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Old 08-04-2016, 03:15 PM   #1
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I can already see where this thread will be going....


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Okay, so you want to base a stock 5.0 vs a supercharged cyclone?

Okay, supercharged cyclone will put down more power than a stock coyote.. happy?

Not sure where you are trying to go with this thread.
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Dyno chat comparison: gt vs v6 supercharged

^ bringing back the nonsense that was in that why V6 over V8 thread.
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Because it's the truth? I'm trying to end it before it even starts.

I mean, a supercharger on a cyclone with 305 hp, supporting mods and a very good tune, will net over 100 hp which will out dyno the 5.0. But put a tune on the 5.0 and it'll be a different story
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Btw torque is WAY overrated. Dont believe me? Watch the head2head episode of the 350gtr vs the 7l camaro. Virtually same hp but camaro has a TON more torque. The mustang killed it off the line.

So yeah, Ill take the sc v6.

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Turbo Cyclone vs Procharged Cyclone comparison anyone?

5.0 vs 3.7 threads are only going to cause problems again. I'd be happy with either.
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Ok guys point well taken. I was genuinely showing this as an informative thread for people on fence w fi that's all. I will go in hibernation once more and say no more. Excuse me for the raucous.



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Ok guys point well taken. I was genuinely showing this as an informative thread for people on fence w fi that's all. I will go in hibernation once more and say no more. Excuse me for the raucous.



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Btw torque is WAY overrated. Dont believe me? Watch the head2head episode of the 350gtr vs the 7l camaro. Virtually same hp but camaro has a TON more torque. The mustang killed it off the line.

So yeah, Ill take the sc v6.

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See, you say that, but I know better, as does everyone who raced NASA spec Miata or PTD and PTE about ten years ago. My powertrain engineer wrote a white paper, then proceeded to help a gentleman implement it, and broke the class. What was done was that he noted that at the time, NASA was not hugely concerned with what you did to get to the peak power limit, so long as you did not break pounds per power (actually a pretty effective way to keep costs down vs the easily cheated SCCA rulebook, which basically requires custom built super motors). So they put a 1.6 restrictor on a 1.8 with a centrifugal supercharger. It made over 200 ft-lbs down low with a rapid decay, but did not break the peak power allowed (which was something like 140 hp). NASA now has pounds per torque as a result of the staggering level of success that was achieved.
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And yet an extra 100 pounds of torque did nothing for the camaro. Chevy needs to give nasa a call.

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And yet an extra 100 pounds of torque did nothing for the camaro. Chevy needs to give nasa a call.

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The torque difference is more like 50 ft-lbs... And much of that advantage is negated by the 230 lb heavier curb weight of the Chevy.

Don't kid yourself Hawkstang.
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Old 08-05-2016, 01:10 AM   #14
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The pounds per torque is very similar. The pounds per horsepower is not if you compare a 16 Mustang with a 15 Camaro.

Weight hurts, a lot. Also, notice that the tires on the mustang are fairly fresh, while the camaro's are very worn, and knowing press fleet cars, also heat cycled out. Chevrolet is terrible about putting decent tires on press cars (the Z06 got spanked over that one when they sent one to the Lightning Lap at VIR with corded tires).
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Ill have to watch it again but I thought it was 100. But 150 pounds of weight difference aint helping your argument. Not sure where you got 230.

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The torque difference is more like 50 ft-lbs... And much of that advantage is negated by the 230 lb heavier curb weight of the Chevy.

Don't kid yourself Hawkstang.
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gt350r weighs 3781 lbs, zl1 is 4120 lbs so nearly 400 lbs
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Dyno chat comparison: gt vs v6 supercharged

Z/28 is 3820 or 3837.
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Z/28 is 3820 or 3837.
He posted zl1 earlier

EDIT:, sorry he ut 7l lol and is 3820 lbs
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gt350r is specd at 526hp, and 429 lb ft, z28 is 505hp and 481lb, so even then it's 50 ft lb of torque, and is probably a driver's race.
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Then different braking points being the carbon ceramics on the Z and regular on the R. Tires are in the same class in terms of stickiness, with the R having slightly bigger tires in the back. Then how the cars manage body role in corners. Think the R has more aggressive gearing, could be wrong though.
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Yup, recons recon is accurate. Gtr is around 3650 I believe.

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Nope. I said 7l. As in 7 litre

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Edit sorry I didnt see your edit lol

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All the specs i posted were from car and driver. so source may not be accurate. and in that case that 50 lbft difference is eaten up in weight
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Im not buying that 160 lbs kills 50 lbs of torque. Im sticking to it, Ill take hp over torque any day.

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hp is for high end rpms, torque is for lower end. Stop just thinking about cars and think about diesel trucks, 8-900 lb ft of torque to 400hp.

you also have to notice it's two completely different drivers.
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The guy with the mullet should win every time.

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Hmmm but I beat those trucks off the line all the time.

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Z/28 is 3820 or 3837.
Having actually put one on a set of scales to corner balance it, the Z28 is like the GTR in that the manufacturer and the magazines are giving you misleading numbers. Both cars are over 4000 lbs in drivable form. The GT350R, however is pretty much spot on what ford says.
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Hmmm but I beat those trucks off the line all the time.

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They weight from 5800-7000 lbs. Yours is a v6 right? I'll grab my 07 cummins and beat you off the line if you'd like. I bet you're racing people that don't even know you're trying to race.
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Ill have to watch it again but I thought it was 100. But 150 pounds of weight difference aint helping your argument. Not sure where you got 230.

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I got the specs from this article.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...mustang/#specs

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Looking forward to what the alpha platform Z/28 can do. Besides crashing in the wall at the Nürenburger.
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So blame the car for crashing and not the driver? lol
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