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Old 06-16-2016, 05:01 PM   #1
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Shorty Header Install Weekend !

So American Muscle hooked me up with my BBK ceramic shorty headers. I was initially worried about install time until I saw page one of the instructions.
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Yea, it's really easy.
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LOLOL.

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I still want to meet that guy that can do it in 1 Hour.
Truthfully I don't think you could do it in that time with the motor out of the car
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Or you're like a rally team lol...
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That would be a very fast rally team Volt LOL........
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I have my tools laid out along with a stopwatch, extra tools (in case I throw any), WD40, Valium along with a blank journal and pencil. The last in case I have inspiration to write down notes for the new book, Sailor's Language Expanded.
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Long as you have the right tools it's pretty quick. Putting it back together probably took me 2 hrs.



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Ratchet 3/8"

6" extension

10" extension

3/8" swivel

15mm deep well

17mm deep well (new bolts)

Penetrating Oil

3/4" x 18" Pipe as a cheater bar



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Ratchet 3/8"

4" extension

13" deep well

13" ratcheting wrench (for replacing nuts in header)



10mm socket for removing one bolt to cooling line on passenger side



Optional (to tighten header bolts if they come loose):



Ratchet 1/4"

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Do people really think it's that hard on our 3.7s? Lol. Come on.


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yet another advantage our V6 has.
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id never do it because my mechanical expertise is lacking. lol

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Do people really think it's that hard on our 3.7s? Lol. Come on.


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I totally agree with you. Id rather install ten sets of headers on my 3.7 verses one set on a 4.6 or 5.0. My header install was a breeze.
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I totally agree with you. Id rather install ten sets of headers on my 3.7 verses one set on a 4.6 or 5.0. My header install was a breeze.

My long tube header install took between 1-2 hours on the 3.7. Ever faster when I took them off. This was with the front of the car on jackstands.

Helped my friend do long tubes on his 5.0... Took us 5-6 hours with a lift.


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Are they really that easy? I've thought about doing them but install on AM paged looked a little more than I could do. Is all you need a set of Jack stands and tools?

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Are they really that easy? I've thought about doing them but install on AM paged looked a little more than I could do. Is all you need a set of Jack stands and tools?

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Tools needed on post 8. The hardest part is breaking the midpipe to the manifold bolts. Takes some grunt buts thats it. Pretty straight forward. Go to American muscle website and look at the install guide on the mac long tube headers for the 3.7 customer submitted. Has some details and pics. Pretty much the same install on the shorties with the exception of not having to remove the midpipe.
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I have not done them on this car but it is all simple wrenching....yeah you'll curse sometimes but this is just "righty tighty lefty loosey"
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I was lucky and didn't have to struggle at all with the mid pipe bolts. Cracked them easily and boom we were in business.


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^i was pretty shocked how easy it was when we did yours too.
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Only problem I really had was the cat bolts. After using a cheater bar they popped loose fairly easily. Did the whole job in my driveway in a set of ramps. Drive has a slope so car sat level with tons of room to work underneath.


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So American Muscle hooked me up with my BBK ceramic shorty headers. I was initially worried about install time until I saw page one of the instructions.
Your mod list is getting too long! Now all you need is gears and then you need to take your car to the drag strip for some #'s.
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Your mod list is getting too long! Now all you need is gears and then you need to take your car to the drag strip for some #'s.

Speaking of that... Gotta get my gears installed still (3.55) so I can get rid of these factory 2.73's


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My long tube header install took between 1-2 hours on the 3.7. Ever faster when I took them off. This was with the front of the car on jackstands.

Helped my friend do long tubes on his 5.0... Took us 5-6 hours with a lift.


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...what are you doing this weekend my friend? It's amazing how close Richmond is to Williamsburg...
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So I thought with my car being two years old, I wouldn't have the rusty nuts/need for PB Cleaner overnight soak. I was mistaken. Two hours in and we're at the soak stage. At least I have three chapters of seaman's curses down on paper.
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...what are you doing this weekend my friend? It's amazing how close Richmond is to Williamsburg...

I'm not doing anything 👀


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I may give you a call brother. Was having trouble with car on jack stands getting cat flanges loose. Soaked them and letting set till the morning. Angle is awful. Just occurred to me, it may be time to break out the air wrench.
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Don't break out air tools on those cat bolts. That's the fastest way to strip them. Just get a swivel adapter and stick it on the end of the extensions and put the socket on it. Die and I had zero issues.
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That's where the cheater bar came in for me... That extra 8-10" made a huge difference. Pipe cost less than $4 at menards.


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Don't break out air tools on those cat bolts. That's the fastest way to strip them. Just get a swivel adapter and stick it on the end of the extensions and put the socket on it. Die and I had zero issues.
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That's where the cheater bar came in for me... That extra 8-10" made a huge difference. Pipe cost less than $4 at menards.
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I'd say the fastest way to strip something is using a cheater bar.
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I may give you a call brother. Was having trouble with car on jack stands getting cat flanges loose. Soaked them and letting set till the morning. Angle is awful. Just occurred to me, it may be time to break out the air wrench.

Definitely get a swivel if you aren't already using one. Harbor freight to the rescue! Or Walmart.


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I'd say the fastest way to strip something is using a cheater bar.

18" cheater bar is shorter than you average torque wrench. So... How often do people strip bolts using them?


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Air tools spin much faster, thus the stripping of nut is easier. Now breaking them with a breaker bar and cheater on the end is very easy.
BTW I had a 3 foot pipe as a cheater when I did mine.

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The trick with the cheat bar is just enough pressure to break it loose but not so much you are breaking the bolt, at least that's the general idea. Doesn't always work out but such is life.

To break my stock collector nuts loose, I had a piece of my jack handle slid over a half inch drive, about 18" long. No issues.

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At risk of showing my ignorance, what is a cheater bar?

And after reading this I am def paying someone to install my x pipe and shorties. lol
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At risk of showing my ignorance, what is a cheater bar?

And after reading this I am def paying someone to install my x pipe and shorties. lol

Just a bar that slides on the handle of the socket wrench which works by adding distance from the fulcrum (socket pivoting point) which allows more torque with less energy required. Same reason they had larger steering wheels on cars without power steering... Cause it made it easier to turn them.


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At risk of showing my ignorance, what is a cheater bar?

And after reading this I am def paying someone to install my x pipe and shorties. lol

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