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Old 02-29-2016, 12:05 PM   #1
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Sad news and wanted to share

Hey all
This happened over the weekend and just wanted to share w all. So sad and so preventable.
Three Killed in Fiery, Multi-Car Crash in East Los Angeles - ABC News

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Old 02-29-2016, 12:09 PM   #2
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Consequences of street racing.


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Street racing is stupid. Nothing is being proven. We all are aware of our car's limits. I always tell people to keep it on a drag strip. People are trying to get home to see their families.

My heart goes out to the people who lost their lives for other people's stupid decision.
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According to the news, Charger -vs- Challenger. 35 year old driver of the Challenger is old enough to know better, but the other car fled the scene.
Two women returning from Disneyland and the UPS driver dead.
The racers should be charged with murder.
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According to the news, Charger -vs- Challenger. 35 year old driver of the Challenger is old enough to know better, but the other car fled the scene.

Two women returning from Disneyland and the UPS driver dead.

The racers should be charged with murder.

They're not gonna get murder. Not how the law works. Not that I don't agree with u but manslaughter is the right charge.


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They're not gonna get murder. Not how the law works. Not that I don't agree with u but manslaughter is the right charge.
Our prosecutor here sought and won a murder charge for an auto collision (notice I did NOT call it an "accident").
If you read most state's definition for murder, it includes some form of "manifest indifference" resulting in death.
I know that most prosecutors will bail out and only charge manslaughter, but a courageous one can do better.....see below for some light reading - actual case appeal, and murder charge confirmed:

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Our prosecutor here sought and won a murder charge for an auto collision (notice I did NOT call it an "accident").

If you read most state's definition for murder, it includes some form of "manifest indifference" resulting in death.

I know that most prosecutors will bail out and only charge manslaughter, but a courageous one can do better.....see below for some light reading - actual case appeal, and murder charge confirmed:



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I could see that but this is diff. Involuntary manslaughter with no more then 10 years with fines and I'm sure there will be civil suits against him.


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Diff with that case was individual was fueled with alcohol and rage. Driving in ppls lawns etc and kept going. With this incident it was impulse. Just driving and all of a sudden gets the urge to race another car and this happens. So stupid..


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that sux.

this is why we delete street racing posts. It isn't too bad if it's just yourself but to be responsible for someones other than yours death...
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I could see that but this is diff. Involuntary manslaughter with no more then 10 years with fines and I'm sure there will be civil suits against him.


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I disagree.........street racing in the dark especially, is a clear demonstration of "manifest indifference" to anyone else on the road, and other's right to safety and life.
90+mph, passing on the right, hitting a semi causing it to go out of control and into oncoming traffic, killing three innocents .........where here is NOT "manifest indifference."??
Again, I know that most prosecutors are not courageous enough to seek a murder charge in these cases, but by the very definition of manifest indifference, street racing is no different than firing a gun down a crowded sidewalk.....except with street racing your bullet weighs 4,000 pounds.
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" shooting a gun at a crowd is no diff"??? Of course there is. If your shooting your gun at a crowd you know for a fact someone is going to get hurt or even killed. Street racing there is a potential of the same But one isn't street racing to intentionally cause harm. Big diff.


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" shooting a gun at a crowd is no diff"??? Of course there is. If your shooting your gun at a crowd you know for a fact someone is going to get hurt or even killed. Street racing there is a potential of the same But one isn't street racing to intentionally cause harm. Big diff.


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Let's just agree to disagree. If you fire your gun in the direction of people, and are aiming between them, but hit and kill one of them instead, what do you think you are going to be charged with?
The manifest indifference to human life of pulling a trigger is little different than the press of the gas pedal -- although the resulting death(s) may be less than intentional in either case.
"Manifest indifference" and "intent" are two different things under the law, with intent being a higher degree of culpability. One is "I just don't care what happens if I do this," and the other takes a degree of planning. Still, manifest indifference is included in most state's murder definitions as a lower degree of culpability.....and again, I understand your point, but these people racing and causing deaths are not charged with murder only by practice, not definition.
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Let's just agree to disagree. If you fire your gun in the direction of people, and are aiming between them, but hit and kill one of them instead, what do you think you are going to be charged with?

The manifest indifference to human life of pulling a trigger is little different than the press of the gas pedal -- although the resulting death(s) may be less than intentional in either case.

"Manifest indifference" and "intent" are two different things under the law, with intent being a higher degree of culpability. One is "I just don't care what happens if I do this," and the other takes a degree of planning. Still, manifest indifference is included in most state's murder definitions as a lower degree of culpability.....and again, I understand your point, but these people racing and causing deaths are not charged with murder only by practice, not definition.

I don't disagree with the meaning of the word. Yes they both have disregard for life. I'm simply saying that involuntary manslaughter is the right charge. An attorney would not take the chance for mani indiff. Simply because in my opinion they will not get it to stick. Again it's a sad and stupid situation and we both agree on that. If one was drinking alcohol, enough to impair their driving and was street racing I could see that charge, simply because they new they were under the influence and still got behind the wheel.


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Rosario........thanks --- I enjoy discussions like ours.
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This is California, this guy is either going to get the book thrown at him and locked up for the rest of his life as a murderer or he is going to get a traffic ticket and a slap on the wrist. But they are making examples out of people doing this crap.
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Rosario........thanks --- I enjoy discussions like ours.

Me too bud. It's ok when ppl disagree. Nothing wrong with that. It makes the discussion interesting. I know some ppl get bent outta shape but it's pet of life


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Let's keep this thread alive with the results of the outcome . Should be interesting


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But couldn't you then say your judgement was impaired and you had even less of a clue?

not really meaning that ^^ just pondering. I would say something like this deserves more than a max of 10 years depending on how fast they were going and what thet really were doing.
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My thoughts and prayers go out to the Families of the dead and injured.
I know in Tennessee they will try to get you on 2nd degree murder, although the one in Johnson City got it down to Reckless Homicide, they were both still charged with Vehicular Homicide and Aggravated Assault.
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something else to consider before you suggest what the driver should get, consider if it was your Love coming home that didn't get there.
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something else to consider before you suggest what the driver should get, consider if it was your Love coming home that didn't get there.

That would be horrible but unfortunately for them that's not gonna change the laws. If the offender had no priors he most likely will get no more than 10 yrs.


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