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Old 01-04-2012, 03:23 AM   #1
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AM Video~ Ign. Coil=10HP Increase

A quick FYI for all you lucky owners of the newer Mustang GT's.
They posted a video today regarding Accell's new coil replacements. Dyno run shown provided 10HP increase over stock ignition plug coils.
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Re: AM Video~ Ign. Coil=10HP Increase

I saw that video as well, and I'm a bit skeptical as to their results. The Dyno graph tells a more complete story than just a "10 HP gain," specifically that they appeared to lose A LOT of torque and HP at the bottom of the curve.

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On a side note ... did anyone else notice HOW MUCH OIL was on the PCV connector when they took the line off? Holy cow!


Edit: Here's a dyno sheet they posted on the product page that's a little more data and a lot less marketing pizazz. Looks like when they created the graphic in the video they messed it up (note in the video how the red/after line starts way low but this is not reflected in the actual dyno sheet).
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Oh, and BTW - they are $470!!!
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Re: AM Video~ Ign. Coil=10HP Increase

Hmmm... I was wondering when someone was going to release coils for the '11+ 5.0's. It's up there in price, but maybe what some are looking for in terms of a part/performance improvement.

Been looking at spark plug-replacements, as well.
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I have this set up ordered already. Should be hear next weeks actually. Heard nothing but good things
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Yeah... 470 bucks for 10 HP.... no thanks. I cannot believe that the AM 5.0 is still under 400 HP with a BOSS intake, JLT CAI, 90mm Throttle body,BAMA tune, and coils, ... seriously WTF??? 385 hp with all of that stuff and the car is as advertised STOCK 412 hp at the crank... c'mon now.... something ain't right here.
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Yeah... 470 bucks for 10 HP.... no thanks. I cannot believe that the AM 5.0 is still under 400 HP with a BOSS intake, JLT CAI, 90mm Throttle body,BAMA tune, and coils, ... seriously WTF??? 385 hp with all of that stuff and the car is as advertised STOCK 412 hp at the crank... c'mon now.... something ain't right here.
Im pretty sure that isn't their 5.0 project car. Theirs is almost full bolt on with NOS and runs 10s. It also looks a lot different from the one in the video.

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Im pretty sure that isn't their 5.0 project car. Theirs is almost full bolt on with NOS and runs 10s. It also looks a lot different from the one in the video.

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Regardless.......... with all of the boltons that car had.... what I listed. It should have been well into the 400 range and I find it discouraging that it is not even close.
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Regardless.......... with all of the boltons that car had.... what I listed. It should have been well into the 400 range and I find it discouraging that it is not even close.
Go buy a blower n make some power
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I really don't see coils netting you a 10hp increase!... Maybe more like 3-5hp if that!..
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Go buy a blower n make some power
Not trying to be argumentative here, but may be I am not clearly stating my issue.

Ford CLAIMS 412hp on the 2011 5.0 Coyote v8. Reality is more like 320-340 on a dyno....... that is almost a 100 hp difference.

So a Tuner and tune costs 380.00, plus a BOSS intake 500.00 (complete) plus a 90MM Throttle body for 479.00 plus a JLT CAI for 350.00, plus the coils for 470.00.... so for the bargain price of 2179 Dollars of after market bolt ons I am still no where near what Ford claims the 5.0 makes STOCK. That video on here is a SHAME, 2179.00 in aftermarket bolt ons and the 5.0 is only making 385/333... are you kidding me????
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Not trying to be argumentative here, but may be I am not clearly stating my issue.

Ford CLAIMS 412hp on the 2011 5.0 Coyote v8. Reality is more like 320-340 on a dyno....... that is almost a 100 hp difference.

So a Tuner and tune costs 380.00, plus a BOSS intake 500.00 (complete) plus a 90MM Throttle body for 479.00 plus a JLT CAI for 350.00, plus the coils for 470.00.... so for the bargain price of 2179 Dollars of after market bolt ons I am still no where near what Ford claims the 5.0 makes STOCK. That video on here is a SHAME, 2179.00 in aftermarket bolt ons and the 5.0 is only making 385/333... are you kidding me????
Lol any Car Manufacture in the world is the same. When they tell you a HP number it's either engine or crank it depends. And it's actually closer to around 350 rwhp. There are a ton of guys with full bolt ons makin 410 + rwhp. Also depends in the dyno they use.
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Not trying to be argumentative here, but may be I am not clearly stating my issue.

Ford CLAIMS 412hp on the 2011 5.0 Coyote v8. Reality is more like 320-340 on a dyno....... that is almost a 100 hp difference.

So a Tuner and tune costs 380.00, plus a BOSS intake 500.00 (complete) plus a 90MM Throttle body for 479.00 plus a JLT CAI for 350.00, plus the coils for 470.00.... so for the bargain price of 2179 Dollars of after market bolt ons I am still no where near what Ford claims the 5.0 makes STOCK. That video on here is a SHAME, 2179.00 in aftermarket bolt ons and the 5.0 is only making 385/333... are you kidding me????
Also weather, transmission and gears play into affect. You must not have read the article in mm&ff where tey dynoed the coyote crate motor and made almost 450 withit stock.
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Also weather, transmission and gears play into affect. You must not have read the article in mm&ff where tey dynoed the coyote crate motor and made almost 450 withit stock.
Exactly. So the HP ford claims is crank. And it's fairly accurate
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Lol any Car Manufacture in the world is the same. When they tell you a HP number it's either engine or crank it depends. And it's actually closer to around 350 rwhp. There are a ton of guys with full bolt ons makin 410 + rwhp. Also depends in the dyno they use.

Not so much..... May be that Euro standards for measuring are different than American or Asian, but BMW claimed my M3 made 414hp, on a dyno ... stock it made 417. Same goes with Porsche, Mercedes and Audi. The numbers they claim are what they actually produce and if anything... they are modest on the low end.

Ford would still have sold a butt load of the 5.0's even had they not exaggerated the HP numbers so much. This all being said I LOVE my 5.0 WAY more than I did the M3 or anything European I currently own or owned in the past.
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Exactly. So the HP ford claims is crank. And it's fairly accurate
That motor made 36 more hp than ford claims.
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Also weather, transmission and gears play into affect. You must not have read the article in mm&ff where tey dynoed the coyote crate motor and made almost 450 withit stock.

I saw a video on you tube where dynoe'd the engine alone to the tune of 759 HP.... this was before the production engine went into fab though.
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Not so much..... May be that Euro standards for measuring are different than American or Asian, but BMW claimed my M3 made 414hp, on a dyno ... stock it made 417. Same goes with Porsche, Mercedes and Audi. The numbers they claim are what they actually produce and if anything... they are modest on the low end.

Ford would still have sold a butt load of the 5.0's even had they not exaggerated the HP numbers so much. This all being said I LOVE my 5.0 WAY more than I did the M3 or anything European I currently own or owned in the past.
Your car must have been a factory freak because I don't see anyone else posting those numbers after a quick search.
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Not so much..... May be that Euro standards for measuring are different than American or Asian, but BMW claimed my M3 made 414hp, on a dyno ... stock it made 417. Same goes with Porsche, Mercedes and Audi. The numbers they claim are what they actually produce and if anything... they are modest on the low end.

Ford would still have sold a butt load of the 5.0's even had they not exaggerated the HP numbers so much. This all being said I LOVE my 5.0 WAY more than I did the M3 or anything European I currently own or owned in the past.
Ford didn't exaggerate the HP numbers. As far as I know, car manufacturers have always quoted HP and torque numbers at the crank, not at the wheels (at least in the US). Idk if European companies quote them differently.
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Ford didn't exaggerate the HP numbers. As far as I know, car manufacturers have always quoted HP and torque numbers at the crank, not at the wheels (at least in the US). Idk if European companies quote them differently.

Me neither, I know my M3 was stock and we went on a group trip to Hamann Motorsport and I used their dyno and my numbers were 417/296. Bmw claims 414/295.
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Me neither, I know my M3 was stock and we went on a group trip to Hamann Motorsport and I used their dyno and my numbers were 417/296. Bmw claims 414/295.
Could very well be that the higher end Car Manufactures spend the time and dyno the cars. But Ford defiantly gives crank estimates
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Me neither, I know my M3 was stock and we went on a group trip to Hamann Motorsport and I used their dyno and my numbers were 417/296. Bmw claims 414/295.
What kind of dyno? Anyone dyno numbers don't mean **** track times is where it's at.
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European standards are different than American standards!.. I remember back when the Veyron first came out, 1,001 hp in the same article states that American standards that is more like 990 hp!.. And besides, all a dyno is really good for is to show what your mods have or have not done!.. Real world track numbers is what mater most!..
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European standards are different than American standards!.. I remember back when the Veyron first came out, 1,001 hp in the same article states that American standards that is more like 990 hp!.. And besides, all a dyno is really good for is to show what your mods have or have not done!.. Real world track numbers is what mater most!..
You are correct, there is a difference.... HP/PS numbers Our Horsepower (HP) rating is stronger than the European Pferde Starke (PS) therefore our ratings are lower than Germans. Using the M3 for example. German PS Standard was 420 whereas the US HP is 414. As far as track numbers go..... both the M3 and 5.0 have been extensively tracked and both are stellar performers.

I believe that German Standard HP/PS ratings are measured from the ground up, not from the engine down. So a sticker or stat that claims a German car to have so and so much HP.... that is actually what it is putting on the ground. The 612 HP Porsche GT2 is actually putting 612 hp to the wheels.
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You are correct, there is a difference.... HP/PS numbers Our Horsepower (HP) rating is stronger than the European Pferde Starke (PS) therefore our ratings are lower than Germans. Using the M3 for example. German PS Standard was 420 whereas the US HP is 414. As far as track numbers go..... both the M3 and 5.0 have been extensively tracked and both are stellar performers.

I believe that German Standard HP/PS ratings are measured from the ground up, not from the engine down. So a sticker or stat that claims a German car to have so and so much HP.... that is actually what it is putting on the ground. The 612 HP Porsche GT2 is actually putting 612 hp to the wheels.
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my bone stock '11 GT 6 speed was dynode at 373 RWHP. Ford is actually under rating the engines.
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414 HP X 15% DRIVE TRAIN LOSS = 352
MOST NEW 5.0's are dynod around 360 + stock , good numbers , i've seem some around 370 too
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Awesome information. You guys have super fantastic cars none the less. Very informative. I want one. I'm on my way to a new job interview within the hour. I want one. I usually get what ever I want if I want it bad enough. If all turns out well, something special should be coming down the road.
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my bone stock '11 GT 6 speed was dynode at 373 RWHP. Ford is actually under rating the engines.


OK to further emphasize my point........ If the Mustang dyno'd at 373 STOCK... then surely with a BOSS intake, a Bama race tune, a FR 90mm Throttle body, and JLT CAI and the coil packs... it should be SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the 384/333 the car in the video dyno'd at.

I am calling PARTY FOUL and BULL SHEET!!!!!

Hell they have a video where the damn CAI, Tune and Boss intake made more than 60 HP alone.
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My friend had his dynoed at street machine nationals and put down 376 I think it was w only flowmaster 40 series mufflers(not axlebacks)
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OK to further emphasize my point........ If the Mustang dyno'd at 373 STOCK... then surely with a BOSS intake, a Bama race tune, a FR 90mm Throttle body, and JLT CAI and the coil packs... it should be SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the 384/333 the car in the video dyno'd at.

I am calling PARTY FOUL and BULL SHEET!!!!!

Hell they have a video where the damn CAI, Tune and Boss intake made more than 60 HP alone.
You're talking peak horsepower numbers, my man. It's an Automatic, too - so take that and the 4.10 gears into consideration. The numbers are right in line, and the curve gains from factory are over 60hp. We have tons of dyno videos that you can take a look at. A factory automatic 2011 GT will dyno somewhere in the ballpark of 344RWHP and as low as 300-310RWTQ on a Dynojet SAE corrected. If there's 93 in the tank on a stock tune, you can make something like 350-355 and maybe 310-320RWTQ. This is in 4th gear (keep in mind there's no 1:1, so thats like .87 ratio - losing power there).

Now, considering that - 384-344 is a 40RWHP PEAK gain, no to mention over 60RWHPHP gains in the curve. 333-310 is 23RWTQ PEAK gains, and well over 35RWTQ gains throughout the curve. Also, this is with the Boss intake manifold that you actually LOSE horsepower and torque throughout 0-5500RPM, which is why the Boss is rated at less HP than the GT from the factory.

Our numbers are spot on when you consider that.

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I saw that video as well, and I'm a bit skeptical as to their results. The Dyno graph tells a more complete story than just a "10 HP gain," specifically that they appeared to lose A LOT of torque and HP at the bottom of the curve.

Here is a link to the video:


On a side note ... did anyone else notice HOW MUCH OIL was on the PCV connector when they took the line off? Holy cow!


Edit: Here's a dyno sheet they posted on the product page that's a little more data and a lot less marketing pizazz. Looks like when they created the graphic in the video they messed it up (note in the video how the red/after line starts way low but this is not reflected in the actual dyno sheet).
This is our 2011 GT project car, just stripped down for product video. We are now building it back up again! We went back to stock everything with the 2011 GT and did exhaust sound clip videos, and then CAI/Tuner videos, and now this video. Now we can build the car back up for 9's!

That's probably why it's got a ton of blow-by. We've beat up the car for 2 years now from day 1 not even letting it break in before hitting the track in 1 day, 100's of dyno runs, 100's of track passes, low-10's, and 150+ shots of nitrous on it all day long, all of the R&D we've used it for! It's a workhorse, but we're kicking it's ***, LOL.

Looks like our video guy didn't trace the graph right in the low area. That needs to be fixed. Thanks for the heads up!

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This is our 2011 GT project car, just stripped down for product video. We are now building it back up again! We went back to stock everything with the 2011 GT and did exhaust sound clip videos, and then CAI/Tuner videos, and now this video. Now we can build the car back up for 9's!
Sweet, can you give us any hints as to what your plans are for getting into the 9s?

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That's probably why it's got a ton of blow-by. We've beat up the car for 2 years now from day 1 not even letting it break in before hitting the track in 1 day, 100's of dyno runs, 100's of track passes, low-10's, and 150+ shots of nitrous on it all day long, all of the R&D we've used it for! It's a workhorse, but we're kicking it's ***, LOL.
Yeah, that would do it. Were you running an oil separator on it before? Do you plan to add one for this build?

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Looks like our video guy didn't trace the graph right in the low area. That needs to be fixed. Thanks for the heads up!

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NP ... It was a lot more clear looking at the dyno sheet than the graph in the video so that's why I posted it. The million dollar question for me is, are these that good or are the stock coil packs that bad? Seems to me that 10 HP is a LOT to gain from coil packs! Also, do you think you would see the same gains on a stock 5.0, and would these scale up with supporting mods (more air and more fuel)?
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Sweet, can you give us any hints as to what your plans are for getting into the 9s?



Yeah, that would do it. Were you running an oil separator on it before? Do you plan to add one for this build?



NP ... It was a lot more clear looking at the dyno sheet than the graph in the video so that's why I posted it. The million dollar question for me is, are these that good or are the stock coil packs that bad? Seems to me that 10 HP is a LOT to gain from coil packs! Also, do you think you would see the same gains on a stock 5.0, and would these scale up with supporting mods (more air and more fuel)?
We're probably going to go bigger on the nitrous (200 shot), and add a converter. That should get us from 10.43 down to maybe 9.7-9.9 I'm hoping!

We were running an oil separator on it before, and I think we'll definitely keep it on there. It was probably working pretty hard over the last few months, LOL.

The stock coils are good, and they'll support 750-800HP with no issues. Probably even a little more than that. I just think that there's always a little bit of room for better/cleaner combustion. 4-5 peak horsepower was expected, and I was thinking through the curve we'd see 6-8RWHP/TQ. 10 and 9 were a shock to me, but there was no tricks, we did it back-to-back with no tune changes. We even did multiple runs with the car, and the curve was nearly identical each run, so it wasn't a "freak run" or something. I'm impressed, especially for the lack of work that's involved on the install. I would think that a stock 5.0 would be closer to the 4-8RWHP/TQ number and a highly modded 5.0 probably is going to see the same thing that we saw - maybe 10RWHP or so.

I want to test our V6 back-to-back with the coils. Our V6 has a procharger on 12 PSI, so it would be interesting to see the gains highly modded and then put them on a stock V6 to see the difference in gains.
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Not so much..... May be that Euro standards for measuring are different than American or Asian, but BMW claimed my M3 made 414hp, on a dyno ... stock it made 417. Same goes with Porsche, Mercedes and Audi. The numbers they claim are what they actually produce and if anything... they are modest on the low end.

Ford would still have sold a butt load of the 5.0's even had they not exaggerated the HP numbers so much. This all being said I LOVE my 5.0 WAY more than I did the M3 or anything European I currently own or owned in the past.
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You are correct, there is a difference.... HP/PS numbers Our Horsepower (HP) rating is stronger than the European Pferde Starke (PS) therefore our ratings are lower than Germans. Using the M3 for example. German PS Standard was 420 whereas the US HP is 414. As far as track numbers go..... both the M3 and 5.0 have been extensively tracked and both are stellar performers.

I believe that German Standard HP/PS ratings are measured from the ground up, not from the engine down. So a sticker or stat that claims a German car to have so and so much HP.... that is actually what it is putting on the ground. The 612 HP Porsche GT2 is actually putting 612 hp to the wheels.
They do not do it different. The BMW is rated at the crank. And when you put it on a dyno you can read enngine power and whp. Its all what they tell you. If the M3 was making 414whp it would run better then it does in the 1/4 mile. The 5.0 is rated at 412hp at the crank. The one that they just did on TV that made 450 was with no load on the engine and lack of cats and exhaust on it.

Also a auto will dyno a lot lower then a manual its just facts. With the mods they have on the car and fact its an auto is right in line. If it was a manual car you will see it a little over 400whp.

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Also the GT2 is rated at the crank not the wheels.

I am so right I will bet money on it.

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Ford didn't exaggerate the HP numbers. As far as I know, car manufacturers have always quoted HP and torque numbers at the crank, not at the wheels (at least in the US). Idk if European companies quote them differently.
They all go by crank hp. Not whp.
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