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Old 05-29-2011, 10:36 AM   #1
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Boss 302 vs GT 5.0

It is interesting to read up on the new 2012 Boss 302 and how it is supposed to be a better car than the GT 5.0. Stock comparisons yeah it is a better car but is it really worth the $10k more than a 5.0? Seems the performance improvements like stability, intake, lowering springs, and tires does not equate to $10k. Seem like you could easily add aftermarket parts to the 5.0 to level the playing field with the 302 for less $$ and potentially surpass the 302. And who runs their car over 6,500 RPMs to see that HP gain? Seems like a pissing contest to me. Just paying for the name. Now don't get me wrong, if for some reason my 5.0 blows up, I would replace it with the 302 from Ford Racing but that is only an extra $3,500 for the engine and it's mods. Just wondering what other's thoughts are and if the 302 is really worth it.
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I totally agree it's not worth it, I saw one get sold the other day way above market value... I believe it was sold for about 53k, that's just crazy... Its not much better than a GT in my opinion, just a little better
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I wouldn't pay that much for a factory car either. Not worth it IMO. I dont care for the paint the the boss,to me it's ugly.
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So it's not worth it you say?



Not only is it faster than a GT it's faster than a GT500
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So it's not worth it you say?



Not only is it faster than a GT it's faster than a GT500
For the cost difference, you can easily beef up a 5.0 to whip both the boss and gt500 and still save $$ and have a one of a kind 5.0.
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well lets see, you get a different front fascia a splitter, different suspension package as already mentioned, Recaro seats, comes stock with launch control, Pirelli tires, 19inch light weight alloys, different transmission, different engine, road key and track key. Then when you go to the laguna seca edition, the suspension is even better, the aerodynamics have improved more and Laguna Seca's will only be produced in a limited number. Since the MSRP on the boss 302 is 40K and the MSRP on the Laguna Seca is 47,000 either way ur getiing your moneys worth. Because even though a laguna seca will be 47 its resale value will hold more and it will be worth more money in the long run, hell if I wasnt in college, no doubt I would get a Laguna Seca, especially over a GT500, although both cars and the new 5.0's are awesome
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well lets see, you get a different front fascia a splitter, different suspension package as already mentioned, Recaro seats, comes stock with launch control, Pirelli tires, 19inch light weight alloys, different transmission, different engine, road key and track key. Then when you go to the laguna seca edition, the suspension is even better, the aerodynamics have improved more and Laguna Seca's will only be produced in a limited number. Since the MSRP on the boss 302 is 40K and the MSRP on the Laguna Seca is 47,000 either way ur getiing your moneys worth. Because even though a laguna seca will be 47 its resale value will hold more and it will be worth more money in the long run, hell if I wasnt in college, no doubt I would get a Laguna Seca, especially over a GT500, although both cars and the new 5.0's are awesome
Well, it has been proven that yes power to weight does make a difference and that is where the 302 has the advantage over the gt500. It can come out of turns with less roll and quicker acceleration. But all the options you noted equates to $15,000 over the GT. For that cost I can get suspension upgrades to match for around $2k and strap on a 2.3L whipple SC for an additional $8k. Then the tune maybe another $300. Then I'd have something that would knock the socks of both the 302 and gt500. The other stuff on the car is just fluff.
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Re: Boss 302 vs GT 5.0

Yeah I do believe that. I would much rather have a Boss over a GT500
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Well, it has been proven that yes power to weight does make a difference and that is where the 302 has the advantage over the gt500. It can come out of turns with less roll and quicker acceleration. But all the options you noted equates to $15,000 over the GT. For that cost I can get suspension upgrades to match for around $2k and strap on a 2.3L whipple SC for an additional $8k. Then the tune maybe another $300. Then I'd have something that would knock the socks of both the 302 and gt500. The other stuff on the car is just fluff.
True true, but then again u could buy a boss and then super charge it and make it even faster too.
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Very foolish, but since you aren't very knowledgable on the subject and rely on utube videos, it's understandable. Good luck
lol, its funny cuz i wld still prefer a gt500, but in reality i would buy a laguna seca
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lol, its funny cuz i wld still prefer a gt500, but in reality i would buy a laguna seca
But if you think about it with the upgrades and less power, it wouldnt be unresonable to say that a Boss 302 would be a GT500 around a track
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Yeah I do believe that. I would much rather have a Boss over a GT500
So is that what you are gonna use it for when you buy one? Lets get real how many people are gonna buy a boss and turn it into a straight track car? Most are gonna buy them and lock them in the garage or daily drive them.To each his or her own but It wouldnt be my car of choice unless I had a ton of money or was a collector.
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well if i did buy a boss 302 or gt500 at some point I would take it to a track, maybe thats just me tho
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My 500 is a driver and I wouldn't have it any other way. Mustangs are made to be wild not covered up. Hell I didn't even get the cover. LOL
I'll second that. My 5.0 is for driving. But I agree that the 302 is a collectors car. First years are always that. Just wanted people's thoughts on the subject and thanks for the comments. Until someone puts the $$ into making the cars equals like hennessy we will never know. Each car has their strengths based on what you plan to do. All are good starting points to creating the one of a kind muscle car you are proud of. With the intro of the 302 we will see how long it hangs with the 5.0, gt350 and gt500 if possibly replace. We've learned Ford does not remain complacent so looking forward to the next generation but thoroughly enjoying ours. Thanks guys for the comments!
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Very foolish, but since you aren't very knowledgable on the subject and rely on utube videos, it's understandable. Good luck

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If you're gonna drive the ****in thing it goes:

GT500>Boss>GT

If you're gonna collect it for resale:

Boss>gt500>GT

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Very foolish, but since you aren't very knowledgable on the subject and rely on utube videos, it's understandable. Good luck
No need to be a dick. If he wants a Boss over a GT500 why do you care?
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I would pick the boss just cuz it's a boss in 60 years people are going to be so intrigued by the fact that you have owned the legendary boss
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I don't care what he gets. I'm disputing what he thinks is the faster car based on a motor trend utube video. Apparently everyone has to have sunshine blown up their @ss today.
Idk what's faster idc I would chose a boss over any gt any day I have nothing against them but it's a boss the legend is back
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Idk what's faster idc I would chose a boss over any gt any day I have nothing against them but it's a boss the legend is back
That was actually directed at Brent, but I agree the Boss is legendary.
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Don't be a fool. If you believe that, I have a nice bridge up for sale in San Francisco.
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Very foolish, but since you aren't very knowledgable on the subject and rely on utube videos, it's understandable. Good luck
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My 500 is a driver and I wouldn't have it any other way. Mustangs are made to be wild not covered up. Hell I didn't even get the cover. LOL
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I don't care what he gets. I'm disputing what he thinks is the faster car based on a motor trend utube video. Apparently everyone has to have sunshine blown up their @ss today.
At what point did you dispute anything? All I see is condescending posts telling him he is wrong with nothing to back it up.

I don't really care which car is faster or "better' but if you are going to be hostile to someone at least back up your comments.

Posts like these are why we can't have nice discussions/debates on here. Stop being hostile to fellow members just because you think they are wrong. Especially if you don't back up a single statement you make in the thread.
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So it's not worth it you say?



Not only is it faster than a GT it's faster than a GT500
um... i know your arguing with someone else about this right now.. but you are wrong. the shelby gt500 will leave the boss in the dust. your talking about a naturally aspirated 5.0liter making 400hp in the boss vs a 5.4liter supercharged making 550hp in the shelby gt500.
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um... i know your arguing with someone else about this right now.. but you are wrong. the shelby gt500 will leave the boss in the dust. your talking about a naturally aspirated 5.0liter making 400hp in the boss vs a 5.4liter supercharged making 550hp in the shelby gt500.
i dont know which car is faster for sure, but dont the gt500's have a lot of problems putting down all that power stock?
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i dont know which car is faster for sure, but dont the gt500's have a lot of problems putting down all that power stock?
yep, thats why every time that the shelby gt500 is reviewed, eveyrbody hates on that it still doesnt have an IRS so around corners it cant use that power, and the stock tires that come on it are not soft enough.
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um... i know your arguing with someone else about this right now.. but you are wrong. the shelby gt500 will leave the boss in the dust. your talking about a naturally aspirated 5.0liter making 400hp in the boss vs a 5.4liter supercharged making 550hp in the shelby gt500.
Around corners it probably wont cuz the boss weighs 300lbs less and has better aerodynamic stability as far as downforce, etc.

Plus you could always supercharge the Boss
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what the cobra lacks in corners it makes up for in straight aways. and i race on a drag strip not a racetrack. straight away is all i need. and it still corners well. just not like the new boss. it corners great for me
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Im not saying the Shelby isnt a great car, u r saying that it would be faster than a boss in a straight line which might be true because it has a forced intake, but you could always, buy a boss 302 and supercharge it and be making about the same horsepower for less money, and the boss would win every time.
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Im not saying the Shelby isnt a great car, u r saying that it would be faster than a boss in a straight line which might be true because it has a forced intake, but you could always, buy a boss 302 and supercharge it and be making about the same horsepower for less money, and the boss would win every time.
i dont know about that. i see where you are coming from on price. and it might be fast. but the cobra would still have a slightly higher displacement. ill have to wait and see what happens when someone does it. my guess is something will fail on the irs. it aint designed for that power and torque. thats why its not on the new cobras. it will work for a while but those cv axles can only handle so much before something goes wrong. and one problem with irs is the rear wheels will try and point into the vehicle under heavy acceleration. the more power the more they try to point into the vehicle. to much and it snaps
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i dont know about that. i see where you are coming from on price. and it might be fast. but the cobra would still have a slightly higher displacement. ill have to wait and see what happens when someone does it. my guess is something will fail on the irs. it aint designed for that power and torque. thats why its not on the new cobras. it will work for a while but those cv axles can only handle so much before something goes wrong. and one problem with irs is the rear wheels will try and point into the vehicle under heavy acceleration. the more power the more they try to point into the vehicle. to much and it snaps
I just want to correct a few things in your post.

1. It's not a cobra, it's a GT500. Until they remove shelby's name, it will never be a cobra.

2. The IRS was tossed out on the GT500 because the bean counters wanted to make more money. They had designed a new IRS to go into the GT500, but it cost more than the bean counters wanted it to so they scraped it.

3. Those CV axels can handle more power than you think. It really isn't the power that is killing them, it is wheel hop. Case in point, I'm putting down 600+ rwhp on the old bastardized IRS. Still running fine. Another guy in town is putting down 600+ lauching at 5 grand on full slicks and is still on his stock halfshafts. It's not the power, it's wheel hop.
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i dont know about that. i see where you are coming from on price. and it might be fast. but the cobra would still have a slightly higher displacement. ill have to wait and see what happens when someone does it. my guess is something will fail on the irs. it aint designed for that power and torque. thats why its not on the new cobras. it will work for a while but those cv axles can only handle so much before something goes wrong. and one problem with irs is the rear wheels will try and point into the vehicle under heavy acceleration. the more power the more they try to point into the vehicle. to much and it snaps
I understand where ur coming from on that, but ford just needs to get on development for something that will handle it. There are many comparable sports cars that put out similar numbers and have IRS that can support it and doesn't point.
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I just want to correct a few things in your post.

1. It's not a cobra, it's a GT500. Until they remove shelby's name, it will never be a cobra.

2. The IRS was tossed out on the GT500 because the bean counters wanted to make more money. They had designed a new IRS to go into the GT500, but it cost more than the bean counters wanted it to so they scraped it.

3. Those CV axels can handle more power than you think. It really isn't the power that is killing them, it is wheel hop. Case in point, I'm putting down 600+ rwhp on the old bastardized IRS. Still running fine. Another guy in town is putting down 600+ lauching at 5 grand on full slicks and is still on his stock halfshafts. It's not the power, it's wheel hop.
well my bad. here at the dealer they list it as a shellbp gt500 cobra. has cobra badges on it, so i assumed it was safe to call it a cobra. and im inpressed on yalls irs. from what they told me in school was they were not good for high torque high horsepower applications. so you got me there. my bad
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I understand where ur coming from on that, but ford just needs to get on development for something that will handle it. There are many comparable sports cars that put out similar numbers and have IRS that can support it and doesn't point.
according to purevenom they can. just dont want to put that many "beans" forth for it
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well my bad. here at the dealer they list it as a shellbp gt500 cobra. has cobra badges on it, so i assumed it was safe to call it a cobra. and im inpressed on yalls irs. from what they told me in school was they were not good for high torque high horsepower applications. so you got me there. my bad
Had shelby not come in at the last minute and slap his name on a car SVT created, it for sure would be a cobra. However, once he slapped his name on it, it went to a shelby. Look at the classics as well, they had the snake on them, but were never called cobras.
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It is interesting to read up on the new Boss 302 and how it is supposed to be a better car than the GT 5.0. Stock comparisons yeah it is a better car but is it really worth the $10k more than a 5.0? Seems the performance improvements like stability, intake, lowering springs, and tires does not equate to $10k. Seem like you could easily add aftermarket parts to the 5.0 to level the playing field with the 302 for less $$ and potentially surpass the 302. And who runs their car over 6,500 RPMs to see that HP gain? Seems like a pissing contest to me. Just paying for the name. Now don't get me wrong, if for some reason my 5.0 blows up, I would replace it with the 302 from Ford Racing but that is only an extra $3,500 for the engine and it's mods. Just wondering what other's thoughts are and if the 302 is really worth it.
You can't build a GT to outperform a Boss for $10,000

A built shortblock is around $5,000+$1,500 for installation.
A clutch to hold the power is $600-$1,200
Adjustable shocks $600-$1,500
Forged wheels $800-$2,000
Boss heads $3,000
Boss intake $550
Differential $500
Total on the low side is around $11,000 not counting any shipping or labor/installation charges. You don't seem like the kind of guy that knows much about cars so I'm sure you would have to pay a shop for the install which will run about $5,000 for all you would need done.
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Am I the only one that would just like to have all of the above?!?!?!?
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