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Old 03-03-2016, 10:52 PM   #1
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Several posts have popped up recently in regards to turbo kits. Having gone through a few kits, I decided to make a central post (that's not my build thread) to compare and contrast the kits. Feel free to ask questions, and I will try my best to answer them. Enjoy!


1) Limitless Performance and Fabrication Single Kit

The first kit I purchased was the LPF kit. If you are thinking of purchasing the LPF kit, DO NOT. I will get into the details of the kit later, but allow me to start with the business itself. Justin is a con artist; there is no other way to put that. He put me out 6 grand, and I had to wait 10 months before I received anything from him. When I did receive my parts, a lot of them were missing, and Justin refused to cooperate in a professional manner. He pulled a similar con job to another 3.7 owner in Florida, who had to wait 6 months. Finally, there are 2 more people who had to wait over the course of several months before they even got a response to Justin, who was holding their money hostage at the time. One of the individuals was lucky, because he paid through paypal using his credit card, so he was able to get his full amount back. If that's not enough. Go take a look at how Justin responds to my post on his business page when I put him on blast for treating other customers the way he treated me. Here is the link: https://www.facebook.com/LPF-Limitle...31269/reviews/

Now that I have highlighted the atrocious business practices utilized by Justin at LPF, I'm going to explain, in detail, why the kit is not your best bet. For starters, the most glaring issue with the kit is the placement of the O2 sensors. The driver's side O2 sensor is in the downpipe while the other one is in the stock passenger side location. This creates inconsistencies with the O2 sensor readings which will result in messed up fuel-trims. Secondly, LPF couldn't have picked a worse way to lay out the hot side. There are 3 90* turns. 90* turns kill the spool time. This is why LPF isn't managing very impressive numbers on any of their cars. Killer 6 claims to have 1000 horsepower, but can not manage to get out of the 10s. The car has blown 3 motors and always seems to be having some kind of issue when going down the track. When i saw the car in person, it was not idling correctly at all, and it was having serious fueling issues (maybe the O2 sensors?). Although there isn't much room for fitment to begin with, LPF didn't do a very good job of plumbing the cold side of the kit. the couplers were all an inch too short. One of the couplers was butted up against the ABS module and was bent. The cold side used an excessive amount of couplers. It looks like they used a million parts off of a shelf to design an extremely inefficient kit that has really bad turbo lag (If you honestly believe they don't use the nitrous to spool their motor, you're playing yourself). The last guy I talked to that ran this kit had to replace one of the cheap on3 wastegates because it had failed on him. Pricing on the LPF kit starts at $4350 (although I highly recommend you don't buy it)

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2) JM Performance Single Turbo kit

The Second Kit I purchased was the JMP Single Turbo Kit. It is extremely similar to the production kit. The only difference is that the production kit utilizes log manifolds instead of the tubular headers that I previously had. Jack is a much more skilled worker who puts actual effort into designing his kits. This kit uses as little piping as possible with minimal restriction to ensure a turbo kit that spools quickly.

Now in regards to my business dealings with Jack. I paid in full for the single kit (I elected not to buy the actual turbo at the time). and I had the kit less than 3 weeks later. In a separate purchase, I ordered a 3500 Torque Stall converter and a Boost/AFR gauge (from when I used to be auto) shortly before Jack went on vacation. He was going to be unable to ship the products for 2 weeks and I was perfectly fine with that, yet he still offered to give me a full refund until he got back. In addition to all of this, Jack truly cares for his customers. He's provided me with advice in regards to building my motor, sizing the turbos, and even suspension. He is a really down to Earth guy who's always willing to talk about your build when he's available. I was even discussing the possibility of 3.7 swapping another vehicle back when I almost sold my car.

Now that I've described Jack's persona, I'm going to give you information about his single kit. Unlike the LPF kit, this one utilizes REAL Tial wastegates. For reference, the guy who got his money back from LPF turned around and bought the JMP production kit. Both O2 sensors are placed in the downpipe to where they will read consistently and are not at higher risk of prematurely going bad due to extremely heat and pressure. Pricing on Jacks' single Kit starts at 4500 + shipping, more options are available.

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3) JMP Twin Turbo Kit

The twin turbo kit is why I decided to sell my single kit. I am purchasing this kit with tubular manifolds instead of the standard log ones. This is the best option as far as boosting your cyclone. it has the fastest spool time of any of the kits. O2 sensors are placed in the downpipes. This kit has been tried on two separate cars so far, and both are running fantastically. One is making a safe 520 whp on e85, and the other is making around 450 on 93. The twin turbo kit starts at $5700. I will be rocking a slightly modified version of this kit when I shoot for 800whp on a "street car". I highly recommend you go with this one. If not, the JMP single is a great option as well. Whatever you do, though, I do not recommend going with LPF. I made that mistake many years ago, and I still regret it because i could have put those thousands towards my current build.


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"Many years ago" lol

Good write up. Should be a sticky in my opinion.

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I like how you didn't include any information on the coolest most badasserest kit that JM Performance makes.
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Btw, for the twin turbos

E85 power numbers - 552whp/485tq
93 power numbers - 461whp/407tq
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I like how you didn't include any information on the coolest most badasserest kit that JM Performance makes.
I was referring to kits that are offered to the public lol
I thought yours ended up being a one off type deal.

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I'm honestly not sure. I believe my buddy Joseph is getting his twins bumper mounted on his 5.0. I think if someone wants it, he will do it, but it's not exactly a "production" kit - but not exactly a one off, either, you know?
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I'm honestly not sure. I believe my buddy Joseph is getting his twins bumper mounted on his 5.0. I think if someone wants it, he will do it, but it's not exactly a "production" kit - but not exactly a one off, either, you know?
I gotcha. And Joseph isn't relevant to this discussion. We are talking about turbo kits for the 3 .7.

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Very nicely put, lots of good information.
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Awesome write up and review, also a +1 to getting this stickies for those looking to get into forced induction on the Cyclones with you as the Guinea pig


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Wow...amazing and brutally honest reviews! We need more information like this on here.

I doubt I'll ever be able to afford a kit like this but this is a great thread to refer back to when/if I am able too.

I agree - sticky the hell out of this thread!
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Awesome write up and review, also a +1 to getting this stickies for those looking to get into forced induction on the Cyclones with you as the Guinea pig


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It just really bothered me when people messaged me saying that they wished they had seen my review on their page before purchasing.

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Very nicely put, lots of good information.
Thank you
I wish I knew more about thermodynamics, but that's out of my field of study haha

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Hey alre I tried looking up jmp on google and found a couple of sites, different businesses, could you point us with a link or phone number for contact?


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Excellent information. I also think this needs to be stickied. One thing I didn't see that I believe would be helpful is exhaust options. I'm on mobile currently, so I might've overlooked it.

Obviously, the manifolds replace the traditional headers.

- Is there one downpipe or two?
- Can a x/h pipe be used?
- What configuration of exhaust is used? (Dual, dual to single with y-pipe, or single)
- Can you use an aftermarket exhaust or does it need to be custom fab?
- What diameter exhaust tubing is recommended?

Not trying to negate the information you've posted. Just want to add to it so there's one definitive "go to" source. In my experience with a VG30DETT (300ZX), running 3" from the manifolds back to the muffler (two separate straight pipes) was preferred for higher horsepower TT setups.

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Airfire great write up....glad I didn't buy your ole kit!!😀😀😀😀 But seriously, what exhaust do you run off that turbo? Looks like one down pipe...heard you also have to run bigger exhaust(diameter). So are old mid pipes, axle backs aren't going to fit. Do you have to buy a custom exhaust and how much would you tie up in this? Hey, I know it wasn't fun learning from your mistakes! Thanks for sharing with us!!


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Excellent information. I also think this needs to be stickied. One thing I didn't see that I believe would be helpful is exhaust options. I'm on mobile currently, so I might've overlooked it.

Obviously, the manifolds replace the traditional headers.

- Is there one downpipe or two?
- Can a x/h pipe be used?
- What configuration of exhaust is used? (Dual, dual to single with y-pipe, or single)
- Can you use an aftermarket exhaust or does it need to be custom fab?
- What diameter exhaust tubing is recommended?

Not trying to negate the information you've posted. Just want to add to it so there's one definitive "go to" source. In my experience with a VG30DETT (300ZX), running 3" from the manifolds back to the muffler (two separate straight pipes) was preferred for higher horsepower TT setups.

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Great question!
All the single kits have a single downpipe that does not diverge. You'd have to get a custom midpipe made to connect to your overaxle pipes.

I believe there is an option available for the twin kit, but I am not 100% sure on ho the production one goes.
Maybe Jordan or Eric can comment on that aspect.

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I'm more interested in the single. So does the whole exhaust all the way back have to be a bigger diameter?


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I'm more interested in the single. So does the whole exhaust all the way back have to be a bigger diameter?


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You don't have to but increasing the diameter with make more power. I would guess 3 inch would be a good size but not 100% sure.


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You don't have to but increasing the diameter with make more power. I would guess 3 inch would be a good size but not 100% sure.


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he'd probably be fine with some coyote overaxle takeoffs (2.5").

I got some shelby takeoffs for mine (2.75")
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Talked to JMP, they said keeping your existing dual exhaust would be fine. Incidentally they quoted me 7000.00 installed, with tune and ready to roll(single turbo). They would throw in tying your down pipe into existing exhaust.


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Talked to JMP, they said keeping your existing dual exhaust would be fine. Incidentally they quoted me 7000.00 installed, with tune and ready to roll(single turbo). They would throw in tying your down pipe into existing exhaust.


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That's pretty good for a turnkey setup installed and tuned.
The prices I listed were just for the base kits.

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$7k for a turnkey all labor done for a turbo is a holy ****ing ****balls good price.

So what is a stalled automatic sixxer with the JMP and a stock longblock doing these days at the track anyway?
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Good question...gotta be in the 12's


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Lol sixxers do 12s all motor. I was thinking deep into the 11s for a street setup.
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By the way aiefire did you ever get to use the stall speed? Had a 3000 rpm on my Trans Am, it worked pretty slick. Great hole shot, teamed up with a 4.88 gear.


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By the way aiefire did you ever get to use the stall speed? Had a 3000 rpm on my Trans Am, it worked pretty slick. Great hole shot, teamed up with a 4.88 gear.


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I sold it and put a manual in my car haha

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There great for racing...but everyday driving was a bit difficult. The manual is probably your best bet, unless you were going to just drag race . The stall and automatic are really consistent.


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Okay so I'm almost sold on the JMP twin kit. How much HP can the stock 3.7 hold without blowing?

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with a good tune, you'd be safe with 450-500. Jordan has had his twin kit at 460 whp with 93 for a while. I think he swapped to e85 and dyno'd 520 recently, he posted pictures online.




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Yea, for a "Street car" (I really want to do road race though haha)

Don't get me wrong, the auto is great, but it's not what I need/want.

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What all do you think I would need done extra for 600-700whp? I don't wanna run E85 due to one pump in like 30 miles haha

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Okay so I'm almost sold on the JMP twin kit. How much HP can the stock 3.7 hold without blowing?
Like Alrefire stated, 450-500 is probably the safe range. I would seriously consider upgrading your drivetrain before doing that though.

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What all do you think I would need done extra for 600-700whp? I don't wanna run E85 due to one pump in like 30 miles haha
At a bare minimum, new pistons. I'm not sure what the stock compression ratio is, but I'm willing to bet it's higher than ideal due to the motor starting as NA. Someone else here has mentioned the piston rings are a weak point.
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Has anyone with the jmp ran it at the track yet? I know Thor on here said he was about to but really looking forward to seeing the times
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What all do you think I would need done extra for 600-700whp? I don't wanna run E85 due to one pump in like 30 miles haha

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Please refer to the other thread I linked you to. Let's keep this post relevant to the turbo kits.

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