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Old 06-09-2011, 04:39 PM   #1
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After testing today, we were able to make an amazing 653 rwhp / 730 rwtq at 15lbs of boost on 93 octane pump gas in a 2011 5.0L 4V Mustang GT with a MT-82 6-speed transmission. As a matter of fact, the car is stock with the exception of the Magnaflow Comp Axleback System.

We added a Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump and the supplied 52# Injectors from Hellion to help with the needed fuel. Tune is very conservative and safe with only 15° of timing in the tuning.


More numbers are to come. But this is where we are as of right now. Thought it was pretty impressive.

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wow 11psi, I am sure they tuned it good so we can see if it will last
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67mm Precision Turbo w/ billet wheel..Just asked where pull started from and when it ended..
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5th gear pull starting @ 2,000 rpm

Let out at 5,200 rpm do to the fact that our dynojet dyno isn't loaded.

So 653whp at 5000rpms..NICE!
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wow 11psi, I am sure they tuned it good so we can see if it will last
They say it is a conservative tune..with lots of timing pulled.
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I've come to not believe anything BBR posts.....they are always the "first" to make amazing numbers....that nobody else is ever able to replicate for some reason.

It's great for business, because early adopters with $$$$ flock to them.....and miss out on the shops who REALLY know what they're doing.

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I've come to not believe anything BBR posts.....they are always the "first" to make amazing numbers....that nobody else is ever able to replicate for some reason.

It's great for business, because early adopters with $$$$ flock to them.....and miss out on the shops who REALLY know what they're doing.

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There is a guy doing a install him self and will be posting dyno results in a few weeks. So we see how they compare.
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I've come to not believe anything BBR posts.....they are always the "first" to make amazing numbers....that nobody else is ever able to replicate for some reason.

It's great for business, because early adopters with $$$$ flock to them.....and miss out on the shops who REALLY know what they're doing.

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Agreed.

653 rwhp at 5200 rpm is bs. How can it be a safe tune when those injectors are tapped around 630?
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Agreed.

653 rwhp at 5200 rpm is bs. How can it be a safe tune when those injectors are tapped around 630?
There is a few guys running them injectors with the roush blower and small pulley making 620-650whp, along with a few other procharged guys making over 600 with them size.

But seems most between 600-800 are using 60/80 lbs injectors.

Plus it might be cause turbo make power easier and don't rob as much power to make power like belt driven superchargers.
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There is a few guys running them injectors with the roush blower and small pulley making 620-650whp, along with a few other procharged guys making over 600 with them size.

But seems most between 600-800 are using 60/80 lbs injectors.

Plus it might be cause turbo make power easier and don't rob as much power to make power like belt driven superchargers.
I'm making over 600 with them too, but on pump gas they are maxed around 620. Sure, you could make more power, but your afr will be in the 12.5+ range, but hey, BBR says that's safe lol.
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Interested in how long the stock internals will hold through a mix of 98% daily driving and 2% tearin arse. Might be in the market for one of these, but don't want to turn my block into a cheese grater
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I'm making over 600 with them too, but on pump gas they are maxed around 620. Sure, you could make more power, but your afr will be in the 12.5+ range, but hey, BBR says that's safe lol.
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even "safe" at 11 psi... that might be pushing it due to that compression I want to see repeated results on a non biased vehicle or dyno.
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even "safe" at 11 psi... that might be pushing it due to that compression I want to see repeated results on a non biased vehicle or dyno.
There are supercharged cars running 10psi all day. Even some running up to 15psi.

The 11 psi from a turbo shouldn't be as hard as a belt driven blower.
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I'm making over 600 with them too, but on pump gas they are maxed around 620. Sure, you could make more power, but your afr will be in the 12.5+ range, but hey, BBR says that's safe lol.
12.5 isn't a bad a/f ratio. That what i run on my N/A set up as well. WIll run about same with spray.

Also EVO/Livernois run right in the same range with the blown cars they have of their own and done.
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12.5 isn't a bad a/f ratio. That what i run on my N/A set up as well. WIll run about same with spray.

Also EVO/Livernois run right in the same range with the blown cars they have of their own and done.
You should open a tuning company. You sound legit.
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There are supercharged cars running 10psi all day. Even some running up to 15psi.

The 11 psi from a turbo shouldn't be as hard as a belt driven blower.
running it and holding it over time are two very different things. 15psi isnt a big deal if you never use it either~ I highly doubt they can hold 15psi for long periods of time.

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12.5 isn't a bad a/f ratio. That what i run on my N/A set up as well. WIll run about same with spray.

Also EVO/Livernois run right in the same range with the blown cars they have of their own and done.
for a supercharged vehicle 12.5 probably result in it blowing up if its pushed hard. You want 11.8 or so (richer to be safer since the new 5.0s and 3v 4.6s are not built strong). N/A is very different to what a supercharged vehicle needs tune wise very very different.
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running it and holding it over time are two very different things. 15psi isnt a big deal if you never use it either~ I highly doubt they can hold 15psi for long periods of time.



for a supercharged vehicle 12.5 probably result in it blowing up if its pushed hard. You want 11.8 or so (richer to be safer since the new 5.0s and 3v 4.6s are not built strong). N/A is very different to what a supercharged vehicle needs tune wise very very different.
I will not say how long it will hold at 15psi.

As far as the 5.0 not being strong. They are holding up pretty well. Several running over 600whp with no issue so far. Some been doing it over a year and ran hard at the track and on the street. But we will see how long it stays that way.

JPC has been over at 800whp for a while on stock internals. They did destroy the tranny though.

Agree that it should be 11.8 range. Few I seen are above that but seen they said they doing more tuning.


That why I leave the tuning to some one else. HAHA
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Also a few others are questioning BBR on the turbo tuning and numbers of why it fell off and why they only went to 5200...
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without a doubt they are stronger than I ever thought so thats great news for the new 5.0 and making me ever more looking at one in the future. I hope we find out over the next year where the limits are etc, but regardless its much more than I expected.
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without a doubt they are stronger than I ever thought so thats great news for the new 5.0 and making me ever more looking at one in the future. I hope we find out over the next year where the limits are etc, but regardless its much more than I expected.
I think it stronger then most have expected. But from what seem most saying 15/16 psi they woudl push threw it with out putting forged internals in it.

I know one guy had issue and he is putting boss internals in his. Said it was cheaper then buying aftermarket stuff by a lot.

I know the exhaust cams are the only diff in cams between the two and they can be had for $249 threw Tousley ford. $309 threw ford racing.

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From what read pistons and rods are all same can use no issue. Just the Boss ones are forged.

Valve springs $109 for full 32, valves are $134 for each set.
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I think it stronger then most have expected. But from what seem most saying 15/16 psi they woudl push threw it with out putting forged internals in it.

I know one guy had issue and he is putting boss internals in his. Said it was cheaper then buying aftermarket stuff by a lot.

I know the exhaust cams are the only diff in cams between the two and they can be had for $249 threw Tousley ford. $309 threw ford racing.

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From what read pistons and rods are all same can use no issue. Just the Boss ones are forged.
You confused me. Are you saying a stock coyote can survive at 16 psi?

Boss rods are cast. Please don't spread bad info on here.
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12.5 isn't a bad a/f ratio. That what i run on my N/A set up as well. WIll run about same with spray.

Also EVO/Livernois run right in the same range with the blown cars they have of their own and done.
Wait....if you run 12.5 on an N/A combo, why in the world would you say it's safe for a forced induction application?

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You confused me. Are you saying a stock coyote can survive at 16 psi?

Boss rods are cast. Please don't spread bad info on here.
Pistons are forged, rods are powder forged but also beefier for the higher RPM.

So it is not really bad info. They are stronger then the stock stock 5.0 rods. Oh just like the crank is powder forged in Both as well.
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Wait....if you run 12.5 on an N/A combo, why in the world would you say it's safe for a forced induction application?

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I correct that earlier. I read the info wrong on what they was running.
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You confused me. Are you saying a stock coyote can survive at 16 psi?

Boss rods are cast. Please don't spread bad info on here.
And there are guys running 15/16psi threw the 5.0 with no issues yet. Thing is how long will it hold.
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Pistons are forged, rods are powder forged but also beefier for the higher RPM.

So it is not really bad info. They are stronger then the stock stock 5.0 rods. Oh just like the crank is powder forged in Both as well.
Powder forged is a casting process.

The crank is forged steel. Where are you getting this info? I wouldn't go back there if I were you.
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And there are guys running 15/16psi threw the 5.0 with no issues yet. Thing is how long will it hold.
Provide a link to a 16 psi stock car. That's pushing 800 on c16. I can tell you how long it will last. About 5 pulls.
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[QUOTE=Stupidfast5.0;909879]Powder forged is a casting process.

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Right form ford website it says so. So Ford is lieing about what they did?

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JPC's car that made 800whp on 109 octane. They race it at 750whp-760whp.
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Powder forged is a casting process.

ENGINE
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Manufacturing location Windsor (Ontario) Engine Plant
Configuration Aluminum block and heads
Intake manifold Composite shell-welded with runner pack
Exhaust manifold Stainless steel tubular headers, quad exhaust tips
Redline 7,500 rpm
Valvetrain DOHC, four valves per cylinder, variable intake, variable camshaft timing
Valve diameter/lift (mm) Intake 37/12, exhaust 31/11
Ti-VCT operating range 50 degrees for both intake and exhaust
Pistons Forged aluminum
Connecting rods Forged steel

Ignition High-energy coil-on-plug
Bore x stroke 3.63 x 3.65-in./92.2 x 92.7-mm
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Compression ratio 11.0:1
Engine control system PCM
Horsepower 444
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Torque 380 lb.-ft.
Required fuel 87 octane (premium fuel recommended)
Fuel capacity 16 gallons
Fuel delivery Sequential mechanical returnless
Oil capacity 8.5 quarts with filter (10,000-mile service interval)

Right form ford website it says so. So Ford is lieing about what they did?

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Next you will tell me the Boss didn't run a 11.7 1/4 mile with just tires, No 5.0 reached 500whp N/A and no one has went 11.1 with just bolts ons.
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Next you will tell me the Boss didn't run a 11.7 1/4 mile with just tires, No 5.0 reached 500whp N/A and no one has went 11.1 with just bolts ons.
No, I will only tell you the truth. JPC never made a 16 psi pass, stock internal start to break at 650, and boss rods are cast.
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No, I will only tell you the truth. JPC never made a 16 psi pass, stock internal start to break at 650, and boss rods are cast.
well they are racing at 750whp+ and made over 800whp. Still not broke. So they doing it. Another guy with procharger making over 700whp and only thing he broke was his clutch.

They key will be how long they hold.
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All I ask is you guys figure out why you can't quote a post correctly. It is really annoying to read.
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