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Old 12-14-2016, 08:00 PM   #1
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Hey everyone I was recently driving a 4 cyl Altima down back wood roads and the handling was absolutely great. It was amazing taking turns at basically any speed I wanted and the steering was so much harder yet the suspension floated softly over bumps. Left me wishing my car handled like that. Now I realize the Altima is fwd but is there any way to get a mustang to drive like one of these cars. Not sure how many people have actually driven one so don't know if anyone can relate. Btw the car basically had the same tires as my car 215s except they were 16 inch rims and mine are 17 if that makes a difference.
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Better handling

i will trade you an older (they handle the best) 4-cylinder Altima for your junky old gas-guzzling American heap.
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Yep. Trade in your base model Mustang for an Altima, problem fixed
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X3. Buy an Altima if you want your car to handle like an Altima.
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I've never once heard someone say they wished their mustang handled like an Altima. but x4. buy an Altima.
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Buy Altima, buy a set of torches, cut and paste Mustang body on Altima chassis. WALA!
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Just don't try and keep up to my Mustang with your 4 Cylinder Altima in the Mountains around here. Tail of the Dragon and had peaks of 1.19gs to the right and 1.21gs to the left with steady 1.0 g pulls to both sides on STOCK Suspension
BTW Tires, wheels, shocks and struts better sway bars things like that will help your cornering.
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Well in terms of straight line mustang would destroy it everyday and possibly would win a track race against the 4 cyl but against the 6 with close horsepower i think it would be close. And guys although I'm using an Altima you guys really should get behind the wheel of a new one. Let's not forget that the 2013 and up cars are inspired by the super car series race car Altima. So while it might be funny to compare handling to a foreign (not anymore they are building cars here now) sedan it actually handles extremely well and I think is made to go around a track. Let's not forget Nissan also has the gt-r. If you guys ever get a chance to rent a car or something check it out and you'll see what I mean.
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That's like comparing apples to oranges.
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The only difference you're feeling is weight. Assuming base model, the Altima is like 3,100 lbs. That's 400 lbs less than a v6 mustang give or take, so i guess step number 1 is pull 400 lbs out.
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Great point voltwings I confirmed what you said and it does weigh less which would probably equate to less weight shifting around meaning less body roll which I think is what I felt. I felt a lot more confident taking the turns at speed because my car would have had a lot more body roll. Not only that but the Altima is also lower so lowering springs I think may also help. But thanks voltwing now I'm one step closer to knowing how to make the car handle better which was the point of the thread. Also does anybody know if the premium rims are supposed to come from factory with the 215 tires it seems a little small considering that's what the base cars get and I would have assumed the premium rims would have come with something like 235 and not 215 Michelin energy savers.
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Hey everyone I was recently driving a 4 cyl Altima down back wood roads and the handling was absolutely great. It was amazing taking turns at basically any speed I wanted and the steering was so much harder yet the suspension floated softly over bumps. Left me wishing my car handled like that. Now I realize the Altima is fwd but is there any way to get a mustang to drive like one of these cars. Not sure how many people have actually driven one so don't know if anyone can relate. Btw the car basically had the same tires as my car 215s except they were 16 inch rims and mine are 17 if that makes a difference.
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^^ Yeah I know. RubyRed, It doesn't take much to improve the handling on your horse. Just getting rid of those pizza cutter tires will make a huge improvement. A panhard bar, some shocks and struts and you wont believe it's the same car.
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Great point voltwings I confirmed what you said and it does weigh less which would probably equate to less weight shifting around meaning less body roll which I think is what I felt. I felt a lot more confident taking the turns at speed because my car would have had a lot more body roll. Not only that but the Altima is also lower so lowering springs I think may also help. But thanks voltwing now I'm one step closer to knowing how to make the car handle better which was the point of the thread. Also does anybody know if the premium rims are supposed to come from factory with the 215 tires it seems a little small considering that's what the base cars get and I would have assumed the premium rims would have come with something like 235 and not 215 Michelin energy savers.

Premiums came with 8 inch wide 18 inch wheels with 235/50-18 tires. If you go through the trouble of buying new wheels, go with 8 1/2 inch wide aftermarket wheels. This is so you can run 255 wide tires. I'm running 255 (255/45-18) tires on my 8 inch wheels and I can feel 'tire roll' when I do hard turns. The tires are a little too wide for a 8 inch wheel, I will be going back the factory 235 tires when the 255's wear out.
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Realistically, for handling, a 255 should go on a 9 or 9.5" wheel. You want tread width to equal rim width, or be 1/2" narrower. A 255 is right about 9" wide.
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Realistically, for handling, a 255 should go on a 9 or 9.5" wheel. You want tread width to equal rim width, or be 1/2" narrower. A 255 is right about 9" wide.
Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't a 255 fit okay on a 8.5 inch wheel

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my 2012 perf pack came with 255 on a 8.5. For my two lane blacktop the handling is fine. Note: these are NOT track speeds just hooning speed
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Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't a 255 fit okay on a 8.5 inch wheel

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Yeah. 255 fits 8.5

I'm running 255/35R20 on my 20x8.5
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my 2012 perf pack came with 255 on a 8.5. For my two lane blacktop the handling is fine. Note: these are NOT track speeds just hooning speed
Same as my 13, now I have 275/40 19 on a 9 inch wheel. I have also done a steady 1g on a skid pad with the setup I have now.
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Realistically, for handling, a 255 should go on a 9 or 9.5" wheel. You want tread width to equal rim width, or be 1/2" narrower. A 255 is right about 9" wide.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't a 255 fit okay on a 8.5 inch wheel

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Yes, it will fit. Like i said though, my comment is in regards to handling. See below.

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Same as my 13, now I have 275/40 19 on a 9 inch wheel. I have also done a steady 1g on a skid pad with the setup I have now.
For best handling a 275 goes on a 10" or even 10.5" rim lol. The slight... and i hate to use this word, "stretch" stabilizes the sidewall and makes for better turn in and response.

Take this tire in 275/35/19 for example:

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You'll see the tread width is 10.2". Kinda falls in a goofy spot. If you round up it could do well on a 10.5" rim, but if you round down it could go on a 9.5" rim. Just depends on how much sidewall preload / contact patch you're interested in.
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Thx everyone for the advice i think I'll just do some suspension mods and see if I can get better handling. So I see that David mentioned that the premium rims were 18. My car is definetly the premium since it has the leather my color and the display in the dash. Anybody else have the 17s or were my rims just possibly swapped before I bought the car.

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Thx everyone for the advice i think I'll just do some suspension mods and see if I can get better handling. So I see that David mentioned that the premium rims were 18. My car is definetly the premium since it has the leather my color and the display in the dash. Anybody else have the 17s or were my rims just possibly swapped before I bought the car.

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I got this pic off google that's what my rims look like.
The 18's came on a Pony Package or Mustang Club of America Package only, the premium came with a better looking 17 inch wheel.
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Our car is a 14 premium and it came stock with the same wheels I see you have in your profile also 17's and 215's. We went with 18X9 with 255/45's and it made a huge difference in handling. Next thing we did was an adjustable panhard bar to get the rear end centered under the car. Small change but noticeable. Next will be shocks and struts.
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OK. I have the Premium Package and the Pony Package and I get what came with what mixed up . The 8 inch wide 18 wheels come on the Pony Package
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Thx everyone for the advice i think I'll just do some suspension mods and see if I can get better handling. So I see that David mentioned that the premium rims were 18. My car is definetly the premium since it has the leather my color and the display in the dash. Anybody else have the 17s or were my rims just possibly swapped before I bought the car.

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Well getting back in the Altima I can tell the suspension really isn't a super great suspension don't get me wrong it's still great but I feel that it's me that needs to change my driving and I've been trying to get the mustang suspension down I have learned how to drive the car better I just have to learn the limits of the car and improve from there
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Since we're on this rim and tire talk I noticed a lot of you have run 18's can I know why you guys chose to do that. Personally when I was first looking for tires and rims I wanted 20s with 305 tires of course now I'm a bit more performance oriented and am looking to get 19's with 275 in the rear and 255 in the front. I know 18's will be wider but I like the look of 19's. Just wanted y'alls thoughts on why you went with 18's and what you guys think about the handling I would get with the setup I mentioned I wanted to get for my car.
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Since we're on this rim and tire talk I noticed a lot of you have run 18's can I know why you guys chose to do that. Personally when I was first looking for tires and rims I wanted 20s with 305 tires of course now I'm a bit more performance oriented and am looking to get 19's with 275 in the rear and 255 in the front. I know 18's will be wider but I like the look of 19's. Just wanted y'alls thoughts on why you went with 18's and what you guys think about the handling I would get with the setup I mentioned I wanted to get for my car.
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Since we're on this rim and tire talk I noticed a lot of you have run 18's can I know why you guys chose to do that. Personally when I was first looking for tires and rims I wanted 20s with 305 tires of course now I'm a bit more performance oriented and am looking to get 19's with 275 in the rear and 255 in the front. I know 18's will be wider but I like the look of 19's. Just wanted y'alls thoughts on why you went with 18's and what you guys think about the handling I would get with the setup I mentioned I wanted to get for my car.
18s are cheaper (tires) and lighter is what it comes down to. Also, dont get a staggered set up, for handling, you want square. Get the 18 x 10 SVE drifts from LMR front and rear.

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18s are cheaper (tires) and lighter is what it comes down to. Also, dont get a staggered set up, for handling, you want square. Get the 18 x 10 SVE drifts from LMR front and rear.

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Could you run a 20X10 on the front? Of a lowered stang?

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Since we're on this rim and tire talk I noticed a lot of you have run 18's can I know why you guys chose to do that. Personally when I was first looking for tires and rims I wanted 20s with 305 tires of course now I'm a bit more performance oriented and am looking to get 19's with 275 in the rear and 255 in the front. I know 18's will be wider but I like the look of 19's. Just wanted y'alls thoughts on why you went with 18's and what you guys think about the handling I would get with the setup I mentioned I wanted to get for my car.
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That will depend on a lot of things, but i will answer with as much information as i can. I cannot however, simply say "yes," or "no."

1. Height. Keep in mind that an 18" rim and a 20" rim will (can) take up the same amount of vertical space depending on what tire you put on there. For example, i usually ran 27" tires, so that would be like a 285/40/18 OR a 255/35/20. Both tires are 27" tall, so that will need to be taken into account when factoring fender clearance for example. It will also, of course, depend on how much you are lowered.

2. Width. As you can see, there will be a very big horizontal distance between a 285 and a 255. For this reason, some people may say, a 20" will fit on the front, and some may not, it just depends on how wide. As far as 20 x 10, that goes one step further, because it will depend on what specific tire you are running. Some tires run wide, some run narrow... It will also depend on what tread width you are going with when considering the sidewall; will it have a slight stretch, will it be squared... That will come into play when factoring strut and fender clearance as well.

3. It will depend on the offset and back spacing of the particular rim as far as clearing the fender, the strut, the wheel well... This will also depend heavily on your alignment. So will it fit? I have no idea, but can it fit? More than likely, again, with the appropriate alignment, offset, etc... Unfortunately i don't have that information for you, because i have always been a bit function > form myself, so i ran the 18 x 10s with only a 1" drop. Contrary to popular belief, slamming a car does not make it handle better.
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I really like the Mustang on 255/40/19s.

Handles waaaaay better than the 215/65/17s, plus the overall diameter is almost an inch shorter. So in effect it changed gear ratio favorably.


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I really like the Mustang on 255/40/19s.

Handles waaaaay better than the 215/65/17s, plus the overall diameter is almost an inch shorter. So in effect it changed gear ratio favorably.


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