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Old 03-06-2016, 10:00 PM   #36
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Like Alrefire stated, 450-500 is probably the safe range. I would seriously consider upgrading your drivetrain before doing that though.



At a bare minimum, new pistons. I'm not sure what the stock compression ratio is, but I'm willing to bet it's higher than ideal due to the motor starting as NA. Someone else here has mentioned the piston rings are a weak point.

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These are the results of the twin turbo kit on 10psi.


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420 wtq is good, its not horsepower that breaks things, its torque. This motor will probably live forever (assuming you take good care of it) with those torque levels. I love these little v6 motors but God that thing sounds awful though...
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lol I agree with that, it sounds like a weed whacker. But at least the turbos sound good.


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420 wtq is good, its not horsepower that breaks things, its torque. This motor will probably live forever (assuming you take good care of it) with those torque levels. I love these little v6 motors but God that thing sounds awful though...
Good point. I probably should've mentioned I meant torque. Replacing your stock two-piece driveshaft with a stronger one-piece is a necessity (longevity wise). Less points of failure, less weight, and better to compensate with the amount of force 400-500 tq will produce.
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Yeah, when you have 3" exhaust all the way back on a V6, there's not a whole hell of a lot that can be done to make it not sound like a weed-wacker. I'm swapping the stock header manifolds to JBA shorties soon and we will see if that improves the sound.

My car made 520whp/472tq on 93 @ 10psi with my little 53mm no-name turbos. Car is running strong, and I will be hitting the track soon enough. Should be putting down low-mid 11's, possibly 10's with the right conditions.

To answer the question of what will be needed past 650hp, you'll need a stall if your auto, or a built MT82 if you're manual. You'll need a BAP. You'll need an aftermarket transmission cooler. You'll need forged pistons and rods. You will probably need billet OPGs.
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Yeah, when you have 3" exhaust all the way back on a V6, there's not a whole hell of a lot that can be done to make it not sound like a weed-wacker. I'm swapping the stock header manifolds to JBA shorties soon and we will see if that improves the sound.

My car made 520whp/472tq on 93 @ 10psi with my little 53mm no-name turbos. Car is running strong, and I will be hitting the track soon enough. Should be putting down low-mid 11's, possibly 10's with the right conditions.

To answer the question of what will be needed past 650hp, you'll need a stall if your auto, or a built MT82 if you're manual. You'll need a BAP. You'll need an aftermarket transmission cooler. You'll need forged pistons and rods. You will probably need billet OPGs.
The stock fuel system is not going to handle 650whp haha
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I'm more interested in the single. So does the whole exhaust all the way back have to be a bigger diameter?


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2.75" is more than enough for 5.0's with bolt on boost, so would be enough for the 3.7 for sure. 3" however will allow more room for growth.

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The stock fuel system is not going to handle 650whp haha
Yes it will. Just need a BAP. The turbo kit already comes with injectors, so I didn't mention that.
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Yeah, when you have 3" exhaust all the way back on a V6, there's not a whole hell of a lot that can be done to make it not sound like a weed-wacker. I'm swapping the stock header manifolds to JBA shorties soon and we will see if that improves the sound.

My car made 520whp/472tq on 93 @ 10psi with my little 53mm no-name turbos. Car is running strong, and I will be hitting the track soon enough. Should be putting down low-mid 11's, possibly 10's with the right conditions.

To answer the question of what will be needed past 650hp, you'll need a stall if your auto, or a built MT82 if you're manual. You'll need a BAP. You'll need an aftermarket transmission cooler. You'll need forged pistons and rods. You will probably need billet OPGs.
I'd love to see a dyno. I dont doubt your numbers, just wanna check out the power band. Thanks.
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I'd love to see a dyno. I dont doubt your numbers, just wanna check out the power band. Thanks.
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Man that is impressive. That's with stock pistons, rings....

If so you've made my mind up on which way to go....

appreciate it...

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Man that is impressive. That's with stock pistons, rings....

If so you've made my mind up on which way to go....

appreciate it...

I'll be the baddest old man in the neighborhood....
Yeah that is all stock, but make no mistake... I am most likely on borrowed time right now.

There is no real defined line of what these engines can handle stock. Some have blown at 450-500/375-425, some have handled 550-600/425-475 for set periods of time and been fine. While the majority of issues are most likely tune related, there just haven't been enough instances of boosted 3.7's to really figure out a definitive safe point. It is generally considered that around 450-500whp/400tq on 93 is relatively safe, and 500-550whp/450-500tq on E85 is relatively safe. But again, these are best guesses.

While I hate the company, LPF has inadvertently provided good information. Killer6 was at 14-17psi and a 100 shot of nitrous on stock internals and it lasted something like a year before they built it.

CFM has also been at ~550whp/450-500tq on E85 for 3 years on stock internals with no issues.

I have been beating the hell out of my car for the past 6 months and have yet to have any issues.

All just food for thought.
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Yeah that is all stock, but make no mistake... I am most likely on borrowed time right now.

There is no real defined line of what these engines can handle stock. Some have blown at 450-500/375-425, some have handled 550-600/425-475 for set periods of time and been fine. While the majority of issues are most likely tune related, there just haven't been enough instances of boosted 3.7's to really figure out a definitive safe point. It is generally considered that around 450-500whp/400tq on 93 is relatively safe, and 500-550whp/450-500tq on E85 is relatively safe. But again, these are best guesses.

While I hate the company, LPF has inadvertently provided good information. Killer6 was at 14-17psi and a 100 shot of nitrous on stock internals and it lasted something like a year before they built it.

CFM has also been at ~550whp/450-500tq on E85 for 3 years on stock internals with no issues.

I have been beating the hell out of my car for the past 6 months and have yet to have any issues.

All just food for thought.
In my opinion, your tune is very conservative. 300 wtq at 4000 rpms is a cake walk, and you dont even get over 400 wtq until 5k. we've got 4 cylinders that will handle 400 wtq all day, and if you want to do some ricer math, thats 100 wtq per cylinder at 4000 rpms. Your car is seeing 50 wtq at 4000 rpms, and 67 wtq per cylinder at 5000 rpms. Cake walk.
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In my opinion, your tune is very conservative. 300 wtq at 4000 rpms is a cake walk, and you dont even get over 400 wtq until 5k. we've got 4 cylinders that will handle 400 wtq all day, and if you want to do some ricer math, thats 100 wtq per cylinder at 4000 rpms. Your car is seeing 50 wtq at 4000 rpms, and 67 wtq per cylinder at 5000 rpms. Cake walk.
Yeah its definitely a conservative tune, but it's not that simple either. There have been a couple 3.7's blown with less than 450tq.

It should in theory be fine, but only time will tell
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Yeah its definitely a conservative tune, but it's not that simple either. There have been a couple 3.7's blown with less than 450tq.

It should in theory be fine, but only time will tell
I was only at 410, but we all know that's not the only factor lol

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Yeah that is all stock, but make no mistake... I am most likely on borrowed time right now.

There is no real defined line of what these engines can handle stock. Some have blown at 450-500/375-425, some have handled 550-600/425-475 for set periods of time and been fine. While the majority of issues are most likely tune related, there just haven't been enough instances of boosted 3.7's to really figure out a definitive safe point. It is generally considered that around 450-500whp/400tq on 93 is relatively safe, and 500-550whp/450-500tq on E85 is relatively safe. But again, these are best guesses.

While I hate the company, LPF has inadvertently provided good information. Killer6 was at 14-17psi and a 100 shot of nitrous on stock internals and it lasted something like a year before they built it.

CFM has also been at ~550whp/450-500tq on E85 for 3 years on stock internals with no issues.

I have been beating the hell out of my car for the past 6 months and have yet to have any issues.

All just food for thought.
Good stuff. Thx.

reliable 450-500whp would be a nice step up for my daily driver...
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