actually makes these quite boost friendly motors... the 5.0 is 11:1 for goodness sake.

If it were me I would choose the 2010 3V as a weekend car. I'd rather have the torque, lower compression for boost and the v8, that's just my opinion. Not saying the 3.7 is no good, it's a very impressive engine for a v6. If I wanted a daily driven car I could throw in the corners on occasion I'd consider a 3.7.

When the Fiance's v6 is paid off we will be getting a 3v to be the other road course car for me. I like the v6, its fun, its pretty damn good, but i personally would still take the 3v. Ultimately i am agreeing with you, just nit picking some of your points is all.
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If I could of gotten a new 2010 GT for the same or near similar price as my 2011 3.7 back in October 2010, I would of gladly bought the GT. That wasn't happening!

Just a near stock 3.7
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If I could of gotten a new 2010 GT for the same or near similar price as my 2011 3.7 back in October 2010, I would of gladly bought the GT. That wasn't happening!

Just a near stock 3.7
That's pretty surprising to hear. I remember when the 3.7's and 5.0's were coming out up here 2010 3V's were practically being given away. The only 3v's that were still selling for more than a 3.7 were premium convertibles and it wasn't by much.

Maybe the markets on the coasts are that different from the Midwest.
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That's pretty surprising to hear. I remember when the 3.7's and 5.0's were coming out up here 2010 3V's were practically being given away. The only 3v's that were still selling for more than a 3.7 were premium convertibles and it wasn't by much.

Maybe the markets on the coasts are that different from the Midwest.
I'm not sure sir. When I went looking at new 10 Gt's and new 11 V6's back in October 2010, the 10 GT's were far higher. I would of gladly bought a 10 GT if the price was right back then so I bought the 11 3.7 with no regrets

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I like the 3.7, but i have a problem with this statement. Yes, i understand money is different to everyone and we're talking on paper here and all that, but new to new there is about a ~$10k difference between base v6 and base GT and about a what, $20-$30k difference bettwen GT and GT500? Not really apples to apples.
About a what 120hp between the 3.7 and 5.0, and what a difference of 225+ hp between the 5.0 and Gt500, I'd say its a close price to hp comparison, not to mention the wonderful Shelby name plate you get with it along with the other goodies😜

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About a what 120hp between the 3.7 and 5.0, and what a difference of 225+ hp between the 5.0 and Gt500, I'd say its a close price to hp comparison, not to mention the wonderful Shelby name plate you get with it along with the other goodies😜

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There are cars running 9s with low 500hp numbers. There are cars making almost double that that can't even run a 10. It really isn't all about numbers.

For the Shelby... not getting into that too much but some of the biggest dyno queens in the world that would fall into that 800+hp range that have horrible 1/4 mile times are Shelbys.
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There are cars running 9s with low 500hp numbers. There are cars making almost double that that can't even run a 10. It really isn't all about numbers.

For the Shelby... not getting into that too much but some of the biggest dyno queens in the world that would fall into that 800+hp range that have horrible 1/4 mile times are Shelbys.
See, Gt guys defending their cars to their bigger brother Gt500 cars, its the same thing that 3.7 guys defending their cars on their bigger brother 5.0 cars. Its funny that the bigger is better mentality applies to gt guys to the 3.7 guys but doesn't apply to gt guys to Shelby guys....
Not starting an argument, just find it funny that's all.
Btw this is not directly at you just in general.

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See, Gt guys defending their cars to their bigger brother Gt500 cars, its the same thing that 3.7 guys defending their cars on their bigger brother 5.0 cars. Its funny that the bigger is better mentality applies to gt guys to the 3.7 guys but doesn't apply to gt guys to Shelby guys....
Not starting an argument, just find it funny that's all.

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Except the Coyote is on a much more level playing field if not even. At least for the 07-12 cars. GT500s make huge numbers but aren't exactly known for being the fastest things in the world.
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With that said. Just go buy a 13 or 14 Gt500. Its the better starting platform over the 5.0.

Just a near stock 3.7
At double the price new, about 3X the price now.
The same is not true with the V6 versus 5.0.
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At double the price new, about 3X the price now.
The same is not true with the V6 versus 5.0.
Not to mention its setup as a straight line bruiser where the 6R80 would just shine beyond belief and no option for an auto. IIRC the new GT500 whenever that comes out should have an option for the 8 or 10 speed auto whatever Ford is coming out with.
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In all honesty the GT500 motor isnt even all that good... it has the displacement of a DOHC motor, but only has the RPM range (if even) of a pushrod motor, as well as no VVT. It really doesnt have anything going for it, not to sound like even more of a 5.0 nut swinger, but the 5.0 really is just the best engine Ford offers (5.2 voodoo aside).
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I still say this:
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If you just like to go out in the garage and look at your Mustang,
If you still love it as much as the day you brought your Mustang home,
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I still say this:
"If you park your Mustang and have to just turn around and look at it when going to a store -
If you just like to go out in the garage and look at your Mustang,
If you still love it as much as the day you brought your Mustang home,
If you still just plain love your 3.7 V6 Cyclone engine Mustang ( Stick or Auto)
Just get the Pro-Charger or whatever mod you feel you would want.
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not to sound like even more of a 5.0 nut swinger, but the 5.0 really is just the best engine Ford offers (5.2 voodoo aside).
Other than the voodoo AND cyclone. 😄

Maybe the 3.5 eco also.😄😄

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Other than the voodoo AND cyclone. 😄

Maybe the 3.5 eco also.😄😄

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Problem is none of them are even close to the LT1...


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Problem is none of them are even close to the LT1...


Agreed!
I'm betting in 5 years the coyote will find its self at the unemployment office along with my 3.7.....

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Is the procharger worth it?

Maybe they'll put the V6 TT out the GT in the Mustang.


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See, Gt guys defending their cars to their bigger brother Gt500 cars, its the same thing that 3.7 guys defending their cars on their bigger brother 5.0 cars. Its funny that the bigger is better mentality applies to gt guys to the 3.7 guys but doesn't apply to gt guys to Shelby guys....
Not starting an argument, just find it funny that's all.
Btw this is not directly at you just in general.

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Problem is none of them are even close to the LT1...


Unfortunate, but true :/
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Problem is none of them are even close to the LT1...

Truth!

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Pre 2011 V6. Agreed! 2011 plus. Nope!

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My torque numbers were higher with the procharger but I also have 3.73 gears so that is to be expected. 353 is what I got on a mustang dyno.

I am around 115-120 at top of 3rd.
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A Turbo is usually hooked up to a custom header, and the fumes of the exhaust that is exiting the heads will drive the turbo’s impeller. A supercharger is driven from the vehicles belt system, which is driven by the crank pulley. The turbo takes zero HP to turn the impeller as it uses exhaust gases. A supercharger uses a belt which is an accessory so it is using HP from your engine to spin it.

There are 3 popular types of superchargers which all have different characteristics. 1. A centrifugal type supercharger. These compressors look like a turbo and have similar qualities. Since the belts drive the supercharger they are using hp from your engine all the time. A centrifugal supercharger will usually start building up boost in the lower RPM range and then you will see full boost at redline. A centrifugal supercharger builds boost per RPM speed. So lets say you have a 6psi system. You will start seeing 1psi around 2500 RPM and then 6psi at your redline.

The 2 other common types will be a Roots and a twin-screw type supercharger. These types offer great low end HP and torque since the boost curve comes on instantly. Unlike centrifugal type superchargers usually you see full boost in the lower RPM range and it stays linear throughout the whole RPM band. These are usually great for towing, road course racing, and even drag racing.

Now turbo systems use the exhaust fumes to drive the turbo, and usually you will have a slight turbo lag. Turbo lag is the time it takes the exhaust fumes to turn the turbo impeller. Once the impeller is spooled up usually you will reach full boost pretty quickly. Since the turbo is run off the exhaust the temperatures are normally very high and that’s why there will be a strong need for an intercooler and even a turbo timer. These items help control the heat so you do not ruin your turbo and engine.

Also another major difference is the way the boost is controlled. Since a supercharger is run off of the belt system, you have to change the pulley to get more boost out of it. One of the benefits of this setup is that you do not have to worry about over boosting your engine, where if you do go to high in boost it will blow your engine. So usually the supercharger setup will be set at a conservative boost level, which is safe for your car. If you did want more boost all you have to do is get a smaller supercharger pulley or a larger crank pulley. This will spin the supercharger quicker giving you more boost.

Now with a turbo they have a wastegate and a boost controller that helps control the amount of boost you will get. All you have to do is turn the setting higher on the boost controller and you can change the boost pressure instantly. The convenience factor is there however the draw back is over boosting the engine and blowing it. On top of that there will be a potential risk of boost spike. Boost spike is where all of a sudden the boost pressure will go far beyond your normal setting and this can destroy your engine.

Now most supercharger systems are sold as complete kits so nothing is usually needed for it to work on your application. A lot of these kits are C.A.R.B. approved so you do not have to worry about being able to smog your car…this also means that it is legal for street use, so the cops cannot ticket you for it. Most kits will come with all the programming, fuel components, and all the belts brackets and hardware so you can bolt it on and go. Supercharger kits also come with a warranty of 1-3 years depending on the manufacture.

Turbo systems usually are very basic and you usually will have to add several upgrades in order for it to be safe and complete. Usually an intercooler, boost controller, turbo timer, and sometimes a wastegate is needed. On top of that you usually have to worry about the fuel components and tuning. These kits usually are not C.A.R.B. approved. A lot of streetcars will see more HP gains with a turbo system, however these systems usually have a lot of time building and tuning in them. Dyno time costs money and the more you need to tune the more $$$ you have into the system. Custom tuning is necessary for your supercharger system but imo usually less than a turbo and you will see equal amount of HP…or at least you will give them a run for your money.
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Excellent information,
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I have a 14' V6 and I like it a lot. I would love to have more power under the hood though but I enjoy the balance of power and fuel consumption. Now I too have thought about a SC setup eventually (after warranty runs out). My philosophy of use would be to have a sleeper and have some fun.
Yeah it would be nice to have a V8 and that's more power but there is gonna be someone who has more power so it's a never ending battle in my opinion. If I ever do a SC install, I think it would be a good idea to have the engine rebuilt to last longer....? I don't really know how durable the factory 3.7L is and if it would be reliable if upgraded with a SC without a rebuild....

I have a roommate and she has a 11' Camaro SS and she is always f*ck*ng with me and making stupid comments.... I told her one day she is gonna get her a$$ beat by a V6 lol... so I feel your pain man.... but it's ok... he who laughs last, laughs BEST!

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There are a lot of 3.7 mustangs that are supercharged as well as a few turbos running around central Florida that are using the stone stock engine.
It is one very tuff engine to start with.
I'll see if I can find the information that I thought I saved about the 3.7 already having forged rods and other sturdy features.
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"Forged" is also a very subjective term though, and one to be careful of. Technically all rods are forged, so its not beyond an OEM to advertise "forged rods."

Nit pickiness aside, the 3.7 is a stout motor if you take care of it.
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There are a lot of 3.7 mustangs that are supercharged as well as a few turbos running around central Florida that are using the stone stock engine.
It is one very tuff engine to start with.
I'll see if I can find the information that I thought I saved about the 3.7 already having forged rods and other sturdy features.
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PS: I found this but still looking for the breakdown on the engine. I thought I saved it but it sure is hard to find if I didn't delete it.
I remember that Ronnie. Back at the end of 2009 when little bits and pieces about the new 3.7L v6 was being released by Ford. The talk about so many forged parts had people thinking the 3.7 was really just a 3.5 EcoBoost with larger pistons.
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There are a lot of 3.7 mustangs that are supercharged as well as a few turbos running around central Florida that are using the stone stock engine.
It is one very tuff engine to start with.
I'll see if I can find the information that I thought I saved about the 3.7 already having forged rods and other sturdy features.
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PS: I found this but still looking for the breakdown on the engine. I thought I saved it but it sure is hard to find if I didn't delete it.
This one?

http://v6mustangperformance.com/wp-c...g_V6_Specs.pdf
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