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Old 10-20-2017, 02:16 PM   #1
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3.7 GT500 supercharger kit...

These people are working on a roots SC kit for the 3.7 using the GT500 blower.

Still got lot of work to do, especially the tuning part but I give kudos to the Morata Racing team for working on this long waited alternative to procharger/turbos.

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That's pretty cool. Very interesting to see what a PD blower can do on a cyclone.


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Looks cool for sure. Interested in torque numbers.
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I'll be honest, it looked good at first. After talking to a few people and digging more into it, it doesn't sound promising. We'll have to wait and see.
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Too much parasitic loss for a cyclone?
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the link is broken for me. what channel is it maybe and or the video name
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I'll be honest, it looked good at first. After talking to a few people and digging more into it, it doesn't sound promising. We'll have to wait and see.
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Too much parasitic loss for a cyclone?
Has nothing to do with drag, it's the shape of the motor. For reasons i wont bother getting into, v8s are wider than v6s in the valley, which allows the super charger to sit down in the valley. If you look here, the super charger is almost sitting on top of the engine... it's the reason no PD blower has been made for the 3.7 yet, they simply dont fit.

Even if it can be made to fit, it wont clear the stock hood, and at the end of the day you're really not going to be putting up power numbers any better than a turbo which is 100x easier. Now, driveability and power band are another discussion altogether, but i dont know that the performance is there to be worth the effort.
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A cowl hood or a scoop could fix that, more concerned about numbers...if the numbers are there we'll make it fit
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A cowl hood or a scoop could fix that, more concerned about numbers...if the numbers are there we'll make it fit
Track #'s is what I want to see. Not so much dyno #'s

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Has nothing to do with drag, it's the shape of the motor. For reasons i wont bother getting into, v8s are wider than v6s in the valley, which allows the super charger to sit down in the valley. If you look here, the super charger is almost sitting on top of the engine... it's the reason no PD blower has been made for the 3.7 yet, they simply dont fit.

Even if it can be made to fit, it wont clear the stock hood, and at the end of the day you're really not going to be putting up power numbers any better than a turbo which is 100x easier. Now, driveability and power band are another discussion altogether, but i dont know that the performance is there to be worth the effort.
The reason there is no room in the valley of a Cyclone is simple. It is a 60 degree V instead of the Coyote's 90 degree. That makes Cyclones narrower so they would fit better transversely in the FWD vehicle the block was originally designed for. It also means no real valley between the banks so the SC sits too high to clear the hood. Procharger's fit just fine though. Being narrower also makes headers a cinch compared to a Coyote.
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The reason there is no room in the valley of a Cyclone is simple. It is a 60 degree V instead of the Coyote's 90 degree. That makes Cyclones narrower so they would fit better transversely in the FWD vehicle the block was originally designed for. It also means no real valley between the banks so the SC sits too high to clear the hood. Procharger's fit just fine though. Being narrower also makes headers a cinch compared to a Coyote.
Its not fwd vs rwd, its engine balancing.

720 (2 crankshaft rotations) / cylinders = degrees between firing, so 720 / 8 = 90*. V6s would balance at 120*, but that wouldn't exactly package very well (in any application), so everyone halves it again to 60*. You'll find the occasional 90* v6 like the old 4.0, but typically that's just a bastard v8 with 2 cylinders cut off.
Having the physical engine architecture built around the firing degrees means you can have a counterweight oppose piston movement as it approaches TDC and BDC and balance the motor.
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I was offered to be one of the first to get this kit at a discount per Morana Racing. Hopefully all goes through, I will be blasting it down the 1/4 mile shortly after it's availble. MT82 car. Was able to hit 13.0 @ 106.6 on motor maybe i can dig this thing into the lows 12s high 11's
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That's great news Tim, looking forward to see your vids....
Hope MPT will be able to tune it...
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That's great news Tim, looking forward to see your vids....
Hope MPT will be able to tune it...
If they even will, from what I heard they said it's going to be almost impossible to tune for. If that's the case i may be SOL, or am going to have to get it dyno tuned locallly, which im not looking forward to.
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While i am all for email street tunes, in 99.99% of the applications they've seen the setup before and have a decent base file to work from (call it a canned tune if you want). In this case it would be a 100% new file, and personally i would not want to tune something like that remotely.
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That's great news Tim, looking forward to see your vids....
Hope MPT will be able to tune it...
If they even will, from what I heard they said it's going to be almost impossible to tune for. If that's the case i may be SOL, or am going to have to get it dyno tuned locallly, which im not looking forward to.
Maybe they just need to get their hands on one and work it out on their dyno...are you ready for a trip to FL? xD
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While i am all for email street tunes, in 99.99% of the applications they've seen the setup before and have a decent base file to work from (call it a canned tune if you want). In this case it would be a 100% new file, and personally i would not want to tune something like that remotely.
I've read alot of your posts Voltwings, and you are accurate in every one of them. This one as well. No experience = not gonna be easy. I do have a few local performance shops that may be able to tackle this. We shall see. Not looking forward to making it fit though, i already went through putting a Cervini cowl on my last one, who knows how this one is going to clear or what I'll need to do to make it fit.
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While i want to see this work, because it certainly would be cool, i'm not holding my breath. Prove me wrong.
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There is always the mod where the user sells the whole car and takes that money plus the money this kit would probably cost and upgrades by 2 cylinders...
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exactly why i stayed off forums and will continue to do so.. retarded "your missing 2 cylinders" comments. What so great about a 5.0 ? I enjoyed mine but the 3.7 turns more heads and is more appreciated when it beats other cars. Nobody cares if you have a 5.0.
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He does have a valid point considering the investment. Obviously no one is dissing the 3.7, as it does punch above its weight, BUT when considering the investment involved in boosting one it does put you in 5.0 territory.
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There is always the mod where the user sells the whole car and takes that money plus the money this kit would probably cost and upgrades by 2 cylinders...
You opened a can of worms but its true: its an option trading for a GT however I like my car, enjoy modding it and believe it or not I like how it sounds with my current setup.
Even if I traded it in I would still be thinking of the next mod and "wasting" more money so at the end getting a GT would make me spend even more money than SC my 3.7
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You opened a can of worms but its true: its an option trading for a GT however I like my car, enjoy modding it and believe it or not I like how it sounds with my current setup.
Even if I traded it in I would still be thinking of the next mod and "wasting" more money so at the end getting a GT would make me spend even more money than SC my 3.7
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There is no way I'm buying a Coyote and leaving it stock.
Guaranteed within in a year I'm dropping at least a couple of grand on wheels, tunes, axelbacks blah blah blah.

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exactly why i stayed off forums and will continue to do so.. retarded "your missing 2 cylinders" comments. What so great about a 5.0 ? I enjoyed mine but the 3.7 turns more heads and is more appreciated when it beats other cars. Nobody cares if you have a 5.0.
Lmao, if you think someone doesn't care that you have a 5.0 but DO have a modded 3.7...

What's so great about the 5.0? Low 11s all motor with exhaust and pretty basic suspension that you can comfortably daily drive.

You do you tho.
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exactly why i stayed off forums and will continue to do so.. retarded "your missing 2 cylinders" comments. What so great about a 5.0 ? I enjoyed mine but the 3.7 turns more heads and is more appreciated when it beats other cars. Nobody cares if you have a 5.0.
Lmao, if you think someone doesn't care that you have a 5.0 but DO have a modded 3.7...

What's so great about the 5.0? Low 11s all motor with exhaust and pretty basic suspension that you can comfortably daily drive.

You do you tho.
Nobody is arguing the greater potential of a larger displacement platform.
But the cyclone is a nice and stout engine that with 8psi boost and a good tune gets in same league of a na coyote. Just spending 5/6k. And you can comfortably daily drive it too
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Im not honestly sold on this setup. But im curiously watching its development.
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Im all about options but it will be interesting to see what clearance will be like, definitely will need a different hood. Will be interesting to see if you can get away with a 2" hood like the Cobra r or you'll need to go 4" cowl hood to clear.
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For me before I even consider hood clearance Im curious to see if the setup works without some of the technical issues some are expecting. Id honestly love a screw type supercharger though.
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