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Old 06-02-2011, 09:47 AM   #106
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No sarcasm intended . I made a 'factual statement'-based on my actual experience(s). I have owned two Terminator Cobras. And despite the fact that I reference the `03, and `04 cars-as having 4 valve motors-for no real reason , those of us driving the 5.0, and contributing to this forum-also know that our 5.0s are 4 valvers , as well, Texastboneking.
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Different heads, cams, pistons, and rods, but yeah its the same displacement so I guess it's almost the same thing lol.
yeah almost. not to many ppl have done this conversion so its hard for me to guesstimate what will happen
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No sarcasm intended . I made a 'factual statement'-based on my actual experience(s). I have owned two Terminator Cobras. And despite the fact that I reference the `03, and `04 cars-as having 4 valve motors-for no real reason , those of us driving the 5.0, and contributing to this forum-also know that our 5.0s are 4 valvers , as well, Texastboneking.
lol ok. just making sure. not too many ppl know the new engine
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lol ok. just making sure. not too many ppl know the new engine
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i know a few ppl that thought it was the same design as the old 5.0
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You can't build a GT to outperform a Boss for $10,000

A built shortblock is around $5,000+$1,500 for installation.
A clutch to hold the power is $600-$1,200
Adjustable shocks $600-$1,500
Forged wheels $800-$2,000
Boss heads $3,000
Boss intake $550
Differential $500
Total on the low side is around $11,000 not counting any shipping or labor/installation charges. You don't seem like the kind of guy that knows much about cars so I'm sure you would have to pay a shop for the install which will run about $5,000 for all you would need done.
"A built shortblock is around $5,000+$1,500 for installation."

"Total on the low side is around $11,000 not counting any shipping or labor/installation charges." actually you did include installation for so it would be 9,500..not including any of the shipping labor/installation charges.
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"A built shortblock is around $5,000+$1,500 for installation."

"Total on the low side is around $11,000 not counting any shipping or labor/installation charges." actually you did include installation for so it would be 9,500..not including any of the shipping labor/installation charges.
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i know a few ppl that thought it was the same design as the old 5.0
You reckon that they're members, here?

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A gt500 is faster then a Boss point blank.

Fastest time for a boss with tire change is 11.7 1/4 mile

Gt500 went 11.1 with tires change.

For the ones that said the Boss has a different tranny it don't then the 5.0. The fascia is the same as the CS. Wing the same as the 5.0. Track key programming isn't even out yet. The areo is same as well. The cars body is the same except for some stickers and rims. Oh both come with Perelli tires as well. Also 19s are available for the 5.0 as well. And they are light weight. The suspension on the base boss really isnt that much better then a 5.0. The biggest advantage of the boss is its forged internals and small changes to the engine like CNC heads, Intake, and different intake cams.

Boss is a great car. The 5.0 start around 28k. The Boss around 40k. With the mark ups of the boss a base is going for 50k and some LS have gone for 90k. With that price difference you will never out run a GT dollar for dollar.

Buying which ever car has its advantages and disadvantages. The Boss will hold its resale value better. But only if you leave it stock. Start modding and it loses it's value.
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A gt500 is faster then a Boss point blank.

Fastest time for a boss with tire change is 11.7 1/4 mile

Gt500 went 11.1 with tires change.

For the ones that said the Boss has a different tranny it don't then the 5.0. The fascia is the same as the CS. Wing the same as the 5.0. Track key programming isn't even out yet. The areo is same as well. The cars body is the same except for some stickers and rims. Oh both come with Perelli tires as well. Also 19s are available for the 5.0 as well. And they are light weight. The suspension on the base boss really isnt that much better then a 5.0. The biggest advantage of the boss is its forged internals and small changes to the engine like CNC heads, Intake, and different intake cams.

Boss is a great car. The 5.0 start around 28k. The Boss around 40k. With the mark ups of the boss a base is going for 50k and some LS have gone for 90k. With that price difference you will never out run a GT dollar for dollar.

Buying which ever car has its advantages and disadvantages. The Boss will hold its resale value better. But only if you leave it stock. Start modding and it loses it's value.
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The one at my dealer sold for 20k over list. Bought my GT premium vert through USAA and saved a lot, just enough to throw a blower and bigger wheels. Go 5.0, easy to get that thing tearing up Boss and GT 500. Why do you think they are using the 5.0 in the GT 350
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I was looking at 2011 GT Mustangs when they first came out and couldn't find one with the options I wanted at a price I could swing. A dealer contacted me and told me they had an 07 427R Roush, owned by their service manager, that was low miles and for sale, at the price I was interested in.

I knew a little about Roush vehicles, but not a lot. I researched just what the different Stages were and what a 427R was. I had always been under the impression that most Roush models were all show and little go. I went online, and queried friends, and gained info on this particular model. I thought I knew it inside and out.

Funny thing is, the car turned out to be more than the sum of it's parts.

It's a flashy car, and it gets attention, more than you'd think a 5 year old tuner would get... And when I drive it, I am surprised at just how well the car does everything. If you want to cruise slow and easy, no problem, if you want to road trip, no problem, if you want to road race, no problem, drag race, no problem, car show, no problem....

I have owned two 05 Mustang GT's so I have them to compare it to and so I am talking from experience...

My point is, my 427R is more than a bunch of parts, it's a well balanced package. I think the Boss 302 falls in this category, just as the first Boss 302 did. Right now they are kind of expensive but the price will come down...
Buy a Roush new and its a waste of money. Least i think. You can put a better suspension on it/and more power cheaper.

Not to mention the 3 427R we have all ran slower then me at the track when i was just gears/cold air/tune/x pipe. Ran one on the street also and walked away from it.

I have never been impressed with the Roush cars. But hey thats just me.
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I would not spend or "waste" my money all on Roush stuff either. I bought their blower, because all the TVS are the same. Eaton helped Roush, Roush helped Whipple, yada yada. I like Steeda suspension, so I go for that. Were the 3 Stage 3 4.6 or 5.0? Not too many Stage 3 on the street yet as they just came out, and it is a big difference.
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So I'm seeing that people don't much care for Roush here. What about Saleen?
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Pete, Roush makes great stuff. They work very closely with Ford. I would not trade my r2300 in for an edelbrock or whipple. That is just me. I like components from other companies too. The Roush that comes from the line in Livonia is just overpriced!
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So I'm seeing that people don't much care for Roush here. What about Saleen?
They have some nice stuff but not worth the it if ask me. Look at new Saleen. Nothing special but a over priced body kit. The hood alone is almost $1300.

If you are buy the car to just change or drag race/track on road course you can't go wrong with a base 5.0. There is better suspension then FRPP/Steeda out there and cheaper. Not to mention better Aftermarket products all around.
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They have some nice stuff but not worth the it if ask me. Look at new Saleen. Nothing special but a over priced body kit. The hood alone is almost $1300.

If you are buy the car to just change or drag race/track on road course you can't go wrong with a base 5.0. There is better suspension then FRPP/Steeda out there and cheaper. Not to mention better Aftermarket products all around.
I thought that too! I understand a huge difference in quantity and quality parts but to base price for a Roush or Saleen is well outside of my price range. I just couldn't justify investing that kind of cash into my DD unless I were having a midlife crisis. For those that have bought the branding I think they will have nothing but great things to say about them. For a guy making well under six digits a year like me, I have to buy stock and try and squeeze out money one part at a time...
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I thought that too! I understand a huge difference in quantity and quality parts but to base price for a Roush or Saleen is well outside of my price range. I just couldn't justify investing that kind of cash into my DD unless I were having a midlife crisis. For those that have bought the branding I think they will have nothing but great things to say about them. For a guy making well under six digits a year like me, I have to buy stock and try and squeeze out money one part at a time...
That to a point. But also if i spend as much as one them I will just buy a GT500. A simple tire swap is low 11s, and None them look as good as a Black on Black GT500..Unless its a grabber blue one...lol
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So I'm seeing that people don't much care for Roush here. What about Saleen?
I like the stage 3.
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I like the stage 3.
Very nice choice.
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Buy a Roush new and its a waste of money. Least i think. You can put a better suspension on it/and more power cheaper.

Not to mention the 3 427R we have all ran slower then me at the track when i was just gears/cold air/tune/x pipe. Ran one on the street also and walked away from it.

I have never been impressed with the Roush cars. But hey thats just me.
I paid $31,000 for mine, add $900 for some 14" Brembo's.... I have less than $32,000 in mine.... You sure seem to hate Roush's, but that's ok, I won't take it personal...
It's kind of funny, Jack Roush was sitting in my car Thursday and he told me I owned a nice car....

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I paid $31,000 for mine, add $900 for some 14" Brembo's.... I have less than $32,000 in mine.... You sure seem to hate Roush's, but that's ok, I won't take it personal...
It's kind of funny, Jack Roush was sitting in my car Thursday and he told me I owned a nice car....

Got fried that got thier car signed my him just the other day also. Cool Stuff!

Paid 32K for it. What it have? Did you buy it new?

Either way new stage 3 roush is 16K on top of price of a new 2012 mustang. Just not worth it. It has 540hp/465tq..SO price of a GT500 you get less power. Some stickers and a new bumpers. That is not counting other options that you can get including upgraded wheels. THese prices was straight from Roush website.
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ROUSH Illuminated Door Sill Plates - $220
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ROUSH Stage 3 Leather Seating - $1,725
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ROUSH Billet Aluminum 6-Speed Shifter Knob with Grips - $110
ROUSH Convertible Light Bar - $910
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ROUSH Rear Quarter Window Louvers - $370
ROUSH Rear Quarter Window Louver Graphics (Matte Black) - $70
ROUSH Lower Billet Grille - $250
ROUSH Engine Coil Covers (Red) - $285
ROUSH 18-Inch Chrome Wheels with Ultra High Performance Cooper RS3 Tires (tire upgrade ONLY) - $304
ROUSH 20-Inch Wheels (Chrome or Hyper Black) with Ultra High Performance Cooper RS3 Tires - $1,115
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ROUSH Sport Brake Package (Red) - $1,450
ROUSH Performance Brake Package - $2,877
ROUSH Competition Brake Package - $3,687
ROUSH Competition Suspension System - $1,875

Also being the 07 was Core Components - $15,599 USD + S&H with other Optional stuff even more. SO you paid 32K for a car that didn't run no faster then a 5.0 which could had got cheaper or same price with options. Which i paid under 30k for.

Also for 32K I know people that have bought 07/08 GT500's. But it is all good as long you are happy with your car.
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I bought my car used. I traded in a fully optioned 05 GT. I bought the 427R last July from a Ford dealer, I learned about it on line when was looking for a 2011 GT. The 427R had 11,000 miles on it and was owned by a Ford Service Manager. It has some of the options, I have never seen an actual build sheet... It has the Roush dash, the short throw shifter, the leather two tone red/black signature seats, the Roush sill plates, it has the 427R floor mats, and of course it has a supercharged Stage 3 engine, and the Stage 2 suspension, and the Roush front bumper/air damn/splitter, the Roush duck tail, Roush off road mufflers, the 427 slash stripes and scoop, Roush 10x18 chrome cast wheels... Probably something I'm missing...

What it has is presence... It gets a lot of attention. I think I have more fun with it than I would a stock GT, but that's just me. I don't ever remember saying mine was the fastest car out there, I've never raced it; it's a close to stock four year old used car....

What I said it was that it is a well rounded package....
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I bought my car used. I traded in a fully optioned 05 GT. I bought the 427R last July from a Ford dealer, I learned about it on line when was looking for a 2011 GT. The 427R had 11,000 miles on it and was owned by a Ford Service Manager. It has some of the options, I have never seen an actual build sheet... It has the Roush dash, the short throw shifter, the leather two tone red/black signature seats, the Roush sill plates, it has the 427R floor mats, and of course it has a supercharged Stage 3 engine, and the Stage 2 suspension, and the Roush front bumper/air damn/splitter, the Roush duck tail, Roush off road mufflers, the 427 slash stripes and scoop, Roush 10x18 chrome cast wheels... Probably something I'm missing...

What it has is presence... It gets a lot of attention. I think I have more fun with it than I would a stock GT, but that's just me. I don't ever remember saying mine was the fastest car out there, I've never raced it; it's a close to stock four year old used car....

What I said it was that it is a well rounded package....
For buying used yes it is a good package. But I don't compare used to my car. I have to compare what it cost me to buy it new as it sits to what i paid and have in mine.

They do get a lot of looks cause most think Roush and expect big things. For me the performance just isn't there for the price. If that makes sense.
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For buying used yes it is a good package. But I don't compare used to my car. I have to compare what it cost me to buy it new as it sits to what i paid and have in mine.

They do get a lot of looks cause most think Roush and expect big things. For me the performance just isn't there for the price. If that makes sense.
Roush aren't cheap, never have been, they depreciate fast, and it can be hard to get genuine Roush parts for them after about 10 years....

The point I was trying to make originally was that the Boss 302 is more than a bunch of random parts, it is a good package because it was well engineered. That is not easy to do on your own, because we don't each have a r&d department at our beck and call...

You tell me I should buy a 07/08 gt 500 but they are actually a slower car than a 07 427R. The early Shelby's lacked suspension mods and were nose heavy and suffered over steer. I have a good friend with one, and he is the one who pointed out his cars short comings. We have three GT500's in our small local Mustang club and none of them have suggested that I drive an "inferior" car.

I didn't mention my car to compare it to a 2012 GT and I am sorry it turned into the topic.

Being a common GT, Your car will depreciate very fast so you would have been better off buying it used, if that makes any sense...
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Roush aren't cheap, never have been, they depreciate fast, and it can be hard to get genuine Roush parts for them after about 10 years....

The point I was trying to make originally was that the Boss 302 is more than a bunch of random parts, it is a good package because it was well engineered. That is not easy to do on your own, because we don't each have a r&d department at our beck and call...

You tell me I should buy a 07/08 gt 500 but they are actually a slower car than a 07 427R. The early Shelby's lacked suspension mods and were nose heavy and suffered over steer. I have a good friend with one, and he is the one who pointed out his cars short comings. We have three GT500's in our small local Mustang club and none of them have suggested that I drive an "inferior" car.

I didn't mention my car to compare it to a 2012 GT and I am sorry it turned into the topic.

Being a common GT, Your car will depreciate very fast so you would have been better off buying it used, if that makes any sense...
I under stand what you are saying.

Yes the boss is engineered very well. Ford did a great job. Now only issue is the retarded mark ups on some of them.

As far as 427R being faster then the GT500. I don't know. My experience has been the other way. But a lot comes down to the driver, track, etc etc.

And yes common GT's depreciate very fast. But when i bought there was non used. So i had no choice to but buy new.

For me it was either a new EVO x or the 5.0. I choose the 5.0 cause the reviews and Ford finally made a bad *** GT. Only other option was a used 07/08 ZO6. But dealer was messing around finding me one.
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Quit whining about stock 427r and Shelbys. Get a good deal on a 5.0 and do the mods yourself. With my regular GT I am at 600 to the wheels so yada yada. Most guys that drive Shelbys let them sit in the garage, same with roush. Depreciation, I do not care about, bc when the next block comes out I will swap it. I do not planning on getting rid of the 2011 GT, the 08 roush, I am trading that in on an edge!
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Quit whining about stock 427r and Shelbys. Get a good deal on a 5.0 and do the mods yourself. With my regular GT I am at 600 to the wheels so yada yada. Most guys that drive Shelbys let them sit in the garage, same with roush. Depreciation, I do not care about, bc when the next block comes out I will swap it. I do not planning on getting rid of the 2011 GT, the 08 roush, I am trading that in on an edge!
It is good to see various opinions out here in regards to options. So it basically comes down to buy the car you want (boss, 5.0, GT500, Roush, Shelby, etc..) and begin your builds. To each their own to determine what to start with and what they are willing to pay for their starter vehicle.
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Re: Boss 302 vs GT 5.0

That is the way i see it Poloka, build what YOU like. I do not liek everything about any of the cars. So I take mine to my builder and dyno tester and just make it how I like it. Shelbys and Boss Mustangs are collectible, but you want to drive it to right? Will they hit the price mark of the original GT500 or Boss, I doubt it.
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BUILT NOT BOUGHT!
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Re: Boss 302 vs GT 5.0

...and then, a very 'lively discussion'...ensued....
As long as you're driving a Mustang, you belong here. It doesn't matter if you bought a "built" car . It doesn't matter if you are a shadetree mechanic and have the time, money, skill set, to do your own installations . It doesn't matter if you don't have any of those things-including the time-and have someone that knows how-do the mods for you. As long as you're driving a Mustang-and in the case of this particular forum, a 2011, or later, 5.0 you are welcome!!!

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Re: Boss 302 vs GT 5.0

Personally, I would prefer to have a GT500...but that's just me. I had the 11 GT vs. GT500 debate......and I ended up buying a 335i LOL

I love them both, but if my bonus is solid enough this fall I may pick up a GT500. I would LOVE to have one......and I know where one is cheap, if he still has it then

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Personally, I would prefer to have a GT500...but that's just me. I had the 11 GT vs. GT500 debate......and I ended up buying a 335i LOL

I love them both, but if my bonus is solid enough this fall I may pick up a GT500. I would LOVE to have one......and I know where one is cheap, if he still has it then

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Nice! What year? I know a guy with a 335 with bolt obs in the high 11a btw
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