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Old 04-22-2012, 06:39 PM   #1
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Ears the trans in the 2012 gt is made in china and has a max torque rating of 375 ft/lb torque rating. Is this true? I know the gt500 has the tremec, but the gt has the "getrag" trans. Same company that makes trans for the Toyota supra. True?
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Ears the trans in the 2012 gt is made in china and has a max torque rating of 375 ft/lb torque rating. Is this true? I know the gt500 has the tremec, but the gt has the "getrag" trans. Same company that makes trans for the Toyota supra. True?
Nope, it's rated for 380. Stock engine is, conservatively, rated at 390.
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Nope, it's rated for 380. Stock engine is, conservatively, rated at 390.
Ohh.. Well still, why not put the tremec standard? How expensive is it to swap?
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Ohh.. Well still, why not put the tremec standard? How expensive is it to swap?
Nobody knows, probably to save money. Swap is expensive ... $6-8k for a T56 mag and everything required (bellhousing, driveshaft, crossmember).
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Nobody knows, probably to save money. Swap is expensive ... $6-8k for a T56 mag and everything required (bellhousing, driveshaft, crossmember).
Thanks, I'm gonna look into that. I hate this trans. Already giving me problems.
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Thanks, I'm gonna look into that. I hate this trans. Already giving me problems.
Might want to look up JPC, they have done a swap already IIRC.
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What kind of problems?
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What kind of problems are you having? Mine is an early build 2011 and I have 19,000 problem free miles
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:39 AM   #9
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It's not going into gear, skip shifting (that can be deactivated though) and once, this has nothing to do with tranny, but the car was running rough and the wrench light was on, so I tried to get it back to the house and when waiting for the garage to open It died. Turned it back on and it was fine.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:07 AM   #10
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Another should have bought an auto.
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Another should have bought an auto.
I know it's been suggested before, but I'm seriously starting to believe that the auto manufacturers are intentionally making it terrible to own a manual car so that we will all have to buy autos. I wonder how many more people have to report issues before the "MT82 Truthers" will stop denying there are problems.

Anyways OP, you can take your car back to the dealership for service since there are multiple TSBs out for the MT82, but not many people have reported luck with the Ford fixes. Many people have had good luck changing to a different fluid in the trans. I use AMSOil, but I don't recommend it if you drive in cold weather since it still shifts like crap and has a hard time going into 1st when it's below 60-70 degrees. It's butter smooth when it's warm though, which is fine by me since my stang is a nice weather car.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:56 PM   #12
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I love the way my manual shifts. I have a 03/12 build date. But I've only put 6k miles on her in the last yr. Knock on wood. I guess. I'd pick a different car if I had to go with an automatic.
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19000km problem free.... When its cold its alittle clunky but when warm....shifts as smooth as butter
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I love the way my manual shifts. I have a 03/12 build date. But I've only put 6k miles on her in the last yr. Knock on wood. I guess. I'd pick a different car if I had to go with an automatic.
What...different car why?
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Probably go with a Charger if I had to go auto. Only because I have kids and the extra doors would be the trade off.
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Probably go with a Charger if I had to go auto. Only because I have kids and the extra doors would be the trade off.
SRT8's turn me off cause of price and no tuning. And I would not settle for an RT. Biggest reason is no tuning.
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Big reason for me is just...big. That's a freaking huge boat, that Charger and, it weighs about the same as star R136a1.
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Are the Charger RT's too heavy and slow yes. And the SRT is way over priced but it drives very nice.....for a four door. Either way I have my 12' GT manual and I love it. No new vehicle for me for a couple years.
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Re: Crappy trans

my 12 has never ever tried to make me skip a shift EVER.... not sure what you all are doing to make it want you to do so but.... it must be something VERY odd and unusual.

they are not the strongest trans in the world, even if the same company used to make the ones for the supra doe snot mean these are just as good/strong. The 2nd gear in mine is notchy but other than that its not bad.... nothing like my T-56 though it feels much firmer overall (but it doenst have a linkage)
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my 12 has never ever tried to make me skip a shift EVER.... not sure what you all are doing to make it want you to do so but.... it must be something VERY odd and unusual.
Mine would do it every time I revved to 2k or so in 1st gear. I have heard a few reports of the solenoid being unplugged from the factory, have you checked to see if it's hooked up? I think putting it in sport mode/advancetrac off will defeat skip shift too ... so if you drive in those modes more often that not you might not see it.
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I thought the same(it wouldn't skip shift if in sport mode/advance Trac off) but still did it. I've notice it doesn't do it when cold tho.

Also, my dealer told me to drive it like a granny for the break in period and the tranny would be bullet proof. It's broke in now and the tranny hasn't shown any signs of trouble.
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Mine's in the shop now, supercharger-like whining just started out of nowhere and about 3000 kilometers, now at 5000 and it's not got any better so, surgery is required. No problems with the dealer response so far.

Nothing out of the ordinary on break-in by me. change gears often, don't cruise the highway, basic stuff. It was late Dec. when I took delivery so, hooning around wasn't really an option on the summer-only Pirellis.
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Sounds like it's hit or miss with these cars...
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Sounds like it's hit or miss with these cars...
Yep..glad I got rid of my manual..
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Sounds like it's hit or miss with these cars...
It is. Some are fine, some grenade for no reason.
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Mine's in the shop now, supercharger-like whining just started out of nowhere and about 3000 kilometers, now at 5000 and it's not got any better so, surgery is required. No problems with the dealer response so far.

Nothing out of the ordinary on break-in by me. change gears often, don't cruise the highway, basic stuff. It was late Dec. when I took delivery so, hooning around wasn't really an option on the summer-only Pirellis.
I have tht supercharger whine too on mine... Ddnt know that was bad
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It's bad when it starts for no reason out on nowhere and it wasn't there before. It needs to be quite loud for Ford to accept it as an issue. if you can drown it with the radio on a low setting, Ford will likely say its fine.

Bottom line is this, having got a touch of experience with this stuff:

Trans whines like this (on multiple gears) are caused generally by a change in the relationship of the countershaft and the mainshaft. The only reason that would change, typically is if the bearings on either shaft were starting to get slack or have play. They should have little to none, as the gears are helical (for reduced noise, har!) and need a solid relationship to mesh and stay meshed properly.

Left unaddressed, the eventual outcome will likely be more noise, as the gears wear unevenly and change the relationship further between main and countershaft gears. It could also have other consequences if it get really bad, like shifting issues, vibration or even trans lockup.
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Yep..glad I got rid of my manual..
I can't bring myself to want an auto, they are almost problemless, faster shifting than any person can be with a manual, yet I love manuals , always have and they are just fun!
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I can't bring myself to want an auto, they are almost problemless, faster shifting than any person can be with a manual, yet I love manuals , always have and they are just fun!
The only Auto I would ever buy is the Lexus IS-F. That transmission is top notch. I had one for the weekend and didn't want to return it. I let my buddy drive it and he was neck and neck with me in my 11 GT 3.73's, just Axelbacks
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I can't bring myself to want an auto, they are almost problemless, faster shifting than any person can be with a manual, yet I love manuals , always have and they are just fun!
This ain't true on the factory tuning for the auto. This isn't some Ferrari sequential with 16 m/s shifting. it's still a juice box and you need to tune it to snap up the shifts to manual trans speeds.

Anyway, th pushback has started for me, with the tech claiming the noise is "normal" after the previous tech at the initial test identified it as "too loud" for normal. Plus they tried to tell me my shift knob change was an "aftermarket shifter" and that would amplify the noise. Negotiations continue.
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This ain't true on the factory tuning for the auto. This isn't some Ferrari sequential with 16 m/s shifting. it's still a juice box and you need to tune it to snap up the shifts to manual trans speeds.
Agreed ... they come off the line tuned for "normal" people who are doing "everyday driving." If you're even thinking about when your automatic trans shifts, then you're definitely in the minority. I had an automatic 4.0 and getting the shift points changed and firmed up really made it a different car, but I totally understand why they don't ship them like this.

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Anyway, th pushback has started for me, with the tech claiming the noise is "normal" after the previous tech at the initial test identified it as "too loud" for normal. Plus they tried to tell me my shift knob change was an "aftermarket shifter" and that would amplify the noise. Negotiations continue.
Man that sucks. I don't know why Ford is treating their customers like this! If they are pushing back I would just stop dealing with them and go right to the corporate Ford Customer Service.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:35 PM   #32
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Ford dealer delivered verdict: "Normal"

This despite the fact they previously said it wasn't and the problem started magically at 3000 kilometers and wasn't there before.

They offered to arrange for a "second opinion" at another Ford dealer which I'll certainly be taking them up on. This other dealer has more Mustangs on the lot and is a Roush dealer so perhaps they'll be more familiar with "normal" for Mustangs.
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So, in the spirit of a last appeal to reason I went to pick up the car today
and said my piece, rationally and reasonably. The owner of the dealership
talked to me, we went out for a ride and he agrees there's a noise there.
They are now seeking Ford's permission to rip into the box and find the
fault, which is alot different story than I got this morning. Hope springs
eternal that we'll see a resolution to this issue.
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