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Old 06-16-2011, 08:26 AM   #1
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Roush CAI vs. stock air box w/ drop-in K&N

Hello everyone! I am new to these forums after finally getting back in the game with my 2012 Mustang GT/CS. I previously had several trucks in between owning a 1999 Mustang GT 35th anniversary edition.

I have been checking the forums for a few days now looking for answers regarding the Roush CAI but havn't had much luck. Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.

First of all, does the Roush CAI perform reasonably better than the stock airbox with a K&N drop-in filter? Roush advertises that it does not require a tune and it is like a factory fit. Will the computer automatically adjust for the small amount of air flow change or will there be problems with it running lean? I don't want to go so far as to change the tune in it just yet but wanted to do some minor mods/upgrades to increase the performance.

Thanks for any insight you can provide!
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I think the 2010+ mustangs all have learning computers so I don't think you would need a tune
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I think the 2010+ mustangs all have learning computers so I don't think you would need a tune
They learn to an extent. You cant drop cams in it and expect it to learn how to run with them. It depends on what your budget is. If you really don't have money and your lookin for power I don't think a cai is going to impress you. They just don't do much. I say get the drop in filter. The high flow filter is where you are going to see most of the gains from a cai.
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My input is... if its an 05+ and the intake does not require a retune then its probably not doing nearly good enough of a job. Get one that requires a tune and get much more performance.

Even if you want to maintain warranty (no tune) and you buy one that does not require a retune I HIGHLY recommend getting it dynoed to check and make sure your car is safe.
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I think one issue is no one is running the Roush cold air. Most people went with Steeda/JLT/C&L. Which all them require a tune.

Now there has been several threads on other mustang forums if the cold air is worth it. Many say yes many say no. But few have switched it at the track and seen no gains with the cold air from the few that do not require a tune. Airraid/C&L has optional no tune one.

Others with ones that need tune claim it was tune that made difference, while others say it was a combo of both.

There is guys that have ran 11.8's with tune only while others went 11.8 with tune and Cold Air. It is all really hard to prove what one was better since ran different tracks.

Dyno shows they pic up power. But They was all also all Dynoed with a tune at same time.
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I think one issue is no one is running the Roush cold air. Most people went with Steeda/JLT/C&L. Which all them require a tune.

Now there has been several threads on other mustang forums if the cold air is worth it. Many say yes many say no. But few have switched it at the track and seen no gains with the cold air from the few that do not require a tune. Airraid/C&L has optional no tune one.

Others with ones that need tune claim it was tune that made difference, while others say it was a combo of both.

There is guys that have ran 11.8's with tune only while others went 11.8 with tune and Cold Air. It is all really hard to prove what one was better since ran different tracks.

Dyno shows they pic up power. But They was all also all Dynoed with a tune at same time.
I like you! Someone actually researched instead of going with what the websites claim! Awesome! No one else will search they just think "modification gives more power"
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I think one issue is no one is running the Roush cold air. Most people went with Steeda/JLT/C&L. Which all them require a tune.

Now there has been several threads on other mustang forums if the cold air is worth it. Many say yes many say no. But few have switched it at the track and seen no gains with the cold air from the few that do not require a tune. Airraid/C&L has optional no tune one.

Others with ones that need tune claim it was tune that made difference, while others say it was a combo of both.

There is guys that have ran 11.8's with tune only while others went 11.8 with tune and Cold Air. It is all really hard to prove what one was better since ran different tracks.

Dyno shows they pic up power. But They was all also all Dynoed with a tune at same time.
Anyone under 12 is running with radials or slicks. I saw someone run 12.2 with only radials, no weight reduction and no other mods...

The intake/tune combo isnt doing much IMO.
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you dont always need non street tires, suspension matters a ton as well as does track prep and other conditions
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Thanks for the input guys. I like the look of the Roush kit and wasn't expecting alot of hp gains with it. Had a cai on my old stang with no issues, just wanted to see if this one would cause any problems other then no real hp gain.
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They learn to an extent. You cant drop cams in it and expect it to learn how to run with them. It depends on what your budget is. If you really don't have money and your lookin for power I don't think a cai is going to impress you. They just don't do much. I say get the drop in filter. The high flow filter is where you are going to see most of the gains from a cai.
A drop in filter is a waste of money. They offer zero gains.

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My input is... if its an 05+ and the intake does not require a retune then its probably not doing nearly good enough of a job. Get one that requires a tune and get much more performance.

Even if you want to maintain warranty (no tune) and you buy one that does not require a retune I HIGHLY recommend getting it dynoed to check and make sure your car is safe.
Werd. If it doesn't require a tune it's not doing much.
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Werd. If it doesn't require a tune it's not doing much.
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The only reason I am considering the drop in is for the sake of not buying the paper ones over and over
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Get it, it'll look better and it won't hurt.....it'll help if anything

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The only reason I am considering the drop in is for the sake of not buying the paper ones over and over
amsoil is now making oil less filters you just rinse them and dry I think, its a good way to go for a drop in or any filter
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If it "breathes better", it will perform better. You would move more air with the K&N, than the stock paper element. Are you going to "feel" this in the 'seat of the pants'..? Perhaps-very slightly?


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A drop in filter is a waste of money. They offer zero gains.



Werd. If it doesn't require a tune it's not doing much.
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All the Cold airs that have claimed big gains require a tune. It needs a tune cause of the tube size being changed. Simply put.

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If it "breathes better", it will perform better. You would move more air with the K&N, than the stock paper element. Are you going to "feel" this in the 'seat of the pants'..? Perhaps-very slightly?


If you can fee 4whp(if lucky) then you have to baddest butt dyno in the world.


Also there has been cars run low 12s with nothing done to the car. Yes it was with great air. But it has been done.

Best bone stock manual is 12.22@115, best auto 12.37@XXX. Both was run at the same track. Cecil and the crazy great DA they have there.
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I have the roush CAI. It was an easy fit and hasn't caused any problems. But like everyone has said, didn't make much of a difference. I added roush exhaust, so i just went ahead and put the CAI on too.
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I "stand" by what I said.
I also wasn't saying that one would be able to"feel" a difference-so much as the filter will pass more air and the engine will breathe better.

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I "stand" by what I said.
I also wasn't saying that one would be able to"feel" a difference-so much as the filter will pass more air and the engine will breathe better.

So, you think that putting a K&N filter into the stock airbox will increase your trap speed?
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So, you think that putting a K&N filter into the stock airbox will increase your trap speed?
come on stupidfast! beat him down! beat him down good! do what you do best!!!
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It's a question. How is that a "beat down?"
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It's a question. How is that a "beat down?"
cause i know where your gonna go with it. your gonna let him try to explain then your gonna tell him he is wrong and that he should do research. its a trend you have in every thread you ask someone a "question"...
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cause i know where your gonna go with it. your gonna let him try to explain then your gonna tell him he is wrong and that he should do research. its a trend you have in every thread you ask someone a "question"...
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If a drop in filter made more power it would increase your trap speed. Correct?
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If a drop in filter made more power it would increase your trap speed. Correct?
thank you spelling police! i sure hope my old English teacher dont (i mean don't) see that!

and the filter dont (again i meant don't) make the power. the extra air (and possible debris) that it allows through it lets the engine breath better. so a slight increase is expected but not always given. depends on the original filter size and micron rating. as he said you wont be able to "feel" the difference...
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thank you spelling police! i sure hope my old English teacher dont (i mean don't) see that!

and the filter dont (again i meant don't) make the power. the extra air (and possible debris) that it allows through it lets the engine breath better. so a slight increase is expected but not always given. depends on the original filter size and micron rating. as he said you wont be able to "feel" the difference...
If you can't feel a difference, and it makes no noticeable difference on a dyno, and it doesn't increase trap speed....what difference did it make?
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If you can't feel a difference, and it makes no noticeable difference on a dyno, and it doesn't increase trap speed....what difference did it make?
ill say it again... it depends on the original filter and how restrictive it is. if its a filter with a large filtering area then no a drop in filter is useless. but if its a small filter like in the 06-07 focus then you can get a little benefit from the drop in filter.
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I will say the drop in K&N filter does jack & ****!. Its a waste of $50+. Seen to many people have one in numerous cars and make no difference how fast the car trapped/ET'd.
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It's comforting to be 'surrounded by' so many experts..

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Am I included in the experts?
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My drop in K&N netted 8 HP with a tune

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pre 05's didnt gain nearly as much with intake/filter the 05+ make a bigger difference (with tune)
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