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Old 02-10-2016, 05:34 PM   #1
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Upgrade Throttle Body-Yes/No?

Ok, is it worth to upgrade throttle body. Yes or No?

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I would love all input but especially input from people that did the upgrade! It seems like it's a 50/50 on opinion.

Also, the people that think it wouldn't be worth it would you think it would be worth it if you did other stuff first? Like in order to see benefits would it be best to have a cold air intake installed? People say a CAI is not worth it but would a CAI paired with a new throttle body make two things that are not worth it worth it?
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Ok, is it worth to upgrade throttle body. Yes or No?

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I would love all input but especially input from people that did the upgrade! It seems like it's a 50/50 on opinion.

Also, the people that think it wouldn't be worth it would you think it would be worth it if you did other stuff first? Like in order to see benefits would it be best to have a cold air intake installed? People say a CAI is not worth it but would a CAI paired with a new throttle body make two things that are not worth it worth it?
I'm new, so grain of salt here. That being said, I've continuously read that if you're going to get a TB/CAI then get a tune (I imagine that's why they always pair a tune with CAI). Otherwise, the benefits are limited if barely noticeable it sounds like.

It comes down to what's more important for you. Are the looks and sounds of the car a priority over performance? If performance is a priority, you'll need more than a TB to be pleased I'd wager. Much easier to be pleased over sound changes via exhaust. In terms of the performance direction, have you thought about a gear change? I'd say that will give you the most noticeable difference early on.
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My understanding of the data is this:

When looking at a dyno graph you will see little to no gains, so people are tempted to write it off.

Those that have done it however, report an increased "seat of the pants" feel, or that the car is more willing to go with less throttle input. Basically that the car just seems more "alive" down low. This is not only hard to see on a dyno, but is almost impossible to put a quantitative measure to as well.

That is just my interpretation of the information.
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Do it. I did and I don't regret it a second. Midrange pull definately something you feel. That's where our sixers need it the most.
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If you're thinking about putting on the TB then I would save the money until you can buy both that AND a tune. Otherwise you're not gonna see much of a performance difference by just bolting the TB on.


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Different folks have different results but yes, the tuner will maximize things but for my part, I felt and saw a difference right off before I got my tuner.


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Upgrade Throttle Body-Yes/No?

I have a roush intake and sct 91 octane tune, will i notice the difference or should i save up a little more and buy a aluminum driveshaft?
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If you're thinking about putting on the TB then I would save the money until you can buy both that AND a tune. Otherwise you're not gonna see much of a performance difference by just bolting the TB on.


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Different folks have different results but yes, the tuner will maximize things but for my part, I felt and saw a difference right off before I got my tuner.


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Thanks for your advice! I'm glad you responded since you said you bought one and can notice a difference. I am very interested in low rpm acceleration so that sounds great!
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I'm new, so grain of salt here. That being said, I've continuously read that if you're going to get a TB/CAI then get a tune (I imagine that's why they always pair a tune with CAI). Otherwise, the benefits are limited if barely noticeable it sounds like.

It comes down to what's more important for you. Are the looks and sounds of the car a priority over performance? If performance is a priority, you'll need more than a TB to be pleased I'd wager. Much easier to be pleased over sound changes via exhaust. In terms of the performance direction, have you thought about a gear change? I'd say that will give you the most noticeable difference early on.
Yeah I can imagine a tune will help but at the same time I can't imagine buying something for $400 (the throttle body) and not seeing some sort of a difference.

As I just mentioned above I actually have a tune coming in the mail so maybe later on I will get the CAI and Throttle Body to go with it.

Personally, whats most important to me is performance first and sound 2nd...looks would be last because I like the way my car looks already lol

Also, yeah I am also interested in gears because I heard good things just scared of where to take it to make sure it's done good...thats a scary mod
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Like what most everyone has said there doesn't seam to be any quanitive measure as to weather or not a $400 TB makes any difference. From experience the best thing to drop your money into looks to be gears and tune. Far more real world results for what you pay. I will say that I have been tempted numerous time but I have seen more guys buy them and sell them off quicker than most people do with just CAIs
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There is a member here on M/E that sells a 80 mm GT TB that has had the bolt pattern milled into it so you can bolt it to the 3.7 intake. Price when I got mine was $160. You have to grind the fins out of the intake so that big ole butterfly will open up. I got MPT to include it in my tune and I love it. The throttle response with it is just so much smoother. A lot cheaper than $400. Just a thought.


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There is a member here on M/E that sells a 80 mm GT TB that has had the bolt pattern milled into it so you can bolt it to the 3.7 intake. Price when I got mine was $160. You have to grind the fins out of the intake so that big ole butterfly will open up. I got MPT to include it in my tune and I love it. The throttle response with it is just so much smoother. A lot cheaper than $400. Just a thought.


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I think I know who you're talking about. He did say he felt an improvement, but I don't think he ever got a before or after dyno.
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Yes that is correct, at the time he had no dyno information. However upon receiving the tb from him I carried my 2014 3.7 to a local shop with a rwhp dyno. We ran the car just as it came from the dealer Max Power 255.22 Max Torque 249.76. Same day same time we took the 68mm tb off and bolted the 80 mm up with a 1" spacer so the butterfly would open all the way and ran it again Max Power 257.81 Max Torque 251.65. So now was it tb or spacer ? After talking with MPT I have updated all my tunes for the 80 mm tb. They said it would be a definite gain. I am returning to the same dyno sometime next month but I have bolted on all the other mods so singling out the throttle body is going to be impossible.. Overall I am very satisfied with the reaction I get when I smash the pedal..
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First one I got was Dead On Arrival, couldn't get out of the driveway. AM sent another one and it worked fine. For those that can tell you they can feel the difference without pure data, I don't know what that is based on. I did not feel any difference, but if you are going to put on a tune, do some exhaust work, Cold Air Intake, it would make sense to have the 73MM TB.
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Ok, is it worth to upgrade throttle body. Yes or No?

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I would love all input but especially input from people that did the upgrade! It seems like it's a 50/50 on opinion.

Also, the people that think it wouldn't be worth it would you think it would be worth it if you did other stuff first? Like in order to see benefits would it be best to have a cold air intake installed? People say a CAI is not worth it but would a CAI paired with a new throttle body make two things that are not worth it worth it?
Don't waste your money on one. Its great for a paper weight. If you have to have one, don't buy new. Hey used and don't pay over $175. Still a waste of money for a N/A setup.

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Yes that is correct, at the time he had no dyno information. However upon receiving the tb from him I carried my 2014 3.7 to a local shop with a rwhp dyno. We ran the car just as it came from the dealer Max Power 255.22 Max Torque 249.76. Same day same time we took the 68mm tb off and bolted the 80 mm up with a 1" spacer so the butterfly would open all the way and ran it again Max Power 257.81 Max Torque 251.65. So now was it tb or spacer ? After talking with MPT I have updated all my tunes for the 80 mm tb. They said it would be a definite gain. I am returning to the same dyno sometime next month but I have bolted on all the other mods so singling out the throttle body is going to be impossible.. Overall I am very satisfied with the reaction I get when I smash the pedal..
Let's us know how it goes.
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Never trust your butt dyno unless it has been recently calibrated by a professional.


The power people claim to feel is likely a placebo affect. Gonna be difficult to feel a gain or loss of a few horses. DA will have more affect on how the car runs rather than a new mod like a TB.
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As far as I learned from internet discussion, TB seems not bring much gain if any. If you prefer more lower end pull, a shorty head might be the way to go for same $400-ish money.

But installation of shorty head is much more difficult than TB.
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As far as I learned from internet discussion, TB seems not bring much gain if any. If you prefer more lower end pull, a shorty head might be the way to go for same $400-ish money.

But installation of shorty head is much more difficult than TB.

Yeah that was actually going to end up being my next purchase...I wanted to go down the line in this order- CAI, TB, and then headers

But since it seems like CAI and TB are a waste of money I think I may hold off on that.


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I actually have the 80MM GT throttle body I still have to put on. I got it off of ebay for $65 a while ago.
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I actually have the 80MM GT throttle body I still have to put on. I got it off of ebay for $65 a while ago.

Wtf that is a great deal! Did u notice any difference?


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I believe that's good price for take-off stock GT TB. But in order to fit that in our V6 engine, extra work need to be done on machining the thing. Should take that cost in the total price.

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I waited for my warranty to get up before I put it on, so it will be going on as soon as other warms up.
As for the machining, it is an aluminum housing that needs the holes elongated to fit.
Roush has them on ebay for $70 for a bid or $90 for BIN for new take offs.

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I believe that's good price for take-off stock GT TB. But in order to fit that in our V6 engine, extra work need to be done on machining the thing. Should take that cost in the total price.

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Man, you changed your 2010 to 2013 before warranty ends. You may replace your 2013 with 2017~ish soon.

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I waited for my warranty to get up before I put it on, so it will be going on as soon as other warms up.
As for the machining, it is an aluminum housing that needs the holes elongated to fit.
Roush has them on ebay for $70 for a bid or $90 for BIN for new take offs.

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Man, you changed your 2010 to 2013 before warranty ends. You may replace your 2013 with 2017~ish soon.
Warranty was up on the 2010 when it was traded.
Right now I am taking it in on a emissions leak on the fuel inlet.
Still not a fan of the S550 so the the S197 is here for a while.

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Yes that is correct, at the time he had no dyno information. However upon receiving the tb from him I carried my 2014 3.7 to a local shop with a rwhp dyno. We ran the car just as it came from the dealer Max Power 255.22 Max Torque 249.76. Same day same time we took the 68mm tb off and bolted the 80 mm up with a 1" spacer so the butterfly would open all the way and ran it again Max Power 257.81 Max Torque 251.65. So now was it tb or spacer ? After talking with MPT I have updated all my tunes for the 80 mm tb. They said it would be a definite gain. I am returning to the same dyno sometime next month but I have bolted on all the other mods so singling out the throttle body is going to be impossible.. Overall I am very satisfied with the reaction I get when I smash the pedal..
Any updates? Have you dynoed it after updating your tune?
Also, what spacer did you use? Is that the airaid poweraid spacer?
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Went back to dyno. Had 262 rwhp & 254 tq. I will post the dyno sheet when I return home from this trip. It really pulled strong up to 6000 rpm but fell down bad from 6000-7000. Maybe due to shorty headers or something else ?? The spacer is an airaid that was milled out to 3.15 ". Thanks, Have a Great Day


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