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Old 06-11-2011, 02:17 AM   #36
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It was messing up on its own.
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just put down 653rwhp 730trq at 15lbs at 5krpms
So 15psi. They also mentioned that for those numbers it was indeed tuned agressive.

On 8-9PSI it made 550hp/605wtq.

They say only ran to 5k cause no load on dyno. They want to finish street tuning it. But some people called BS on it.
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Their comparison..blowers and turbo
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2011 5.0L Coyote Power Adder Comparison Dyno Chart

1- run005= Paxton Novi 2200 - 8-10 psi (cutting off early)
2- run009= Hellion Turbo - 8-9 psi
3- run011= Roush TVS - 7psi
4- run062= ProCharger D1SC - 12-14 psi

All were on 93 Octane

All manual

All on 80+ degree days with same humidity

Factory boost levels and pulleys that come with the kits.

After playing with the tune to make it more aggressive, we are adding a BOP to make it more fun!
Where they made the 653whp/730wtq with 15psi

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showt...545#post995545 for graph
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Maybe you missed the sarcasm in that.
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Hmm. Well let this kid blow up his own engine while pushing too much boost on stock internals. Myself, if I plan on running anything more than about 8 psi, I am going to do some internals just in case. I don't like taking chances with this type of stuff. Having to replace a short block is a lot more expensive than tossing in some rods, etc.
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Does anyone know anyone that has done some good durability tests on boost applications? That's really what I am looking for, how well these cars handle modest boost as an aggressive DD.
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Maybe you missed the sarcasm in that.
When it's typed without smilies, font, or creative use of punctuation......yeah

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When it's typed without smilies, font, or creative use of punctuation......yeah

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Well either way you will be fine..If not who cares.
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Does anyone know anyone that has done some good durability tests on boost applications? That's really what I am looking for, how well these cars handle modest boost as an aggressive DD.
Yeah
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Have any info/data?
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EWWWWW Burn...Release his the sack

He has yet to prove anything wrong...Wanted proof of the forged internals. Gave form ford..Yet he said yet gimmick.
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Have any info/data?
I know a guy that blew his engine..But all he had was a tune..Nothing else. Oh wait a few people have had that issue. #8 piston

Another guy blew his engine. WIth vortech supercharger. Unknown for sure what caused it though. He blamed on a O2 connector.

A lot are running boost and have yet to report any issues.
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EWWWWW Burn...Release his the sack

He has yet to prove anything wrong...Wanted proof of the forged internals. Gave form ford..Yet he said yet gimmick.
No sacks being help.....

gimmicks

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I think it stronger then most have expected. But from what seem most saying 15/16 psi they woudl push threw it with out putting forged internals in it.

I know one guy had issue and he is putting boss internals in his. Said it was cheaper then buying aftermarket stuff by a lot.

I know the exhaust cams are the only diff in cams between the two and they can be had for $249 threw Tousley ford. $309 threw ford racing.

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From what read pistons and rods are all same can use no issue. Just the Boss ones are forged.

Valve springs $109 for full 32, valves are $134 for each set.
Here you say boss rods are forged.

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Pistons are forged, rods are powder forged but also beefier for the higher RPM.

So it is not really bad info. They are stronger then the stock stock 5.0 rods. Oh just like the crank is powder forged in Both as well.
Here you seem to understand reality.

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ENGINE
Type High-performance 5.0-liter, four-valve Ti-VCT V8
Manufacturing location Windsor (Ontario) Engine Plant
Configuration Aluminum block and heads
Intake manifold Composite shell-welded with runner pack
Exhaust manifold Stainless steel tubular headers, quad exhaust tips
Redline 7,500 rpm
Valvetrain DOHC, four valves per cylinder, variable intake, variable camshaft timing
Valve diameter/lift (mm) Intake 37/12, exhaust 31/11
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Pistons Forged aluminum
Connecting rods Forged steel

Ignition High-energy coil-on-plug
Bore x stroke 3.63 x 3.65-in./92.2 x 92.7-mm
Displacement 302 cu. in./4,951 cc
Compression ratio 11.0:1
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Horsepower 444
Horsepower per liter 88.8
Torque 380 lb.-ft.
Required fuel 87 octane (premium fuel recommended)
Fuel capacity 16 gallons
Fuel delivery Sequential mechanical returnless
Oil capacity 8.5 quarts with filter (10,000-mile service interval)

Right form ford website it says so. So Ford is lieing about what they did?

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Here you contradict yourself.

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EWWWWW Burn...Release his the sack

He has yet to prove anything wrong...Wanted proof of the forged internals. Gave form ford..Yet he said yet gimmick.
Do you prefer I provide proof or would you like to re-admit that you passed bad info in the beginning. Boss engines are NOT fully forged. I don't care what ford advertizes.

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I know a guy that blew his engine..But all he had was a tune..Nothing else. Oh wait a few people have had that issue. #8 piston

Another guy blew his engine. WIth vortech supercharger. Unknown for sure what caused it though. He blamed on a O2 connector.

A lot are running boost and have yet to report any issues.
You live in Texas right? I find it hard to believe that you know Terry.
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Here you say boss rods are forged.



Here you seem to understand reality.



Here you contradict yourself.



Do you prefer I provide proof or would you like to re-admit that you passed bad info in the beginning. Boss engines are NOT fully forged. I don't care what ford advertizes.



You live in Texas right? I find it hard to believe that you know Terry.
I have talked to Terry multiple times. Do I know him in person nope. Never met him in person. Although plan to try when I go back to ohio since we are from same place. Talked to him about issues yep sure have. I asked a lot of questions to try avoid the same issues if possible.

As far as the boss engine I showed yo what info Ford put out. As most have said only truly forged is pistons, and crank. Pistons are powder forged. A different type of forged yes. Strong as the pistons and crank no.
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I have talked to Terry multiple times. Do I know him in person nope. Never met him in person. Although plan to try when I go back to ohio since we are from same place. Talked to him about issues yep sure have. I asked a lot of questions to try avoid the same issues if possible.

As far as the boss engine I showed yo what info Ford put out. As most have said only truly forged is pistons, and crank. Pistons are powder forged. A different type of forged yes. Strong as the pistons and crank no.
It's not a different type of forging. It's a casting process.
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So on another site a guy posted that he got 653 rwhp pushing 15 psi with a BBR tune and the Hellion kit, on a stock block. Thoughts?
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15psi on a non forged internal high compression motor is asking for trouble sooner or later
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Has anyone else looked at the kit and second guessed the intercooler and turbo locations? Does anyone know of another kit currently available?
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Has anyone else looked at the kit and second guessed the intercooler and turbo locations? Does anyone know of another kit currently available?
That is a question that has been brought up several times. WHat also better if you go to Hellion site they show dyno BBR did with no Hood/Bumper/ so how accurate is that?


Fastlanes makes a top mounted turbo also. They went 10s with just it.
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So on another site a guy posted that he got 653 rwhp pushing 15 psi with a BBR tune and the Hellion kit, on a stock block. Thoughts?
I hope that was with 750+ lbs of torque. If not, that's pretty weak. I can make that much with only 10 psi and 110. I'm sure he was running race gas at 15 psi as well.
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I hope that was with 750+ lbs of torque. If not, that's pretty weak. I can make that much with only 10 psi and 110. I'm sure he was running race gas at 15 psi as well.
BBR claims that was on pump. BUt yet a lot of questions have been asked, And BBR has yet yo answer them.

BUt here is the dyno pulls they did.



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What kind of pump gas? Doesn't it go higher than 93 and some are still considered "pump gas"?
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What kind of pump gas? Doesn't it go higher than 93 and some are still considered "pump gas"?
If you can't go to any old gas station be it shell, bp, texon it isn't pump gas.

But they say it was 93.

I wonder why they are not trying E85..HMMMM
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If you can't go to any old gas station be it shell, bp, texon it isn't pump gas.

But they say it was 93.

I wonder why they are not trying E85..HMMMM
Lol, e85 is good stuff. My friends supercharged civic runs off it. 312fwhp on 9psi. Looking at moving up to 12psi after a new clutch. He's hoping for at least 350ish fwhp
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Lol, e85 is good stuff. My friends supercharged civic runs off it. 312fwhp on 9psi. Looking at moving up to 12psi after a new clutch. He's hoping for at least 350ish fwhp
All my Evo buddies run E85. One makes 650awhp with 28psi will be going to 36psi and another less built makes 400awhp on 21psi on stock turbo.
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If you can't go to any old gas station be it shell, bp, texon it isn't pump gas.

But they say it was 93.

I wonder why they are not trying E85..HMMMM
I get 110 from a pump at a shell station

What's the link to this original thread?
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I get 110 from a pump at a shell station

What's the link to this original thread?
Just curious but how much per gallon do u pay for 110?
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I saw it on "turbo 5.0" on themustangsource.com
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