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Old 07-17-2011, 08:11 PM   #1
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Time for a tune, advice time.

So it's time for a tune, and I am looking for those of you who have used Lethal Performance. I have spoken to Jared through emails, and I am really impressed with his knowledge. Can those of you using their tune chime in and give your two cents. I am looking to get the 93 street tune with the ghost cam idle, thoughts? Anyone using the 91 tune, and what's the performance difference?
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Lethal doesn't tune vehicles. It's a Lund tune. I'm sure you will be fine with it.
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Didn't Lund stop the ghost cam tune? If you want the best throttle response go with the race tune.
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Unless you have a extra 8-10k sitting around....i wouldn't do it for a little while. I am friends with a ford tech and he told me that Ford has sent them out a memo on aftermarket tuning. A lot of motors are being messed up cause the tunes are not right ..he advised me to wait a little while till they get the bugs out. Ford knows what to look for and will not pay if they find what they are looking for.
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I talked to Lund in an email, and he was willing to send me the tune for $200. I also talked to Lethal, and they will send the tune too; they program their tuners with Lund's tunes. Lethal sells their SCT's for a $100 more than other places, but i trust Jon Lund's tune. I don't have the SCT yet, so it is a little cheaper to go through Lethal and get the tuner and tune. In regards to the tune, some people claim the ghost cam tune will hurt the motor, and others say not at all. As I understand it, the cams are controlled by the computer to give the best milage. The tune simply stops the computer from optimizing the timing, and thus the rough idle. Don't beat me up if I am wrong, that's why I posted here in the first place. Lastly, the early reports are that Ford asked for the tune to be pulled, because the were interested in marketing it. That makes sense to me base on the 2012 Boss 302's, with the track key. In stead of a tune, one simply swaps keys, and the ghost cam comes to life.
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I hear a lot of people complaining about fear of their warranty, but I have had great luck with two dealers in two states. I had a Kenne Bell and a 50 shot on my 03 Cobra, and it was in the shop a lot. A case of beer was all it took fir me; hell, they went out of there way for me. In fact, I am taking my 2011 into the dealership due to the bushings in the lower control arms making noise; the mechanic is swapping the stock springs for some H&R's. He told me to bring him the springs and he would swap them. I specifically asked the service manager about mods voiding the warranty, and he said that is more likely to happen with an extended warranty. He went on to say that it also depends on the person.
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I think you are right on. I am currently running the BAMA 93 Race tune. I just ordered the Lund 93 aggressive with the CAM option. If the problems can be directly related to the tune then the dealership has every reason to not do the work for free. It is the price we pay for messing with months of research and developement.
The dealership here has been great to me thus far. IMO they will fix anything that is wrong with the car as long as I didn't mess it up by changing it too much.
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Re: Time for a tune, advice time.

yea Lund has a good reputation, another place to check is american muscle as they offer tunes for life etc,
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To each his own, i will wait till they work the bugs out before i risk it.
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If you go with a Lund tune you will be fine. The issues people had with engines blowing up was cause of piss poor tuning by Bama and another shop. Go on other forums and you will find this out. I haven't seen yet where anyone had issues with a Lund tune.

Oh so you know American muscle uses bama.

Also I just had a ghost tune. Still have it in my sct. But mine was from a friend who tunes and got it from lund before it was banned so to say by Ford.
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If you go with a Lund tune you will be fine. The issues people had with engines blowing up was cause of piss poor tuning by Bama and another shop. Go on other forums and you will find this out. I haven't seen yet where anyone
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Oh so you know American muscle uses bama.

Also I just had a ghost tune. Still have it in my sct. But mine was from a friend who tunes and got it from lund before it was banned so to say by Ford.
I have yet to see anyone bad mouthing Bama for "piss poor" tunes. I myself have never had a issue with them and all of the cars running Bama tunes on a dyno day were spot on. This is just my experience of course.
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I have yet to see anyone bad mouthing Bama for "piss poor" tunes. I myself have never had a issue with them and all of the cars running Bama tunes on a dyno day were spot on. This is just my experience of course.
Go to modularfords or S197 there is all kinds of post about them. Also how least 4 cars with their tunes are the ones that blew up with the #8 piston issue. How they was messing with knock sensors to begin with. How they stole and copied tunes from Jon lund/BBR and few other people. How there cam tunes had issues of dieing and idling wrong etc etc.
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I'm just going from my experience which has been nothing but good. As far as the ghost cam tune goes I really don't have any desire to throw that on there. The info I read Didn't mention any thing at all about Bama being the tuner that was blowing engines. If I remember correctly there were two vendors in a thread on S197 who were going at it about who was the one ****ing people's tunes up and there was no mention of Bama. Besides I don't see why vendors would want to be pointing fingers about something like that on a public forum.
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QUOTE:Besides I don't see why vendors would want to be pointing fingers about something like that on a public forum.


Dan, could it be, 'out of competition/self preservation/not being exactly ethical /self serving interest and self-gain/ outright fear. Any, of these reasons-that's why..

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If you go with a Lund tune you will be fine. The issues people had with engines blowing up was cause of piss poor tuning by Bama and another shop. Go on other forums and you will find this out. I haven't seen yet where anyone had issues with a Lund tune.

Oh so you know American muscle uses bama.

Also I just had a ghost tune. Still have it in my sct. But mine was from a friend who tunes and got it from lund before it was banned so to say by Ford.


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I read it on Modular and there. SOmething is funny with this guy. He had a SCT tune, then BBR tune then claimed he had a Lund tune. Said it cost him 3k to fix issue with car but has yet to say what was wrong with car. There is also a thread on SVT. Some one tried doing a count looks like 3-4 Bama 1 Lund 1 unknown tune so far.
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I read it on Modular and there. SOmething is funny with this guy. He had a SCT tune, then BBR tune then claimed he had a Lund tune. Said it cost him 3k to fix issue with car but has yet to say what was wrong with car. There is also a thread on SVT. Some one tried doing a count looks like 3-4 Bama 1 Lund 1 unknown tune so far.
Can you post some links about some of the stuff you are saying? I have bama tunes on my sct never ha problems nor have i ever heard anyone have problems with bama.
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Can you post some links about some of the stuff you are saying? I have bama tunes on my sct never ha problems nor have i ever heard anyone have problems with bama.
Read threw the thread he posted. They all talk about it.
Here another they talk about it. Funny thing no one from Bama/AM has came on to defend them self yet when they are dogged like that. And they are on both the forums. I also know that the one guy with screen name fiveoh knows two guys personally that had #8 issue and both had bama tune.
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All I can say is ,**** happens. I wouldn't say everything Bama or Lund does is crap because of a couple bad tunes.
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Read threw the thread he posted. They all talk about it.
Here another they talk about it. Funny thing no one from Bama/AM has came on to defend them self yet when they are dogged like that. And they are on both the forums. I also know that the one guy with screen name fiveoh knows two guys personally that had #8 issue and both had bama tune.
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I'm calling BS on that (like 99 percent of the people who posted in that thread) there's only one guy in there who claims to know other people with the same issue. Not a chance.
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Cause of the #8: - SVTPerformance

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Has anyone taken into account the type of driving these blown cars have endured. Are the cars daily drivers in stop and go traffic, light to light or traffic jams? Are they daily drivers with long highway commutes? Are they the car which does everyday driving and then makes four or five passes on Saturday night at the track?
I think those are also a point which might lead to greater discovery of what is going wrong. Just a thought.
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If you go with a Lund tune you will be fine. The issues people had with engines blowing up was cause of piss poor tuning by Bama and another shop. Go on other forums and you will find this out. I haven't seen yet where anyone had issues with a Lund tune.

Oh so you know American muscle uses bama.

Also I just had a ghost tune. Still have it in my sct. But mine was from a friend who tunes and got it from lund before it was banned so to say by Ford.
http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65741

a couple of popped 8s where on lund tunes. one had ran two other tunes prior to the lund. its anyones guess at this point. i wont be tuning my N/A until this gets figured out. if it doesnt ill just TVS the car next spring/summer and not sweat it.
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a couple of popped 8s where on lund tunes. one had ran two other tunes prior to the lund. its anyones guess at this point. i wont be tuning my N/A until this gets figured out. if it doesnt ill just TVS the car next spring/summer and not sweat it.

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Has anyone taken into account the type of driving these blown cars have endured. Are the cars daily drivers in stop and go traffic, light to light or traffic jams? Are they daily drivers with long highway commutes? Are they the car which does everyday driving and then makes four or five passes on Saturday night at the track?
I think those are also a point which might lead to greater discovery of what is going wrong. Just a thought.
FRom what i read it really has been cars with multiple tunes. Some think that it just don't happen. That it is happening over time. They are daily driver cars that haven't been to the track. Or least owners saying they haven't. Look at last one three different tunes all in about 4 months. So really hard to say whixh one caused the issue.
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a couple of popped 8s where on lund tunes. one had ran two other tunes prior to the lund. its anyones guess at this point. i wont be tuning my N/A until this gets figured out. if it doesnt ill just TVS the car next spring/summer and not sweat it.
That is the first one that has said lund. And he also had 2 other tuunes in teh car before. So what one really caused the issue?
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That is the first one that has said lund. And he also had 2 other tuunes in teh car before. So what one really caused the issue?
thats the kicker, he never dynoed the car to verify AFR so at this point who knows. i know i would spend the 50 bucks to dyno to see if the AFR is at least safe.
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Excellent info... I'm starting to think I was wrong for calling BS on this... I wonder who's gonna step up first and say "we can tune for your mods without blowing your engine up" lol
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Ordered my tune from Lethal, and if the engine blows, whatever. I had several conversations with Jared, here is his latest response.

"For a while now Jon has been sending the aggressive tunes out with the street 93 timing table and relying on the adaptive octane/knock sensor system to add timing only if no knock is sensed. So if you take another 2 degrees out you'll be running less timing than the 93 street tune has. Now if the car doesn't sense any knock it will increase timing by itself and become more aggressive. The same would be as if you put better octane fuel in the car. It's going to continue to build itself to be more aggressive as long as no knock is sensed. Once knock is detected it's going to revert back to a less aggressive knock table."

Let me know if you have any other questions.

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Ordered my tune from Lethal, and if the engine blows, whatever. I had several conversations with Jared, here is his latest response.

"For a while now Jon has been sending the aggressive tunes out with the street 93 timing table and relying on the adaptive octane/knock sensor system to add timing only if no knock is sensed. So if you take another 2 degrees out you'll be running less timing than the 93 street tune has. Now if the car doesn't sense any knock it will increase timing by itself and become more aggressive. The same would be as if you put better octane fuel in the car. It's going to continue to build itself to be more aggressive as long as no knock is sensed. Once knock is detected it's going to revert back to a less aggressive knock table."

Let me know if you have any other questions.

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