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Old 09-03-2011, 12:27 PM   #1
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Supercharger questions

So i am looking at articles on superchargers and I have a one question that I haven't really found the answer to which is:

When the company posts the horsepower and torque rating on a supercharger are they assuming that the car has headers all the way back for exhaust or are they basing it off the stock exhaust set up? Reason I am asking is I would like to get 600 horse out of the engine but I don't want to push the stock motor up over that so with that the less boost I go with and doing other simple modifications the more durable the engine is going to be. I am looking at the Edelbrock E-Force since that seems to be the least evasive install for a roots style supercharger and the are boasting 550 hp and 503 ft lb torque. So with that in mind are those specs based off a completely stock set up with a tune?
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So i am looking at articles on superchargers and I have a one question that I haven't really found the answer to which is:

When the company posts the horsepower and torque rating on a supercharger are they assuming that the car has headers all the way back for exhaust or are they basing it off the stock exhaust set up? Reason I am asking is I would like to get 600 horse out of the engine but I don't want to push the stock motor up over that so with that the less boost I go with and doing other simple modifications the more durable the engine is going to be. I am looking at the Edelbrock E-Force since that seems to be the least evasive install for a roots style supercharger and the are boasting 550 hp and 503 ft lb torque. So with that in mind are those specs based off a completely stock set up with a tune?
Those number are on a stock block with no other supporting mod's other than the SC its self and their tune. Also keep in mind that those number are "at crank" not at rear wheel.
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As above that is stock engine.

DO some research and you will actually see that the Roush TVS 2300 is the best bang for the buck on these cars. They are the only ones that have went 9's with headers, tune, pulley. Not a built block etc. That will most likely be the blower I go with.

If y ou look hard enough you can get the whole kit under 5600. That kit alone has went mid 10s on a other wise stock car besides tires.
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Sounds like a plan do u know what the hp rating on the sc with the smaller pulley that Roush voids there warranty when replaced
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They have kits all way up to 750 hp starting at 7k..tuner kits for 5800. And can get cheaper also. If remember right with smaller pulleys on the way.
Roush Supercharger Tuner Kit - 2011-2012 Mustang GT/BOSS 302 5.0L [421140] - $5,899.00 : Evolution Performance, Performance Parts & Accessories - Ford Mustang & Shelby Experts
Roush Supercharger 750HP Kit - 2011-2012 Mustang GT/BOSS 302 5.0L [421140-EVO-750] - $6,999.00 : Evolution Performance, Performance Parts & Accessories - Ford Mustang & Shelby Experts
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Nice Have u heard anything on the edelbrock e series at all
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Nice Have u heard anything on the edelbrock e series at all
Just some guy asked about it and 1 vendor post whore his thread with we have did some. They are great buy from us 20 times. On guy did say he had one on his 08 and he loved it.

Another shop said they have did 1 or 2 and they are a good set up. But don't expect a lot of power down the road. That they will not hang with the Roush/KB/Whipple in the end.
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ill take the 750 one please lol
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I would go with a twin screw vs a roots blower (they are different) and twin screw is much more efficient and makes more power per psi

on a 2011 I wouldnt go much over 6-8psi honestly~ I would probably go around 6
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I would go with a twin screw vs a roots blower (they are different) and twin screw is much more efficient and makes more power per psi

on a 2011 I wouldnt go much over 6-8psi honestly~ I would probably go around 6
which company makes the twin screws?
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I would go with a twin screw vs a roots blower (they are different) and twin screw is much more efficient and makes more power per psi

on a 2011 I wouldnt go much over 6-8psi honestly~ I would probably go around 6
Unless you had forged low compression pistons They're only about $1000.
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A guy here has a roush supercharger pushing 9psi on stock 5.0 internals.
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A guy here has a roush supercharger pushing 9psi on stock 5.0 internals.
Right..Saying don't go over 6psi is a waste of money. Plenty of 5.0's are pushing 8-12psi easy. No issues. Its the guys that are pushing 13-16 I would be worried about. Some the kits come pushing 7-8 psi to begin with.


Forged internals will cost you about 1600 actually. That will lower your compression also if you want or can stay the same.

Rebacca Starkey's car has been running 9's and 10's on the stock block with a roush 2300 and so far no KB/Whipple has did that. She ran mid 10's with just the Roush/pulley/off road x pipe. Stock suspension. The Roush blower has really showed every one else up so far. PD and Centri. EVen the Turbo cars. Only cars that have beat her car is ones with fully built engines and bigger blowers. 3.6L KB/F1 prochargers.


Mods:Mustang with Roush 2.3L TVS Supercharger kit, VMP custom tune, stock engine, stock trans, and stock torque converter with exhaust & suspension mods.>>>>They have now went 9's.


So why waste more money one a KB/Whipple?
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Saw this today

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So according to this kenne bell is the way to go, or the whipple tuner kit
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So according to this kenne bell is the way to go, or the whipple tuner kit
Believe that if you want...There has to be a reason more people are going with the Roush when going with PD blowers.


If you want to make over 800whp I would say ya then go with the KB/whipple.
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Believe that if you want...There has to be a reason more people are going with the Roush when going with PD blowers.

If you want to make over 800whp I would say ya then go with the KB/whipple.
I believe u bro, just wish that guide would have been more accurate
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Unless you had forged low compression pistons They're only about $1000.
then add on installation and all the other headaches that may come with it ... can become a major pain. Why I got mine as it already has low compression and forged internals.

KB/Whipple vs a roots blower... the KB/Whipple are superior (design wise and power per psi etc etc) if people are running slower on worse designed units (root styles) then its other factors (super charger is to big, etc etc)
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then add on installation and all the other headaches that may come with it ... can become a major pain. Why I got mine as it already has low compression and forged internals.

KB/Whipple vs a roots blower... the KB/Whipple are superior (design wise and power per psi etc etc) if people are running slower on worse designed units (root styles) then its other factors (super charger is to big, etc etc)
power unlimited class 5.0 shoot out top 3 all centri blower cars. The same EVO car that went 8's with a F1 went 9's with a KB. SO they went back to the Procharger F1.

The Power Adder Unlimited Class from the Spring 5.0 Shootout - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

power adder street class won by a whipple car beating her out the whole but fastest time set by a roush car. 2 of the top 3 was Roush cars actaully. So where was all the KB/.Whipple cars.
The Power Adder Street Class from the Spring 5.0 Shootout - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

As said before if you want huge power 700-800whp from a PD blower go with a KB. If want a street car with 550-700whp go with the roush. Its cheaper and performing better.
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power unlimited class 5.0 shoot out top 3 all centri blower cars. The same EVO car that went 8's with a F1 went 9's with a KB. SO they went back to the Procharger F1.

The Power Adder Unlimited Class from the Spring 5.0 Shootout - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

power adder street class won by a whipple car beating her out the whole but fastest time set by a roush car. 2 of the top 3 was Roush cars actaully. So where was all the KB/.Whipple cars.
The Power Adder Street Class from the Spring 5.0 Shootout - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

As said before if you want huge power 700-800whp from a PD blower go with a KB. If want a street car with 550-700whp go with the roush. Its cheaper and performing better.
Good stuff bro!!!!

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power unlimited class 5.0 shoot out top 3 all centri blower cars. The same EVO car that went 8's with a F1 went 9's with a KB. SO they went back to the Procharger F1.

The Power Adder Unlimited Class from the Spring 5.0 Shootout - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

power adder street class won by a whipple car beating her out the whole but fastest time set by a roush car. 2 of the top 3 was Roush cars actaully. So where was all the KB/.Whipple cars.
The Power Adder Street Class from the Spring 5.0 Shootout - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

As said before if you want huge power 700-800whp from a PD blower go with a KB. If want a street car with 550-700whp go with the roush. Its cheaper and performing better.
Wait so question, u don't think the whipple is superior? It won 1st place, just saying.
U think the design of the roush is better right?
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Wait so question, u don't think the whipple is superior? It won 1st place, just saying.
U think the design of the roush is better right?
Look why it won first. They say he beat her out the whole. Look who has the fastest times. SHe did with her Roush car. Her car ran faster then his.
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Look why it won first. They say he beat her out the whole. Look who has the fastest times. SHe did with her Roush car. Her car ran faster then his.
Ahhhh got yah. Sorry I was reading it at work lol
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Ahhhh got yah. Sorry I was reading it at work lol
ALL Good. SHe had the top qualifying spot. She just got out drove.

Well really should say she got treed.
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Hey guys, an experience guy with superchargers need advice!
I had an estimate done in my 2011 gt 5.0, installer told me NOT TO use any type of Roots/twin screw blowers, to stay away as the heat soaked!, and that the way to go is a VORTECH V3 blower, which is better, safer on the engine and perfect for a person that does not race...my case, driving around only.

I have a 3.73 ratio, brembo, gt 5.0 with a STEEDA CAI and a 93 octane tune from SCT (STEEDA).
WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION? should I go with the vortech? how about the strud bar over the engine, will that affect in anyway if it is removed? since if I go with the ROOTS/twin screw if will have to be removed, correct?
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Hey guys, an experience guy with superchargers need advice!
I had an estimate done in my 2011 gt 5.0, installer told me NOT TO use any type of Roots/twin screw blowers, to stay away as the heat soaked!, and that the way to go is a VORTECH V3 blower, which is better, safer on the engine and perfect for a person that does not race...my case, driving around only.

I have a 3.73 ratio, brembo, gt 5.0 with a STEEDA CAI and a 93 octane tune from SCT (STEEDA).
WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION? should I go with the vortech? how about the strud bar over the engine, will that affect in anyway if it is removed? since if I go with the ROOTS/twin screw if will have to be removed, correct?
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There is ways around heat soak.

But a Vortech blower is great. I would go with a procharger instead. Or even the Paxton. They seem to make a little more power.

With the roots/TS blowers you can run a BMR strit tower brace. They all fit under it from what I seen. It will not fit under the stock one.

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also it will not effect anything.
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Hey guys, an experience guy with superchargers need advice!
I had an estimate done in my 2011 gt 5.0, installer told me NOT TO use any type of Roots/twin screw blowers, to stay away as the heat soaked!, and that the way to go is a VORTECH V3 blower, which is better, safer on the engine and perfect for a person that does not race...my case, driving around only.

I have a 3.73 ratio, brembo, gt 5.0 with a STEEDA CAI and a 93 octane tune from SCT (STEEDA).
WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION? should I go with the vortech? how about the strud bar over the engine, will that affect in anyway if it is removed? since if I go with the ROOTS/twin screw if will have to be removed, correct?
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Lol u already know my answer bro lol I know dan firmly believes in votech, I told u he'll try to talk u into it.
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I'm gonna let Somone else tell yah.
I would only go with that roush bro or the whipple.
Think of it this way the whipple is a ford racing part, if they were so bad y would ford use them. If I'm correct that's the same supercharger on the gt500!
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Lol u already know my answer bro lol I know dan firmly believes in votech, I told u he'll try to talk u into it.
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I'm gonna let Somone else tell yah.
I would only go with that roush bro or the whipple.
Think of it this way the whipple is a ford racing part, if they were so bad y would ford use them. If I'm correct that's the same supercharger on the gt500!
Hey man, cool to se you in here!
Yeap, he strongly recommends the VORTECH V3, I don't know much of this business, but I just don't like the looks of those blowers!
I will wait for more answers and do some research...as I am waiting to see what is going on with the new 2013 GT500 that will be shown in the L.A. Auto Show in mid November! It is just TOO MUCH MONEY, that is why I am looking at adding more power in my 5.0 and keep it!
Lets see.
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Hey man, cool to se you in here!
Yeap, he strongly recommends the VORTECH V3, I don't know much of this business, but I just don't like the looks of those blowers!
I will wait for more answers and do some research...as I am waiting to see what is going on with the new 2013 GT500 that will be shown in the L.A. Auto Show in mid November! It is just TOO MUCH MONEY, that is why I am looking at adding more power in my 5.0 and keep it!
Lets see.
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Brotha here's how I look at the gt 500, it's a great car but technologically is old, it's a older 5.4 motor, ur new 5.0 is the most modern engine and and very well made, I wouldn't trade that for a gt 500, ur car has more potential. Just the way I feel, maybe I'm wrong
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Hey guys, new to the forum here. I agree with Ken. I'm putting a blower on mine in spring and been researching a ton. Talked to lots of different people in the know. I'm goin with a roush tvs. Aside from people I talked to, just read in new motortrend gt500 is switching from eaton 112 to new eaton tvs. Same blower used in vette zr1, cts-v, and new camaro zl1. Seems to me that these top end cars use the tvs for a reason. In my opinion that would have to be efficiency and reliability as they sell these cars with warranty.
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So is anyone on the forum running with a vortech S/C (or Paxton, Procharger)?
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So is anyone on the forum running with a vortech S/C (or Paxton, Procharger)?
A lot of 3V's are running prochargers or have run prochargers.
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A lot of 3V's are running prochargers or have run prochargers.
I'm running a procharger on my 95 357
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