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Old 11-30-2017, 05:15 PM   #1
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Red Ryder getting new shoes

Ordered four Michelin 235/50 18 PILOT HXMXN4 tires for my 2012 MCA today.
I sure need them, My original P Zero Nero's are really loud and worn out.
Anybody using these tires, Let me know if you like them ---OR NOT---
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They are for a touring tire, had a set on a Mazda6, not a performance tire though.
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After wearing out two sets of P Zero Neros on my '13 (about 14K each) I switched to BFG g-Force COMP-2 A/S -235/50ZR18s. Wet/dry performance and cornering was very much improved.

Was so impressed I mounted this same tire on a wider after market rim on my brand new '17, these are 255/45ZR18s and with less than 100 miles on them I expect they'll perform the same.

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After wearing out two sets of P Zero Neros on my '13 (about 14K each) I switched to BFG g-Force COMP-2 A/S -235/50ZR18s. Wet/dry performance and cornering was very much improved.

Was so impressed I mounted this same tire on a wider after market rim on my brand new '17, these are 255/45ZR18s and with less than 100 miles on them I expect they'll perform the same.

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I’ve had the BFGs as well on my ‘13 for just over a year and still feel these have been the best tires I’ve ever owned. Likewise recommended
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its crazy how i always see people talking smack about the pzero nero tires, but the 19s i got with my new rims are SO much better than the BFGs i had on there stock. like, it's ridiculous how much more planted the car is on these new tires and it hardly fishtails like the bfg's did
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its crazy how i always see people talking smack about the pzero nero tires, but the 19s i got with my new rims are SO much better than the BFGs i had on there stock. like, it's ridiculous how much more planted the car is on these new tires and it hardly fishtails like the bfg's did
I found them fine in the dry and even light snow until they got down to about 6/32. I wish I could say the same about rain though, they have been the 2nd worst tires I've ever owned in wet weather driving, only Goodyear rsa's were worse.
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I don't race at all anymore so I want a nice quite smooth tire. From the checking I did, The Michelin PILOT HXMXN4 tires seem to fill the bill for what I want.
mariusvt once had them on his Mazda so maybe he can fill me in on how they were.
I live in Florida and have a strict rule "NOT" to ever cross the northern state line in the winter so snow is never a problem for me.
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its crazy how i always see people talking smack about the pzero nero tires, but the 19s i got with my new rims are SO much better than the BFGs i had on there stock. like, it's ridiculous how much more planted the car is on these new tires and it hardly fishtails like the bfg's did
I didn’t see anyone talking smack about the Pzero Nero’s in this thread. Also, the BFG G-Force COMP-2 A/S Tires couldn’t have been stock on your car as they weren’t produced by BFG until late 2015, and your ride is a 2014. Again, not talking smack here, just sayin’
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The original P-Zero tires that came on my Mustang were great as long as it was dry, They were horrible in a heavy rain due to severe hydroplaning.
They wore very even through the 32,000 miles they lasted.
************************************BUT*******************************************
The tire noise from day 365 or so has been terrible, They were OK the first year or so but the more miles I put on them, The worse they got.
I'm going for the Michelin's and from what I have been reading and hearing is that they are smooth and quiet and last around 60 or 70 thousand miles if rotated.
Expensive but I hope worth it.
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Agree with you Ronnie 100% on the P-Zeros.

That was my exact take on them. They came with the car so no great loss.
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I found them fine in the dry and even light snow until they got down to about 6/32. I wish I could say the same about rain though, they have been the 2nd worst tires I've ever owned in wet weather driving, only Goodyear rsa's were worse.
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I didn’t see anyone talking smack about the Pzero Nero’s in this thread. Also, the BFG G-Force COMP-2 A/S Tires couldn’t have been stock on your car as they weren’t produced by BFG until late 2015, and your ride is a 2014. Again, not talking smack here, just sayin’
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The original P-Zero tires that came on my Mustang were great as long as it was dry, They were horrible in a heavy rain due to severe hydroplaning.
They wore very even through the 32,000 miles they lasted.
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The tire noise from day 365 or so has been terrible, They were OK the first year or so but the more miles I put on them, The worse they got.
I'm going for the Michelin's and from what I have been reading and hearing is that they are smooth and quiet and last around 60 or 70 thousand miles if rotated.
Expensive but I hope worth it.
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the bfg's i'm tlaking are the stock radials on the 17 inch rims...not anything special. they were trash.

and you're all saying the pzeros are bad in the rain? that's what i meant when i say i'm more planted...this thing doesn't fishtail at all in the rain like the BFG's did. i have a **** ton more traction with the pzeros than i ever did with the BFG's. it doesn't hydroplane and the rear doesn't kick out at all with the pzeros.

btw talking trash, i meant in the forum in general, not this thread. some people voiced their disdain for these when i was asking about new rims, but i got them, and i'm much happier with these than i was wtih the bfg's
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the bfg's i'm tlaking are the stock radials on the 17 inch rims...not anything special. they were trash.

and you're all saying the pzeros are bad in the rain? that's what i meant when i say i'm more planted...this thing doesn't fishtail at all in the rain like the BFG's did. i have a **** ton more traction with the pzeros than i ever did with the BFG's. it doesn't hydroplane and the rear doesn't kick out at all with the pzeros.

btw talking trash, i meant in the forum in general, not this thread. some people voiced their disdain for these when i was asking about new rims, but i got them, and i'm much happier with these than i was wtih the bfg's
Yes, the p zeros have been absolute trash in the rain for me, wanting to skate all over. They were better in the snow than the rain amusingly enough.

As for the Michelins Ronnie, they were the OEM tires on the Mazda. I was happy with them for what they were, a touring tire that will run smooth and quiet. They were fine in rain and passable in snow. They will definitely break traction sooner than the p zeros in the dry behind the 300+ hp of the mustang but if you know the limits you can drive around them.
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The original P-Zero tires that came on my Mustang were great as long as it was dry, They were horrible in a heavy rain due to severe hydroplaning.
They wore very even through the 32,000 miles they lasted.
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The tire noise from day 365 or so has been terrible, They were OK the first year or so but the more miles I put on them, The worse they got.
I'm going for the Michelin's and from what I have been reading and hearing is that they are smooth and quiet and last around 60 or 70 thousand miles if rotated.
Expensive but I hope worth it.
Ronnie
Can confirm, They are perfectly fine on dry roads (besides NOISE), however, I can feel the car fishtailing sometimes when I go over water puddles doing 45 ( NorCal sized potholes). I switched out that set of stock P Zeros after 17k mil after went into a severe hydroplane on the freeway-Late at night, Heavy rain, doing 55 on a slight but bumpy curve, I still felt so lucky that I didn't crash into anything even to this day, that was when there are about 10/32 tread left.
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I'm running Toyo Extenza tires and the ride is great no problems in any weather. Also quiet.
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My 235/50-18 PZero all seasons were dangerous at 15,000 miles and replaced at 19,000 miles, worn past the wear bars . Nothing like getting new tires. Ronnie, I remember in 1970 as a Junior in High School being able to buy a couple of 're-caps' for the front of my VW Bug . I got to watch the guy re-cap my tires from start to finish. To this very day I buy my 'New Tires' from the same person
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They are installed and Red Ryder sure is quiet and happy now.
SO AM I
I just sent in the $70.00 rebate.
They sure are silent and the steering is really responsive. The P-Zeros were worn down way past the wear bars and getting really thin. Larry the tire guy said I was lucky I did not run over a sharp stick .
I do travel fast on the interstates but don't drag race or see how fast I can corner anymore so I think these will be just fine for the way I drive.
Even if they are not the best tires in the rain, They sure can't be as dangerous as those P=Zero's were.
I did get a three year no mileage replacement warranty through negation which means if I have an unrepairable cut or hole close to the sidewall that can't be patched, I get a free replacement tire.
I hope I never have to use it,
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jesus, if these pzeros are as bad as you all are saying, why are they stock on so many cars? like especially after the ol explorer tire blowouts back in the 90's. why are they wearing so easily?
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jayochs asks this:
[QUOTE if these pzeros are as bad as you all are saying, why are they stock on so many cars?][/QUOTE]

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[/COLOR]jayochs asks this:
[QUOTE if these pzeros are as bad as you all are saying, why are they stock on so many cars?][/QUOTE]
The answer seems to be $$$$$$$$$$,
Company's spend big bucks to get their products in front of the citizens. Using a product on a new car is one way to do it.
Goodyear used to provide crap tires on a lot of new cars at one time and they were crap too.
Only time and miles will tell if I bought crap tires.
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